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Ian8383

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Creationists Point to Huge Holes in Evolution "Theory"
Written by: Robert Congelliere
Tags: Evolution
Difficulty: Intermediate
In Time magazine, August 23, 1999, evolutionist Stephen Jay Gould asserted that "evolution is as well documented as any phenomenon in science" and "we can call evolution a ‘fact.’" This is typical of the stratagem used by evolutionists: If you make a statement strong enough and repeat it often enough, you may be able to convince yourself and others that it may be true. Yet, despite their dogmatism, there are many knowledgeable people who do not believe that the evidence supports the theory of evolution.
Fossils disprove evolution
One of the most powerful pieces of evidence against evolution is the fossil record. If evolution occurred by slow, minute changes in living creatures, there would be thousands of times more transitional forms of these creatures in the fossil beds than complete forms. Since the billions of fossils that have been found are all complete forms, the obvious conclusion is: Evolution never occurred! Though evolutionists have stated that there are many transitional forms, this is simply not true. What evolutionists claim to be transitional forms all have fully functional parts. A true transitional form would have non-functioning parts or appendages, such as the nub of a leg or wing.
Where are the trillions of fossils of such true transitional forms? Critics often say that creationism is simply religion, whereas evolutionism is based on science. The Bible states in Genesis I that all creatures reproduce "after their kind" (no change to another kind, i.e., no transitional forms). So the complete absence of transitional forms in the fossil record supports creationism. Is this scientific evidence for creationism, or isn’t it?
Too many questions and no answers
It can also be noted that evolutionists only discuss this subject in the broadest terms. If evolution is true, why don’t they give us answers to our many questions?
Where did all the 90-plus elements (iron, barium, calcium, silver, nickel, neon, chlorine, etc.) come from? How was it determined how many bonds each element would have for combining with other elements?
How do you explain the precision in the design of the elements, with increasing numbers of electrons in orbit around the nucleus?
Where did the thousands of compounds we find in the world come from—carbon dioxide, sodium chloride, calcium hydroxide, hydrochloric acid, oxalic acid, chlorophyll, sucrose, hydrogen sulfide, benzene, aluminum silicate, mercaptans, propane, silicon dioxide, boric acid, etc.? When did these compounds develop from the elements—before the big bang, during the big bang, after the big bang? When evolutionists use the term "matter," which of the thousands of compounds is included? When evolutionists use the term "primordial soup," which of the elements and compounds is included?
Why do books on evolution, including grade school, high school and college textbooks, not include such important, basic information? Evolutionists are masters of speculation; why don’t they speculate about this?
Life from non-life
How did life develop from non-life?
Where did the human emotions, such as love, hate and jealousy, come from?
What are the odds that the evolutionary process, proceeding by random changes, would produce human beings, plus millions of species of animals, birds, fish and insects, all with symmetrical features, i.e., one side being a mirror image of the other? We take symmetry in all these creatures for granted, but is that a reasonable outcome for a random process?
Spontaneous reproduction
What are the odds that, of the millions of species of animals, birds, fish and insects, a male of each species developed at the same time and in the same place as a female of the same species, so that the species could propagate? Why are there two sexes anyhow? This is not foreordained in the evolutionary framework. Is there some sort of plan here? If the first generation of mating species didn’t have parents, how did the mating pair get to that point? Isn’t evolution supposed to progress when an offspring of a mating pair has a beneficial mutation?
Conclusion: No parents, no evolution. A species would have to jump from a primitive form to a fully developed male and female, each with the ability and instinct to mate.
Organ development
How did the heart, lungs, stomach, veins, blood, kidneys, etc. develop in the first animal by slow, minute steps and the animal survive while these changes were occurring? For example, did the first animal develop 10 percent of complete veins, then 20 percent, and on up to 100 percent, with veins throughout its entire body and brain? Then how did the heart slowly develop in the animal and get attached to the veins in the right spot? How did the blood enter the system? The blood could not enter before the veins were complete or it would spill out. Where did the blood come from? Did the blood have red corpuscles, white corpuscles, platelets and plasma? At what point in this process of development did the heart start beating?
Did the animal develop a partial stomach, then a complete stomach? After the stomach was formed, how did the digestive juices enter the stomach? Where did the hydrochloric acid as part of the digestive juices come from? What about its kidney and bladder? The animal better not eat anything prior to this.
How did the animal survive during these changes (and over thousands of years)? Of course, at the same time, the animal’s eyes must be fully developed so it can see its food, and its brain must be fully developed so the animal can control its body to get to the food. Like the heart, brain, veins and stomach, all of the organs and systems in the first animal’s body must be fully functional in the first moments of life.
The preceding points indicate that evolution couldn’t occur, and the fossil record indicates that it didn’t occur! In other words, if you cannot come up with a detailed, feasible scenario of how the first animal developed, the whole evolutionary theory goes out the window, because it never even could have gotten started. Or is your attitude going to be: Don’t bother me with such details; my mind is made up.
Misleading textbooks
Why do books on evolution, including biology textbooks, always start with a fully developed animal when attempting to explain how one species developed into another species? Why don’t evolutionists first explain how the first animal developed (an animal with a heart, lungs, brain, stomach, etc.)?
What are the odds that the evolutionary process, proceeding by random changes, would produce a system in human reproduction whereby exactly 50 percent of offspring are male and 50 percent are female (based on 50 percent X-chromosomes and 50 percent Y-chromosomes)? Again, is there some sort of plan here?
To a creationist, the incredible complexity of human life, plant life and the universe is absolutely overwhelming evidence that there must have been a designer. Additional evidence for a designer: The law of gravity is basic to an understanding of the universe.
Where did the law of gravity come from? Did it have a beginning? Isn’t it reasonable to assume that when matter was created, the law of gravity was established at the same time to regulate matter? Further evidence: The earth receives an incredible amount of energy from the sun, even though the sun is 93,000,000 miles away. Yet the earth only receives one part in two trillion of the sun’s total energy. And since the sun is only an average star among the 100 trillion billion stars in the universe, the total energy in all these stars is absolutely beyond human comprehension. (It has been written that the number of stars is greater than the number of grains of sand in every beach and desert in the world!)
Where did this energy come from? Isn’t the only reasonable answer that it was the result of a creative act by an almighty designer/creator?
Evolution—A solution by default
Why do evolutionists summarily dismiss the evidence of design without any serious consideration? Professor D.M.S. Watson, zoologist and Chair of Evolution at University College London, has given us some insight as to why this is so. He said, "Evolution [is] a theory universally accepted not because it can be proved by logically coherent evidence to be true, but because the only alternative, special creation, is clearly incredible." This, of course, is an admission that the foundation of evolution is not science, but a rejection of the supernatural. Evolution then is simply the best alternative anyone has been able to come up with. This also means that evolution is the only field in science where one decides on the answer first, and then looks for evidence to support that predetermined answer.
Other than rejection of the supernatural, how else can one explain the steadfast adherence of evolutionists to this theory even though they do not know the origin of the three main bases of evolution: the origin of matter, the origin of energy and the origin of life?
Truth or dare
If you believe in evolution, can you give just one coercive proof, i.e., a proof that absolutely eliminates any other possible explanation for the origin of the universe, the material world, and human life?
Isn’t it true that, rather than "proofs" of evolution, all that evolutionists can come up with are "evidences" for evolution to someone who already believes in it?
Let’s see some answers to important questions such as these posed in this article, rather than a discussion of what is science and what is religion. That type of discussion is entirely irrelevant. What we seek is the truth, and creationism is a far more reasonable and logical explanation of the origin of the universe, the material world and human life.
NOTE TO STUDENTS: Make a copy of this challenge to evolutionists and ask your teacher or professor to give you answers to these questions. If they cannot, you have a right to be skeptical that what they are teaching about evolution is true. Also, give copies to your fellow students so that they, too, will be aware that there are huge flaws in the theory of evolution. It is still a theory, not a "fact.
Also read the books of Carl Werner called Evolution the Grand Experiment this bloke work on the fossil records for years.......................Also to who ever said that christian believed the world was flat????????? Read the BIBLE it tells you the world is ROUND or more specifically......."It is he [God] that sitteth upon the circle [sphere] of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers…"
(Isaiah 40:22).

 
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Ian8383

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#22
Creationists Point to Huge Holes in Evolution "Theory"
Written by: Robert Congelliere
Tags: Evolution
Difficulty: Intermediate
In Time magazine, August 23, 1999, evolutionist Stephen Jay Gould asserted that "evolution is as well documented as any phenomenon in science" and "we can call evolution a ‘fact.’" This is typical of the stratagem used by evolutionists: If you make a statement strong enough and repeat it often enough, you may be able to convince yourself and others that it may be true. Yet, despite their dogmatism, there are many knowledgeable people who do not believe that the evidence supports the theory of evolution.
Fossils disprove evolution
One of the most powerful pieces of evidence against evolution is the fossil record. If evolution occurred by slow, minute changes in living creatures, there would be thousands of times more transitional forms of these creatures in the fossil beds than complete forms. Since the billions of fossils that have been found are all complete forms, the obvious conclusion is: Evolution never occurred! Though evolutionists have stated that there are many transitional forms, this is simply not true. What evolutionists claim to be transitional forms all have fully functional parts. A true transitional form would have non-functioning parts or appendages, such as the nub of a leg or wing.
Where are the trillions of fossils of such true transitional forms? Critics often say that creationism is simply religion, whereas evolutionism is based on science. The Bible states in Genesis I that all creatures reproduce "after their kind" (no change to another kind, i.e., no transitional forms). So the complete absence of transitional forms in the fossil record supports creationism. Is this scientific evidence for creationism, or isn’t it?
Too many questions and no answers
It can also be noted that evolutionists only discuss this subject in the broadest terms. If evolution is true, why don’t they give us answers to our many questions?
Where did all the 90-plus elements (iron, barium, calcium, silver, nickel, neon, chlorine, etc.) come from? How was it determined how many bonds each element would have for combining with other elements?
How do you explain the precision in the design of the elements, with increasing numbers of electrons in orbit around the nucleus?
Where did the thousands of compounds we find in the world come from—carbon dioxide, sodium chloride, calcium hydroxide, hydrochloric acid, oxalic acid, chlorophyll, sucrose, hydrogen sulfide, benzene, aluminum silicate, mercaptans, propane, silicon dioxide, boric acid, etc.? When did these compounds develop from the elements—before the big bang, during the big bang, after the big bang? When evolutionists use the term "matter," which of the thousands of compounds is included? When evolutionists use the term "primordial soup," which of the elements and compounds is included?
Why do books on evolution, including grade school, high school and college textbooks, not include such important, basic information? Evolutionists are masters of speculation; why don’t they speculate about this?
Life from non-life
How did life develop from non-life?
Where did the human emotions, such as love, hate and jealousy, come from?
What are the odds that the evolutionary process, proceeding by random changes, would produce human beings, plus millions of species of animals, birds, fish and insects, all with symmetrical features, i.e., one side being a mirror image of the other? We take symmetry in all these creatures for granted, but is that a reasonable outcome for a random process?
Spontaneous reproduction
What are the odds that, of the millions of species of animals, birds, fish and insects, a male of each species developed at the same time and in the same place as a female of the same species, so that the species could propagate? Why are there two sexes anyhow? This is not foreordained in the evolutionary framework. Is there some sort of plan here? If the first generation of mating species didn’t have parents, how did the mating pair get to that point? Isn’t evolution supposed to progress when an offspring of a mating pair has a beneficial mutation?
Conclusion: No parents, no evolution. A species would have to jump from a primitive form to a fully developed male and female, each with the ability and instinct to mate.
Organ development
How did the heart, lungs, stomach, veins, blood, kidneys, etc. develop in the first animal by slow, minute steps and the animal survive while these changes were occurring? For example, did the first animal develop 10 percent of complete veins, then 20 percent, and on up to 100 percent, with veins throughout its entire body and brain? Then how did the heart slowly develop in the animal and get attached to the veins in the right spot? How did the blood enter the system? The blood could not enter before the veins were complete or it would spill out. Where did the blood come from? Did the blood have red corpuscles, white corpuscles, platelets and plasma? At what point in this process of development did the heart start beating?
Did the animal develop a partial stomach, then a complete stomach? After the stomach was formed, how did the digestive juices enter the stomach? Where did the hydrochloric acid as part of the digestive juices come from? What about its kidney and bladder? The animal better not eat anything prior to this.
How did the animal survive during these changes (and over thousands of years)? Of course, at the same time, the animal’s eyes must be fully developed so it can see its food, and its brain must be fully developed so the animal can control its body to get to the food. Like the heart, brain, veins and stomach, all of the organs and systems in the first animal’s body must be fully functional in the first moments of life.
The preceding points indicate that evolution couldn’t occur, and the fossil record indicates that it didn’t occur! In other words, if you cannot come up with a detailed, feasible scenario of how the first animal developed, the whole evolutionary theory goes out the window, because it never even could have gotten started. Or is your attitude going to be: Don’t bother me with such details; my mind is made up.
Misleading textbooks
Why do books on evolution, including biology textbooks, always start with a fully developed animal when attempting to explain how one species developed into another species? Why don’t evolutionists first explain how the first animal developed (an animal with a heart, lungs, brain, stomach, etc.)?
What are the odds that the evolutionary process, proceeding by random changes, would produce a system in human reproduction whereby exactly 50 percent of offspring are male and 50 percent are female (based on 50 percent X-chromosomes and 50 percent Y-chromosomes)? Again, is there some sort of plan here?
To a creationist, the incredible complexity of human life, plant life and the universe is absolutely overwhelming evidence that there must have been a designer. Additional evidence for a designer: The law of gravity is basic to an understanding of the universe.
Who invented gravity?
Where did the law of gravity come from? Did it have a beginning? Isn’t it reasonable to assume that when matter was created, the law of gravity was established at the same time to regulate matter? Further evidence: The earth receives an incredible amount of energy from the sun, even though the sun is 93,000,000 miles away. Yet the earth only receives one part in two trillion of the sun’s total energy. And since the sun is only an average star among the 100 trillion billion stars in the universe, the total energy in all these stars is absolutely beyond human comprehension. (It has been written that the number of stars is greater than the number of grains of sand in every beach and desert in the world!)
Where did this energy come from? Isn’t the only reasonable answer that it was the result of a creative act by an almighty designer/creator?
Evolution—A solution by default
Why do evolutionists summarily dismiss the evidence of design without any serious consideration? Professor D.M.S. Watson, zoologist and Chair of Evolution at University College London, has given us some insight as to why this is so. He said, "Evolution [is] a theory universally accepted not because it can be proved by logically coherent evidence to be true, but because the only alternative, special creation, is clearly incredible." This, of course, is an admission that the foundation of evolution is not science, but a rejection of the supernatural. Evolution then is simply the best alternative anyone has been able to come up with. This also means that evolution is the only field in science where one decides on the answer first, and then looks for evidence to support that predetermined answer.
Other than rejection of the supernatural, how else can one explain the steadfast adherence of evolutionists to this theory even though they do not know the origin of the three main bases of evolution: the origin of matter, the origin of energy and the origin of life?
Truth or dare
If you believe in evolution, can you give just one coercive proof, i.e., a proof that absolutely eliminates any other possible explanation for the origin of the universe, the material world, and human life?
Isn’t it true that, rather than "proofs" of evolution, all that evolutionists can come up with are "evidences" for evolution to someone who already believes in it?
Let’s see some answers to important questions such as these posed in this article, rather than a discussion of what is science and what is religion. That type of discussion is entirely irrelevant. What we seek is the truth, and creationism is a far more reasonable and logical explanation of the origin of the universe, the material world and human life.
NOTE TO STUDENTS: Make a copy of this challenge to evolutionists and ask your teacher or professor to give you answers to these questions. If they cannot, you have a right to be skeptical that what they are teaching about evolution is true. Also, give copies to your fellow students so that they, too, will be aware that there are huge flaws in the theory of evolution. It is still a theory, not a "fact.
Also read Carl Werners boobk on Evolution It is a must !
 
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I totally agree...The moon does give us light even if it is a reflection without it we would be stuffed. I think its crazy that matter cant exist without energy and energy without matter and as soon as GOD made matter (earth) straight after he made energy (light) After the plants god made the moon and the moons gravitational pull is what makes plants grow. When GOD took the rib out of man to make woman was even crazier-Did you know the only bone in the human body that you can take out and it will grow back is the rib. !!!!!!CRAZY and even crazier the oldest book in the bible refers to the earth as a SPHERE!!!! In JOB and ISAIAH..And people say that (CHRISTIANS) thought the world was round..sceptical christians maybe thought that but thats the same as CHRISTIANS nowadays believe EVOLUTION over GODS word. Evolution is just a new idea ,its only been round for 150 years,its just another phase people go through till they find something new to underestimate our Creator...A few hundred years ago a scientist got some wheat and wrapped it up in his jocks put it in an open jar and left it for 2weeks, when he came back he found a rat in there, As a scientist he asumed that he made life from nothing!!!This was fact for 200 years b4 it was disproved.....I AM SERIOUS, I will find out his name and post it. Evolution is just another religion close to scientology, just new and already worn out, i think its more of a hobby for people, i got to admit i like reading up on it. I love comedy. When you here the words "Millions of years ago" you know a fairy tale is beginning.. I cant believe nothing exploded and became something. From nothing we get nothing. As a christian i believe the words of "I AM WHO I AM" He always was and when he spoke the world came into existence, He always was,He was the something who made something. That makes more sense. He made us in his image, he didn,t make us as a bacteria evolving in a primordial soup. If that was made in his image he couldn,t be anything special.
 
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Did you realize that archaebacteria functions without the presence of light and oxygen? they live through chemosynthesis in murky waters, undersea trenches and volcano vents. Imagine the inside of a volcano and imagine a picture of hell. what do you think these Bible verses mean?

Note that God moves over WATERS but it does not say that God created them, even though we know He did. Perhaps the Genesis account starts when God says "let there be Light"? When did God make angels since they are present when God lays the foundation of the Earth? It says so in Job. They measured out the distance, etc.

Genesis 1

The History of Creation

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was[a] on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.


Mark 9:47-48 (New King James Version)

47 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire— 48 where


‘ Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’[a
 
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lexieydoodle

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once again thank you for reading material that I have never seen before! I must respectively give the evolutionists response ")

1.) transition species. This is a misunderstanding of evolutions. saying that true transitional species would have non functional parts makes no sense form an evolutionary perspective. Natural selection (what evolutionists believe to be the mechanism by which evolution works) would actually work against an appendage that doesn't function because the idea of natural selection is that species are born with slight advantages because they are more fit to the environment so these heritable traits are passed on to the offspring and lead to differential reproduction( a fancy word meaning that if they are more fit they have more BABIES)

If a species has a nonworking apengage then it would probably not be fit to the environment and go extinct. What transitional species are supposed to see is an environmental pressure acting on a species to evolve into another.

WE can use the eye since thats seems to be a big example. The idea is that if vision was a good thing in a species then a species who had,lets say, 4% eyesight would survive over those that are blind (in a particular environment) then when there is 4% eyesight as a cosntnat in the population maybe those species with eye sight a little better lik 15% survive.....and so on and so forth untill an eye with 20/20 is formed. Sounds fantasitcal, i know, but to see what these "partial" eyes would like you can study some pretty amazing fish.

also as a side note.... we have found less then 1% of the species that exist. Something has to die in the right spot at the right time, not get eaten my scavengers, or trampled to hard for us even to have the chance to find it. SO there are some amazing transitional species 9if they exist) that we may never find...sigh

2.) too many questions. That is not the evolutionists job, they can't study everything. WHat your talking about sounds liek biology and physics, so you gotta turn to them folks for them answers. Thats like asking a dotor why he can't fix your toilette or sing the ava maria....that wasn't what he studies it wasn't what was in his job description. I remember asking about how my proff felt about what happened before the big bang my freshman year....ill never forget his response; "i don't care, there wern't any fossils"

3.) life from non life, again not the evolutionary scientists problem. Emotions however have many interesting theories but that getting more into evolutionary psychology. Randomness: natural selection IS NOT random...explained above

4.) spontaneous reproduction: ill have to get back o you on that. My focus is primates onward so Im not familiar about far back common ancestor history but I shall ask my proff!

5.) once again I think maybe the author got wrong information about the theory of evolution, this wasn't what origin....or evolutionary theorists 150 years latter explain gradual cumilation. This is the same point I made about they eye, no species has a partially funcitoning system. It is fully funcitoning and environmental pressures sway it to evolve over generations one way or the other.

6.) actually i just learned in human secuality there is a 3:1 ration of males born....but again thats not an evolutions focus. As for teaching, man i agree with this guy there. I was told because it is easier to teach this way, you don't get into origin orign stuff until grad school. (luckily im in the honors program so I get to take it undergrad ill let you know what i learn next semester)

7.0 gravity: not the evolutionists job, talk to a physicis.

8) evolution as an alternative. Yes science does reject the supernatural, I can't think of a single philosopher of science who would advocate God as science. THAT DOENS"T MEAN GOD DOESN"T EXIST!!! it simple means that it isn't science. The supernatural is untestable and empiricism is the foundation of western science so unfortunately it is impossible to include it. I think its aargaont to think we can study God in such a mechanical way anyway, I mean isn't God beyond our understating, transcendent and everything?
-also as far as science works, that is EXACTLY why you believe in any theory...because it is the best alternative. But to be the best alternative is a rigorousness process; peer reviewed journals, having to fit in with existing scientific paradigm, being testbale, being verifiable, ect all goes into being the best alternative. Being a real scientists means realizing that this is the best we have at the moment, as far as we know it is true but as soon as it is incompatibility with a question or problem we need to search for a new paradigm

9.) definite proof: absolutely not. But you can't with anything. Just because I dropped an apple and it obeyed the laws of gravity the last 300 mornings I did it that is not proof that it will not disobey gravity tomorrow morning. Part of being a scientist is accepting that annoying fact.

-general note
I'm a little disappointed by this article. I've read some pretty good books that caused me to scratech my head and do some reorganizing thinkiny about evolution, so this is not because I think evolution can't be debated. But this gut doesn't seem to actually understand what evolution is. He doesn't seem to understand NS which is sort of foundational to evolution. He doesn't really attack the theory of evolution as a science but as a philosophy it seems. He doesn't seem to know what information evolutionists are responsible for explaining and what, lets say, a PHYCISITS is responsible for explaining. Not a fan.

:p
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Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made (GENESIS 3:1) So we know that Satan was made on the same day as Wild animals so it is an indication of when they were made. And we know that angels were made to minister to man.
 
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Can you please point me to the credible journals and/or books for this? Also have you thought about those questions I posed you in my first post?
Do you just want journals and books, take a book on human ancestory and evolution out from a library.

Google Scholar search; 6000+ citations
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quote: Abstract "chapter (20), " Man as a biological species ", gives a summary of the latest work on the hominid origins of man"

Princeton University Press; A.J.Cain
"Arthur James Cain FRS (25 July 1921–20 August 1999) was a British evolutionary biologist and ecologist. He was elected a Fellow of the Royal Society in 1989."
Amazon.com: Animal Species and Their Evolution (9780691020983): Arthur J. Cain: Books

Of course taking a page out of these highly authoritative sources is a tad difficult from my own home, since they cost to access. Numerous websources will show a family tree, but those sources may not be credible enough for you.

List of human evolution fossils - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (a fraction of the them)
Particular one of note: KNM-WT 15000

Evolution: Humans: Origins of Humankind
The species list and age can be cross referenced with a standard species family tree;
http://rst.gsfc.nasa.gov/Sect20/familytree_lg.jpg
...to acknowledge that the 'tree' is the prevailing model for ape and human ancestory.
http://pubpages.unh.edu/~jel/512/primate family/hominids_tree.jpg
note: chimp is at the top left, and not at 5-6 myr which is supposed to represent common ancestor; the specific genus of creature that represents this hasn't been found (yes, i'll wait for you to jump on that statement), however the ancestors Ardipithecus kadabba, Sahelanthropus tchadensis, and Orrorin tugenensis provide the closest physical and genetic links.

The point is prehistoric ancestors become significantly more different the older in age the fossil.
...I'm too tired to dive into your request of the dear lady in your first post.