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WebersHome

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Jonah 1:17 . .The Lord appointed a great fish to swallow Jonah, and Jonah
was in the stomach of the fish three days and three nights.

Matt 12:40 . . As Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a
huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart
of the earth.

It appears from Gen 1:3-5, Gen 1:14-18, and John 11:9, that "day" is when
the sun is up, and "night" is when the sun is down.

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Hizikyah

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Berĕshith/Genesis 1:5, " And Yah called the light ‘day’ and the darkness He called ‘night.’ And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, the first day."

Exodus 12:18, "In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month, in the evening, you shall eat unleavened bread until the twenty-first day of the month in the evening."

Leviticus 23:32, "It is a Sabbath of rest to you, and you shall afflict your beings. On the ninth day of the month at evening, from evening to evening, you observe your Sabbath.”

"evening" is word # H6153. ereb - Strong's Concordance: ereb: evening, Original Word: עָ֫רֶב, Part of Speech: Noun Masculine, Transliteration: ereb, Phonetic Spelling: (eh'-reb), Short Definition: evening

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) -
1) evening, night, sunset, 1a) evening, sunset, 1b) night

Nehemyah 13:19, “And it came to be, at the gates of Yerushalayim, as it began to be dark before the Sabbath, that I commanded the gates to be shut, and commanded that they should not be opened till after the Sabbath. And I stationed some of my servants at the gates, so that no burdens would be brought in on the Sabbath day.”

John 11:9-10, " יהושע/Yahshua answered, “Are there not twelve hours in the day? If anyone walks in the day, he does not stumble, because he sees the light of this world. But if anyone walks in the night, he stumbles, because the light is not in him.”

Matt 20:6, “And about the eleventh hour, having gone out, he found others standing idle, and said to them, ‘Why do you stand here idle all day?"

John 20:1-1, "And on the first day of the week Miryam from Maḡdala came early to the tomb, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been removed from the tomb. So she ran and came to Shim‛on Kĕpha, and to the other taught one whom יהושע loved, and said to them, “They have taken the Master out of the tomb, and we do not know where they laid Him.”
 

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According to Matt 26:17-20, Mark 14:12-17, Luke 22:7-13, and Luke 22:14
16, Jesus ate his Passover dinner the night of his arrest.

According to John 13:1-2, John 18:28-29, and John 19:13-14, the Jews ate
their own Passover dinner after Jesus was dead and buried.

Failure to discern the time difference between Jesus' Passover and the Jews'
Passover invariably leads to unnecessary quarrelling and confusion.

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the time of Jesus, The Jews keep the Passover on the 15th of Nisan.
Even still today, But is this the correct day to observe the Passover?

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In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the Lord’s passover” (verses 4-5).
Notice first that this is God’s Passover—not the Jews’—and the day it is to be kept
is the 14th, not the 15th.

the Passover begins at sunset, at the beginning of the 14th.
The Jewish community observes their Passover on the 15th.

Leviticus 23:6 tells us that the first day of Unleavened Bread is on the 15th.
the Passover and the Days of Unleavened Bread are different and separate festivals.


the Passover lamb was to be sacrificed “in the evening” (Exodus 12:6)
on the 14th day of the first month. “In the evening” is between sunset and dark.

Deuteronomy 16:6 confirms this when it says the lamb was sacrificed “at even,
at the going down of the sun.” “the time between sunset and deep twilight.”

Exodus 12:8 says the Israelites were to eat the Passover meal “in that night.” Which night?
The one mentioned in verse 6: the 14th. After that, God smote the firstborn “this night”
(verse 12). Not the next night—this night—the 14th!


That is why, in Numbers 28:16, it says, “And in the fourteenth day of the first month is
[the passover of the Lord]” (we see also Leviticus 23:5-6).

5In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is [the Lord's passover].
6And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread
unto the Lord: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.

The events of the Passover occur in the 14th. And the events of
the first day of Unleavened Bread occur in the 15th!

Exodus 12:21-22 the Israelites were not to leave their houses until morning.
If they did, they would have died. This is why they were to burn their leftovers
the next morning (verse 10).the morning after the Passover is still the 14th
—the day portion of the 14th.

(verse 11)
11And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet,
and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is [the Lord's passover].

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Deuteronomy 16:1 says they left Egypt “by night.” Their exodus from Egypt
then had to be that following night, or the night[start] of the 15th.

This was to be a “night to be much observed” (Exodus 12:42).
This is confirmed in Numbers 33:3: “And they departed … on the fifteenth day
of the first month; on the morrow AFTER the passover .…”

the spoiling of the Egyptians (Exodus 12:33-36). This could have only taken place on the
afternoon of the 14th, just hours before [the Israelites left Egypt the night of the 15th].

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How did the Passover get its name originally? “For the Lord will pass through to smite
the Egyptians; and when he seeth the blood upon the lintel, and on the two side posts,

the Lord will pass over the door, and will not suffer the destroyer to come in unto your
houses to smite you. … That ye shall say, It is the sacrifice of the Lord’s passover, who
passed over the houses of the children of Israel in Egypt, when he smote the Egyptians,
and delivered our houses. And the people bowed the head and worshipped” (Exodus 12:23, 27).

God passed over the houses that had the blood of the lamb on their doorpost.
God also passes over (forgives) our sins when we repent of them and come
under the shed blood of Jesus Christ our Passover, sacrificed for us.


Kept on the 14th Many Generations Later

When the Hebrew children would ask about this service years later, the parents were to
respond, “It is the sacrifice of the Lord’s Passover” (Exodus 12:27). this is God’s Passover,
and God said “the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the Lord’s passover” (Lev 23:5).

Many generations later, the Israelites were still keeping the Passover on the 14th.

They kept the Passover on the correct day when they were in the wilderness (Numbers 9:5).
When they entered into the Promised Land, they were still all in agreement (Joshua 5:10).
King Josiah kept the Passover on the 14th (2 Chronicles 35:1). We also read in Ezra’s time
they were still keeping it on the 14th (Ezra 6:19), and this was about 519 b.c.


But the New Testament Jews Keep it a Day Later
the Jews were not all keeping the same day as Jesus Christ did and commanded.

“And the Jews’ passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem” (John 2:13).
Here it is called “the Jews’ Passover”—not “the Lord’s Passover.”

The Jewish confusion most likely arose in the third century before Christ.
The Palestinian Jews were under Egyptian control from 301 to 198 b.c.


“While the Egyptians allowed the Jews to retain their ancient calendar, there was a
change made in the beginning of the day—it became common to begin the day at sunrise.
This custom was adopted, and persisted among the Jews even down to New Testament times

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Good friday and easter sunrise service is a tradatition of man.
 

WebersHome

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The word "day" is a somewhat ambiguous in the Old Testament. For
example, at Gen 2:4, day indicates the entire creation endeavor.

I suggest we narrow the meaning of day down to just one relative to
crucifixion week by falling in line with Jesus Christ. Who, than he, is better
qualified to tell us how to understand a day as it was understood during the
years when he himself was living in Israel?

John 11:9 . . Jesus answered: are there not twelve hours in the day? A
man who walks by day will not stumble, for he sees by this world's light.

Days divided into twelve equal periods of sunlight were regulated by what's
known as temporal hours; which vary in length in accordance with the time
of year. There are times of the year at Jerusalem's latitude when days on
earth consist of less than 12 normal hours of daylight, and sometimes more;
but when Jesus was here; the official number of hours was always twelve
regardless.

I don't exactly know why the Jews of that era divided their days into twelve
equal periods of sunlight regardless of the seasons, but I suspect it was just
a convenient way to operate the government and conduct civil affairs;
including the Temple's activities (e.g. the daily morning and evening
sacrifices)

John 2:19 . . Jesus answered and said to them: Destroy this temple and in
three days I will raise it up.

In order to avoid confusion; I highly recommend working with the 12-hour
day that Jesus Christ gave us in his statement at John 11:9, i.e. let Day be
daytime and let Night be nighttime; viz: Days are when the sun is up, and
Nights are when the sun is down.

So, the three days and three nights of Jonah 1:17, Matt 12:40, John 2:19
22 indicate three times when the sun was up, and three times when the sun
was down.

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WebersHome

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NOTE: It's commonly asserted that John's use of the word "sabbath" at John
19:31 indicates that the preparation spoken of in his gospel refers to
preparing for the usual week-end repose. However, according to John 19:14,
the preparation in question was relative to Passover rather than the seventh
day of the Jews' week.

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p_rehbein

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Mailmandan thinks all Fridays are good...........but, then, he works for the Post Office.......soooooooo
 

WebersHome

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Lev 23:32 . . it is a sabbath of complete rest for you. You shall humble
yourselves. Beginning on the evening of the ninth of the month, you shall
keep your sabbath from evening to evening.

That verse is useful for proving that the seventh day of the Jews' week
doesn't have a lock on the word sabbath.

Two more special sabbaths like Yom Kippur are Feast of Trumpets (Lev
23:23-25) and the first and last days of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.(Ex
12:16, Lev 23:5-8)

When people are unaware of those special sabbaths they invariably
misunderstand John 19:31 to be speaking of the weekly seventh-day
sabbath instead of the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread; which
commences at night with the Passover dinner of roasted lambs that were
slaughtered and cooked that afternoon prior to sundown.

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WebersHome

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Seeing as how Lev 23:32 reveals the existence of sabbaths other than the
usual seventh-day repose, then I'm convinced in my own mind that there
were two sabbaths during crucifixion week.

There was the first day of the feast of unleavened bread which commenced
at sundown the day that Christ was crucified, and there was the regular
week-end sabbath spoken of at Matt 28:1 and Mark 16:1-2.

So the real challenge is not finding the three days and three nights the Lord
predicted at Matt 12:40 and John 2:19-21. No, an even more difficult
challenge is figuring out where to place the two sabbaths in crucifixion
week's order of events.

A Catholic once suggested to me that the two sabbaths were together, i.e.
they fell on the same date. So I countered that the suggestion would not
work to Catholicism's advantage seeing as how the standard Good Friday
model is short by one night.

With a little creative finagling it's possible to produce three days with the
Good Friday model by counting all day Saturday as one of the three days
Christ predicted at John 2:19, and counting Friday afternoon and Sunday
morning as two days; thus producing three. But no amount of finagling can
produce three nights as per his prediction at Matt 12:40.

The only way that Good Friday's one-night deficit can be rectified is by giving
Passover's sabbath and the regular week-end sabbath their own dates; viz:
have them run consecutive instead of coincident.

That would push Jesus' crucifixion day to Thursday; but hay, you gotta do
what you gotta do in order to come up with those three days and three
nights or be the laughing stock of the non Christian world because even a
third grader can see right off that the standard Good Friday model's
arithmetic doesn't add up.

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WebersHome

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Q: Well so what if the outside world is laughing at Good Friday just so long
as Catholics believe in it?

A: Irrational portrayals of crucifixion week contribute not just to the mockery
of Catholics, but of all Christians the world over; and worse: the losing of
people's souls in hell; here's why.

Luke 18:14 . . I tell you, this man went down to his house forgiven rather
than the other

No; Jesus didn't say "forgiven" he said justified.

The koiné Greek word is dikaioo (dik-ah-yo'-o) which essentially means to
regard as innocent.

In order for God to grant the tax man innocence, He couldn't merely forgive
him; no, God had to exonerate him; and how does one legally do that
without initiating a miscarriage of justice when there is evidence enough to
indict?

Well, according to the Bible, Christ was restored to life for our justification
(Rom 4:25). In other words; though Christ's crucifixion was sufficient to
obtain forgiveness for people's sins; his crucifixion alone wasn't sufficient to
make it possible for people to obtain an acquittal.

1Cor 15:17 . . If Christ has not been raised, your faith is vain; you are still
in your sins.

An acquittal can be defined as exoneration; viz: an adjudication of
innocence, which is normally granted when there is insufficient evidence to
convict. In other words: by means of Christ's resurrection, God was able to
cook the books so that it appears the tax collector never did anything bad.
On the surface; this looks very unethical, but from the divine perspective it's
all on the up and up.

It's not too difficult to appreciate just how serious this is relative to the
outside world. If they can be persuaded to mock the sequence of events
during crucifixion week, they can just as easily be persuaded that Jesus'
resurrection never happened; viz: they will miss the opportunity to get their
records expunged and thus be exonerated. A record of their sins will remain
on the books, hanging over their heads like a sword of Damocles. Out
ahead, at the Great White Throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15, those
books will be opened for review.

Mark 16:15-16 . . He said to them: Go into the whole world and proclaim
the gospel to every creature. Whoever believes and is baptized will be
spared; whoever does not believe will be condemned.

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Fridays are always good....unless you work on Saturday HAHA!
 

p_rehbein

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Good Fridayz make me be like


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