Hosea 12:13-14:9 and John 1:51

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BenAvraham

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HOSEA 12:13-14:9


The prophet condemns Israel for “forsaking the LORD” Israel was led out of Egypt by a prophet (Moshe) and tended to, provided for by YHVH, yet Israel forsake the LORD chasing after false gods, going into idolatry. Now the LORD will punish, and his wrath will fall upon his people. Yet YHVH still loves his people, yet will exact punishment, judgment, like a father, will punish and judge a disobedient son or daughter. Can we expect anything less from Adonai? If we abandon our LORD, and live like a lost person, loving the desires of the lost world and the flesh, can we expect anything less than judgment from HIM who set us free from sin?

Yet there is hope. In Chapter 14 it starts with; “Shuvah Israel ad YHVH Eloheikha” (Return Israel unto the LORD thy God…” There is always hope while we have the breath of life. The word “Ad” or “Ed” have the same Hebrew consonants, “Ayin Dalet” can also mean “Witness”

Adonai witnesses our waywardness as well as our “return” to Him. There is sin and there is also repentance, this is what he wanted His people to do, and this is what He wants US to do since we are all part of His people.


JOHN 1:51


Then He said; “I assure you; You will see heaven opened and the angels of God ascending and descending on the 'Son of Man'. What is this “ascending and descending” mean? Could this have a meaning? Well, all things, activities, and actions have meanings.

One way we might look at this is that all angels are at the disposition of our Messiah. They serve Him day and night, they are also in our service, and that is why we each have “guardian angels”. The angels going up the ladder might be because they are receiving instructions from Yeshua, the ones going down might be carrying out the instructions, (just an idea)


Mystery solved, YESHUA is the ladder!!!
 

Aaron56

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Paul and John are perhaps the most famous angels who have ascended to receive a message and descended to deliver it.
 

Journeyman

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And all punishment from God isn't always because of the sin of a believer. Sometimes it's because a believer is being persecuted because of his faith and our Lord uses that injustice against the righteous, to teach us how he wants us to respond, as he responded from the cross, when injustice was done to him,

Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots. Lk.23:34
 

markss

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JOHN 1:51


Then He said; “I assure you; You will see heaven opened and the angels of God ascending and descending on the 'Son of Man'. What is this “ascending and descending” mean? Could this have a meaning? Well, all things, activities, and actions have meanings.

One way we might look at this is that all angels are at the disposition of our Messiah. They serve Him day and night, they are also in our service, and that is why we each have “guardian angels”. The angels going up the ladder might be because they are receiving instructions from Yeshua, the ones going down might be carrying out the instructions, (just an idea)


Mystery solved, YESHUA is the ladder!!!
Reminds me of,

Hebrews 10:19-22 KJV
19) Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
20) By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
21) And having an high priest over the house of God;
22) Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

Jesus bridges between earth and heaven to allow us to partake of the heavenly.

Much love!
 

Journeyman

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Heb.10:19-22 also shows that our Lord Jesus is truly God, as only God was behind the veil.
 

Pilgrimshope

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HOSEA 12:13-14:9


The prophet condemns Israel for “forsaking the LORD” Israel was led out of Egypt by a prophet (Moshe) and tended to, provided for by YHVH, yet Israel forsake the LORD chasing after false gods, going into idolatry. Now the LORD will punish, and his wrath will fall upon his people. Yet YHVH still loves his people, yet will exact punishment, judgment, like a father, will punish and judge a disobedient son or daughter. Can we expect anything less from Adonai? If we abandon our LORD, and live like a lost person, loving the desires of the lost world and the flesh, can we expect anything less than judgment from HIM who set us free from sin?

Yet there is hope. In Chapter 14 it starts with; “Shuvah Israel ad YHVH Eloheikha” (Return Israel unto the LORD thy God…” There is always hope while we have the breath of life. The word “Ad” or “Ed” have the same Hebrew consonants, “Ayin Dalet” can also mean “Witness”

Adonai witnesses our waywardness as well as our “return” to Him. There is sin and there is also repentance, this is what he wanted His people to do, and this is what He wants US to do since we are all part of His people.


JOHN 1:51


Then He said; “I assure you; You will see heaven opened and the angels of God ascending and descending on the 'Son of Man'. What is this “ascending and descending” mean? Could this have a meaning? Well, all things, activities, and actions have meanings.

One way we might look at this is that all angels are at the disposition of our Messiah. They serve Him day and night, they are also in our service, and that is why we each have “guardian angels”. The angels going up the ladder might be because they are receiving instructions from Yeshua, the ones going down might be carrying out the instructions, (just an idea)


Mystery solved, YESHUA is the ladder!!!
“And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it. And, behold, the LORD stood above it, and said, I am the LORD God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed;”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭28:12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

he’s opened the way into heaven he’s the ladder (the way ) and he’s also the lord standing atop the ladder

“and said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭7:56‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus is how man can ascend from earthly to heavenly with him

angels descending and ascending upon him

“And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, ( like Jacob saw ) and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.”( the mediation between heaven and earth )
‭‭John‬ ‭1:51‬ ‭

jesus is the lord atop the ladder , the ladder by which sons of men can ascend into the heavens , and he also was born as one of us to make this all possible

The angels are his ministering spirits sent to minister to the hiers of salvstion , the elect children mankind