I Believe this.....

[biggiestomp]

I believe this, as a person grows in their relationship with the Lord, their every thought and actions is revealed to them. Becoming more transparent to where you feel your standing in a room full of people, naked! It's by God's straight that keep you covered. In other words blameless! No one likes to feel transparent. Look at Adam and Eve. As the Lord came strolling through the garden, he asked Adam "where art thou?" Not because my Lord did not know where Adam was. Adam sin was revealed to "himself" and he became transparent so he tried to hide from God. We cannot hide from God. But what we can do is hide from others. And that just leads down a path of lies.

Some may speak the word in sounding righteous and also in doing like the Pharisees clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside you are full of greed and wickedness. Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.

 

[kenisyes]

Going from glory to glory is a process of revealing more of who He made you. Some people say it's like peeling an onion. Unknown sinfulness is revealed and corrected. Not really transparent, but shining with the glory of God.

 

[biggiestomp]

Going from glory to glory is a process of revealing more of who He made you. Some people say it's like peeling an onion. Unknown sinfulness is revealed and corrected. Not really transparent, but shining with the glory of God.

Ok, Kenisyes. Then why do you think Adam tried to hide from God? He surly wasn't shining with the glory of God.

 

[biggiestomp]

I would agree with a peeling away like an onion. But it is His glory that shines upon us in reviewing our sins. And most often, some are unwilling to step into the light. As the Pharisees in hiding behind their religion. Again, blind Pharisees! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean. they really weren't trying to be transparent they were more like judging those by the law but were not really fulfilling the law themselves. at least they thought they were. but not by our Lord standards. and and you know why they were blind? They come to believe that what they were doing was right.

 

[kenisyes]

Ok, Kenisyes. Then why do you think Adam tried to hide from God? He surly wasn't shining with the glory of God.

They only tried to hide after they sinned. Before that they were "naked and they did not feel ashamed". The word "subtile" applied to the serpent (Gen. 3:1), is the same Hebrew word as "naked"(2:25).

We need to get naked before God, so He can clothe us with His glory for others to see. God had not yet covered Adam's sin with the skin yet. The glory had to wait for Jesus.

 

[biggiestomp]

They only tried to hide after they sinned. Before that they were "naked and they did not feel ashamed". The word "subtile" applied to the serpent (Gen. 3:1), is the same Hebrew word as "naked"(2:25).

We need to get naked before God, so He can clothe us with His glory for others to see. God had not yet covered Adam's sin with the skin yet. The glory had to wait for Jesus.

But that's the point, Adam become transparent. Why were they ashamed? Their sin being exposed. Not that they were never transparent before the fall. Before the fall, they had nothing to hide! As God also said to Cain, If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.” Their desire ruled over them as did Cains. This comment is going back to when you mention, Not really Transparent! If we cant be transparent, then what is it we are hiding?

 

[soldierofchrist4ever24]

They only tried to hide after they sinned. Before that they were "naked and they did not feel ashamed". The word "subtile" applied to the serpent (Gen. 3:1), is the same Hebrew word as "naked"(2:25).

We need to get naked before God, so He can clothe us with His glory for others to see. God had not yet covered Adam's sin with the skin yet. The glory had to wait for Jesus.

Im sorry brother but i speak Greek and Hebrew and i will give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume that you where also wrongfuly taught that Ewr as seen in Genesis3:1 could mean naked, is just false it means cunning in other words he was a sly one lol but i can see how one could mistake Ewr in Genesis3:1 with Ery which is where we get the english naked in many places in the OT. they are close and even of the same root but they are not the same word.

Also if i would sound it out to you it would be easier to identify for you i am sure, for subtle it is like this Aw-room' and naked Ay-rome' i am sure you are getting it by now

in
Christ
brother travis

 

[kenisyes]

But that's the point, Adam become transparent. Why were they ashamed? Their sin being exposed. Not that they were never transparent before the fall. Before the fall, they had nothing to hide! As God also said to Cain, If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.” Their desire ruled over them as did Cains. This comment is going back to when you mention, Not really Transparent! If we cant be transparent, then what is it we are hiding?

Transparent means naked in one verse, which is a no-no in public both in our culture and in ancient Hebrew culture. That's why I posted as I did. As long as you are interpreting it the way you are, there is no danger of misunderstanding.

Without sin, transparent to God's goodness He made them in. After the sin, subtile, conniving, just like the serpent. Transparent to the evil that you should want to hide.

I thought maybe you meant that in the OP, but I was not clear.

 

[kenisyes]

Im sorry brother but i speak Greek and Hebrew and i will give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume that you where also wrongfuly taught that Ewr as seen in Genesis3:1 could mean naked, is just false it means cunning in other words he was a sly one lol but i can see how one could mistake Ewr in Genesis3:1 with Ery which is where we get the english naked in many places in the OT. they are close and even of the same root but they are not the same word.

Also if i would sound it out to you it would be easier to identify for you i am sure, for subtle it is like this Aw-room' and naked Ay-rome' i am sure you are getting it by now

in
Christ
brother travis

You are correct as far as the Masoretic tradition. Qames(long -aw) vs. composite sheva (short-ay). The points are not part of the original inspired text, as they did not exist at the time of Moses. Many such comparisons are drawn by the scribes. The comparison leads to the correct conclusion, as you see in the above post, and clarifies the OP.

In simpler language, God could have written the OT in any language He chose. He chose Hebrew for a reason. And He had 1500 years to work with Abraham down to Nehemiah to get it the way He wanted it.

 

[biggiestomp]

But now as i continue to read the comment in which you made, kenisyes, I think what's being mistaken is the uses of the word Transparent. Its not to say, we are to other people. It just might feel like we are if we worry and not be corrected. Or we avoid being corrected. As Adam, trying to hide from God. Or Cain, with his sarcastic respond to the Lord.

 

[kenisyes]

But now as i continue to read the comment in which you made, kenisyes, I think what's being mistaken is the uses of the word Transparent. Its not to say, we are to other people. It just might feel like we are if we worry and not be corrected. Or we avoid being corrected. As Adam, trying to hide from God. Or Cain, with his sarcastic respond to the Lord.

Absolutely. We are transparent to other people only if God tells them what we need. We are always transparent to God.

 

[WolfInOxHide]

naked vs. cunning
via same root

"obviously deceitful"

 

[Tommy4Christ]

Quote:

It's by God's straight that keep you covered. In other words blameless.

Not sure what you mean by this, so please forgive me if I misunderstood you. If you are saying as God looks into our heart, thoughts and motives, we are blameless, as His righteousness covers us, and He no longer sees you naked and sinful, but sees you as blameless as Jesus, then this is not correct.

WE remain blameless before God as we walk in the spirit, giving no provision for the flesh, and walk the crucified life unto Him in reality, having nailed our sinful way to the cross with Jesus, but if we decide to willfully sin against God, then we are no longer blameless, we are responsible for all our conduct before God, and follow the example of the blameless son of God, Jesus Christ, we are not cloaked in His righteousness, but are declared righteous as we walk an obedient faith, abstaining from all sin and disobedience that leads to death!

let us cleanse ourselves!​

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2Co 7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.​

We are commanded to cleanse ourselves. This translates out as purity:
G2511(to clense)
καθαρίζω
katharizō
kath-ar-id'-zo
From G2513; to cleanse (literally or figuratively): - (make) clean (-se), purge, purify.

Many will say that God will do the cleansing after we come to Him still defiled and filled with iniquity, which translates out as, God cleanses the sinner gradually, and all filthiness of the flesh and spirit isn’t mandatory for the sinner to do first.
But as stated, having therefore these promises that come to a cleansed and purified heart, that has been made pure through repentance and brokenness, 2 Cor 7-10-11, the cleansing part is what we do, not to save ourselves, but to present ourselves to God, cleansed and purged from all dead works, thus now becoming acceptable to Him, to receive His great and precious promises, which are many.
Now that the vile sins have been repented of (stopped) hoping God will relent of His wrath against the disobedient, we now can perfect Holiness in the fear of God!
So the salvation process isn’t a complicated one, but neither is at a quick one, two, three, you are forever saved and in the kingdom.
No, it comes to the truly repentant heart that has yielded to the word of God, through the great convicting power of the Holy Spirit that has come into the world to convict the lost and dying world, and church, of sin, righteousness, and judgment!
Joh 16:8 And when he is come,(The Holy Spirit) he will reprove(convict, rebuke) the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment.
Mankind now has a free will choice, because he was created upright, and not depraved and unable to choose to obey. He can then succumb to the power of the spirit bearing down on him encouraging him to lay aside all filthiness and wickedness, and seek the mercy of God!
Seperation and holiness isn’t earning anything from God it’s a command to follow, and this is driven by godly fear and reverence to God, who has just granted repentance for the remission of sins to the lost and rebellious sinner who has come to their end as the prodigal did, in utter despair and brokenness, now living the holy (separated) life unto God, in all fear of His great power and judgment, that will fall on those who continue to mock Him and His truth. Gal 6-7.
The growth process of a true follower of Christ is not sinning less and less, IE, less porn watching, less getting drunk, less fornication, less murdering etc.. but a process of growing more in wisdom and following the spirit who now fills the soul of the cleansed and purged saint, no longer full of guile, hate, lust, and pride!(the clearing that takes place in repentance)
The spirit now works in the saint, as they become more aware of their faults and imperfections, and short Comings, leading them through by the convicting power of the spirit, onto greater holiness, and purity, and obedience.
But the big offensive sins must have been put to death, cut off at the roots, and dealt with as Christ commands!
Now a cleansed and purified heart will no longer be hungering and thrusting for the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eye and the pride of life, but instead hungering and thirsting for righteousness and purity, being motivated by the spirit in all love, patients, and diligence to walk a holy and sanctified life, not in total perfection but in perfect obedience to the truth, willing to grow, learn and forsake all that the spirit reveals to them, especially anything that can lead to willful sin and rebellion or make another brother or sister stumble!
Tommy
2Co 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
2Co 6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

 

[biggiestomp]

Quote:

It's by God's straight that keep you covered. In other words blameless.

Not sure what you mean by this, so please forgive me if I misunderstood you. If you are saying as God looks into our heart, thoughts and motives, we are blameless, as His righteousness covers us, and He no longer sees you naked and sinful, but sees you as blameless as Jesus, then this is not correct.

WE remain blameless before God as we walk in the spirit, giving no provision for the flesh, and walk the crucified life unto Him in reality, having nailed our sinful way to the cross with Jesus, but if we decide to willfully sin against God, then we are no longer blameless, we are responsible for all our conduct before God, and follow the example of the blameless son of God, Jesus Christ, we are not cloaked in His righteousness, but are declared righteous as we walk an obedient faith, abstaining from all sin and disobedience that leads to death!

let us cleanse ourselves!

2Co 7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.​

We are commanded to cleanse ourselves. This translates out as purity:
G2511(to clense)
καθαρίζω
katharizō
kath-ar-id'-zo
From G2513; to cleanse (literally or figuratively): - (make) clean (-se), purge, purify.

Many will say that God will do the cleansing after we come to Him still defiled and filled with iniquity, which translates out as, God cleanses the sinner gradually, and all filthiness of the flesh and spirit isn’t mandatory for the sinner to do first.
But as stated, having therefore these promises that come to a cleansed and purified heart, that has been made pure through repentance and brokenness, 2 Cor 7-10-11, the cleansing part is what we do, not to save ourselves, but to present ourselves to God, cleansed and purged from all dead works, thus now becoming acceptable to Him, to receive His great and precious promises, which are many.
Now that the vile sins have been repented of (stopped) hoping God will relent of His wrath against the disobedient, we now can perfect Holiness in the fear of God!
So the salvation process isn’t a complicated one, but neither is at a quick one, two, three, you are forever saved and in the kingdom.
No, it comes to the truly repentant heart that has yielded to the word of God, through the great convicting power of the Holy Spirit that has come into the world to convict the lost and dying world, and church, of sin, righteousness, and judgment!
Joh 16:8 And when he is come,(The Holy Spirit) he will reprove(convict, rebuke) the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment.
Mankind now has a free will choice, because he was created upright, and not depraved and unable to choose to obey. He can then succumb to the power of the spirit bearing down on him encouraging him to lay aside all filthiness and wickedness, and seek the mercy of God!
Seperation and holiness isn’t earning anything from God it’s a command to follow, and this is driven by godly fear and reverence to God, who has just granted repentance for the remission of sins to the lost and rebellious sinner who has come to their end as the prodigal did, in utter despair and brokenness, now living the holy (separated) life unto God, in all fear of His great power and judgment, that will fall on those who continue to mock Him and His truth. Gal 6-7.
The growth process of a true follower of Christ is not sinning less and less, IE, less porn watching, less getting drunk, less fornication, less murdering etc.. but a process of growing more in wisdom and following the spirit who now fills the soul of the cleansed and purged saint, no longer full of guile, hate, lust, and pride!(the clearing that takes place in repentance)
The spirit now works in the saint, as they become more aware of their faults and imperfections, and short Comings, leading them through by the convicting power of the spirit, onto greater holiness, and purity, and obedience.
But the big offensive sins must have been put to death, cut off at the roots, and dealt with as Christ commands!
Now a cleansed and purified heart will no longer be hungering and thrusting for the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eye and the pride of life, but instead hungering and thirsting for righteousness and purity, being motivated by the spirit in all love, patients, and diligence to walk a holy and sanctified life, not in total perfection but in perfect obedience to the truth, willing to grow, learn and forsake all that the spirit reveals to them, especially anything that can lead to willful sin and rebellion or make another brother or sister stumble!
Tommy
2Co 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
2Co 6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

Is it really important to say whos correct and who isnt? You just said it yourself, "Not sure what you mean by this, so please forgive me if I misunderstood you." So are we to take correction from others who may or may not understand the reasoning of their point of context? But the Lord did say, no man can tame the tongue. Which is why i now need to remain silent the rest on this blog post...lol

 

[biggiestomp]

People, including myself at times, lock on to part of whats being said and become complete bible scholars. If you wish to enlighten others with your knowledge, that is fine and wonderful. We all should share in the body in building up one another. But let us also remember, the tongue and correct in love. Tommy are you married? I think i just noticed your not. Cause i was gonna ask, try correcting your wife by telling her she was wrong and see what happens....lol