Mike Winger's "Why I think Calvinism is Unbiblical"

[Evmur]

The bride has 10 attendants, five of whom are wise. The bride is not her attendants.

Chaos is exactly what Jesus and all the prophets foretold, Jerusalem will be a rock of contention under which the nations will reel and stagger.

You betcha there is ww3 acoming. It's all in the prophets. Everything that God has ever said about Israel has always come to pass.

Jesus did not say the first will be damned and the last be first. He said the first will be last and the last first. That is to enter the kingdom ... they still enter.

And if the Jews were first but were chucked to the back of the line, and the church has now become first and Israel now last. Who is first and who is last?

The story of Joseph is the clearest most remarkable picture in the OT of Christ and Israel. All Israel rejected Him but He is beloved of the fathers. He became Lord and Saviour of the world.

... and lastly of all Israel.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

I thank God that He washed my brain from the devil's false man-centred gospel which does not save anyone.
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Yet when the fork in the road comes between what Calvin said and what God says, you always veer Calvin and not what God said.

Man is not absolutely depraved but totally depraved

Which has been proven wrong with the story of Cornealius. So again you veer to the man Calvin, instead of the Word.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

the covenants made with the Israel of old were conditional

The Abrahamic covenant was not conditional. it was unconditional and everlasting.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

God saves by grace and not by race. He has one wife and not two!

No one here ever said Jews were saved because they were Jews. And you're either incapable of understanding what you're saying, or you're ignoring it. God does not save by grace according to you. According to you God chooses who He saves and who He damns. That isn't grace. It's funny you can see it for the Jew the ACTUAL CHOSEN PEOPLE, they aren't saved because they are Jews, or chosen, that you scream about, but consider yourself elite and saved why? By grace? No! You believe God on a cosmic whim chose you to win the "saved" lottery and damn the person next to you to hell. Why? Cause he wanted to. THAT is perverted belief!!

 

[Inquisitor]

Romans was written to the brethren who were made up of both Jew and Gentile and it is both that are foreknown by God before the foundation of the world.

Rom 8:29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Rom 8:30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

Romans 11:1-2 is speaking of those among the nation of Israel who were foreknown by God unto salvation and called the remnant and not every person with an Israeli passport!

Rom 11:5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

The letter was addressed to Jew and Gentile, agree.

Though Paul is explaining why the Jews were severed from Christ, from the tree of life.

Paul also is directly addressing the Jews as the quote below shows.

Romans 2:24
For “the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you,” just as it is written.

We can clearly see that Paul is slowly explaining why Israel failed.

Context, context.

The Jews were foreknown by God, fact.

You said, "Romans 11:1-2 is speaking of those among the nation of Israel who were foreknown by God unto salvation and called the remnant and not every person with an Israeli passport!"

That's your interpretation, just read the text itself.

That has nothing to do with the usage of 'foreknew or foreknown' in the text.
'Foreknown' strictly applies to Israel in Romans 11:2. The Gentiles were not the subject of
Romans 11:2, Israel was!

Romans 11:2
God has not rejected His people (Israel) whom He foreknew.

Reading in the context of Romans 2 to Romans 11, we now know how to read Romans 8.

Romans 8:29
For whom He foreknew (Israel), He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son,
that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Do you understand what reading in the given context means?

That is why it is not wise for a Calvinist to use quotations from Romans 2 to Romans 11.

 

[Inquisitor]

The Abrahamic covenant was not conditional. it was unconditional and everlasting.

You bet, God put Abraham into a coma, then established the Abrahamic covenant.

The shadow covenant with Abraham was fulfilled by Jesus in the New Testament.

 

[Inquisitor]

your false dispensational Zionist Christian eschatology is resulting in the current chaos throughout the world which is leading to WW3 and people like yourself foolishly wish to see this world blown up in order to somehow think you can quicken the coming of Christ and be removed from any suffering through an unbiblical rapture.

You have been deceived by Darby and Schofield into thinking the current nation of Israel is fulfilling prophecy when in fact it is a counterfeit of Satan to deceive those who do not love the truth.

The proof of your false eschatology is the perverted Gospel people like yourself proclaim which in itself is the greatest judgement God can place upon anyone.

I have now warned you many times that the true Jew according to Scripture is not he who is born of the flesh but he who is born again in Christ's New Covenant. God saves by grace and not by race. He has one wife and not two!

Paul said the Jew comes first in God's plan.

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation
to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

Paul is discussing the nation of Israel in Romans 2 to Romans 11, not the Gentiles.

God foreknew Israel throughout history.

Israel were hardened in regards to Jesus, they stumbled over Jesus.

Israel became the enemies of Christianity.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

You bet, God put Abraham into a coma, then established the Abrahamic covenant.

The shadow covenant with Abraham was fulfilled by Jesus in the New Testament.

But the land promise has yet to be fulfilled, that was part of what God promised.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Paul said the Jew comes first in God's plan.

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation
to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

Paul is discussing the nation of Israel in Romans 2 to Romans 11, not the Gentiles.

God foreknew Israel throughout history.

Israel were hardened in regards to Jesus, they stumbled over Jesus.

Israel became the enemies of Christianity.

Blinded for a time. Romans 11