Miracle workers who couldn't heal themselves!!!

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shittim

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Your statement gives 1st place to Drs. for supposedly physical disease, Jesus never sent anyone to a Dr.
The Father is to have 1st place in all things. Jesus only did what He saw the Father do, He only said what He heard the Father say, and modeled how we are all to be in order to please the Father and be conformed to the image of the Son.
The modern "church" too often only talks about Him once a week, not calling Holy Spirit to come and minster as they did in the first century body of believers.
best wishes
 

JaumeJ

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Your statement gives 1st place to Drs. for supposedly physical disease, Jesus never sent anyone to a Dr.
The Father is to have 1st place in all things. Jesus only did what He saw the Father do, He only said what He heard the Father say, and modeled how we are all to be in order to please the Father and be conformed to the image of the Son.
The modern "church" too often only talks about Him once a week, not calling Holy Spirit to come and minster as they did in the first century body of believers.
best wishes
Nicely put forward, even beautifully. I hope many read and understand fully. God bless your works.
 

shittim

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Nicely put forward, even beautifully. I hope many read and understand fully. God bless your works.
You are kind, I give thanks for you.
blessings to you and yours in Jesus name.
 

CS1

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https://www.bible.ca/tongues-miracles-fake-pentecostal.htm
Miracle workers who couldn't heal themselves!!!

  1. John Osteen, Word of Faith mega-church pastor in Houston - his wife, Dodie got liver cancer and through the mercy of God and medical attention survived.
  2. Frederick K. Price, Word of Faith mega-church pastor in Los Angeles - his wife, Betty got cancer and was medically treated (chemo-therapy) and by the mercy of God was patched up.
  3. Jamie Buckingham, Discipleship Movement & charismatic author - died of cancer. Jamies too was under a medical doctors care.
  4. Charles Capps, Word of Faith teacher, teaches power of our words to create reality - his wife got cancer and was medically treated.
  5. John Wimber, Signs & Wonders Movement, author of "Power Healing," - just died from cancer. He too, was medically treated - no "power" healing for him, only chemo-therapy.
  6. Mack Timberlake, Word of Faith pastor - suffering from throat cancer, getting medical attention.
  7. R.W. Schambach, Faith Healer - got a quadruple heart bypass (from a real live human doctor)
  8. Dr. Hobart Freeman, Word of Faith teacher & pastor of Faith Assembly - over 90 people died in his church following his teaching and then Hobart died due to a medically treatable disease.
  9. Prophet Keith Grayton, Prophetic Movement - died of the complications of AIDS
    He spoke at our Church in Detroit, and declared he was totally healed. He died a year or so later.
  10. Kenneth Hagin, "father" of the Word of Faith Movement - sister died of cancer, (he wears glasses)
    Hagin's great faith and special anointing could not keep her on the planet.
  11. Katherine Khulman - an acknowledged divine healer DIED from heart disease in Ann Arbor Michigan.
    A.A. Allen - an acknowledged divine healer and exorcist DIED from alcohol & drug abuse.
    Aimee Semple McPherson - an acknowledge divine healer - died of a barbituate overdose. Why was she taking pills in the first place? Wasn't the "peace" of God enough for her?
    Jack Coe - an acknowledged divine healer DIED from disease.

Miracle workers who couldn't heal at all!

"Heal! I say, HEEAALL! Why don't you get up? Rise and walk you sinner, if you would confess, you wouldn't be crippled! If you don't have the faith to get up and walk...you deserve to be stuck right there!" so says Ken Copeland, Kenneth Hagin, and other health, wealth, & prosperity teachers who claim to teach Biblical Christianity, but do they?.... Copeland goes on..."When I read in the Bible where He [God] says "I AM", I just smile and say, 'Yes, I AM too.'" (Believer's Voice of Victory Broadcast, 7/9/1987) "God intends for His people to be united, and, that union won't be based on doctrine [the Bible]" (Copeland - Believer's Voice... - 12/88).


The Pensacola News Journal. No medical proof of 'miraculous healings' Church does not keep records, Nov 20, 1997
By Kimberly Blair News Journal staff writer

PENSACOLA -Night after night, revival leaders tell the crowds that healings are occurring and growing more powerful. "I know now that we could all get to the place where the dead are raised," evangelist Steve Hill said in a November 1996 article in "Ministries Today," a magazine for Christian leaders. "We 're seeing miraculous healings, cancerous tumors disappear and drug addicts immediately delivered."

But the Brownsville Revival has not provided medical documentation of spontaneous healing and does not keep a file of names of people who say they were healed.

The News Journal found several people who say their conditions were healed or improved as a direct result of the revival, but none had medical proof.

Most stories are anecdotal. For example, Dave Collins, a charter bus owner from Oklahoma City, told the News Journal that a woman who rode on his bus brought her daughter to the revival to cure a rare disease that caused her daughter 's foot to turn backwards.

"The doctor was about to have the foot amputated. They went to revival and had an anointing healing service. The foot straightened out," Collins said.

No records

The News Journal could not interview the woman because Collins would not give her name or address. The church said it did not have her name because it does not keep records of the healings.

Many Brownsville Revival regulars and staff members believe the revival is on the brink of a breakthrough into wide-scale healings.

Brownsville church business administrator Rose Compton said she believes the healings will start very close to home, with pastor John Kilpatrick being miraculously healed from the injuries he suffered in a fall from the second story at his new house in Seminole, Ala., on Sept. 17.

His healing will signal the beginning of mass healings, she said.

Kilpatrick, however, told the News Journal during an interview three weeks ago that he is not being miraculously healed.

His medical records, which he permitted his doctor to release to the News Journal, confirm that. They show that his injuries are progressing at normal speed.

Kilpatrick did say, however, that many other people were being cured and healed at the revival.

"We have noticed more and more sick people coming in and saying their pain is leaving. We have had people healed of different things," he said. "Some of it is on video tapes."

Compton gave the News Journal one videotaped testimonial produced by a Lima, Ohio, Christian television program, "Turning Point." On the video, Lima resident Sandy Cornell, 44, says she "grew a new esophagus" after attending the revival earlier this year. Her husband, Clarence, asked the News Journal not to call her doctor for verification.

In another case, Rose Elrod, 61, of Oklahoma City told the News Journal she was healed of pancreatitis after attending the revival in September. "I 've been in and out of the hospital 20 times in the last couple of years," she said. "I was in constant pain and couldn 't eat anything." Friday, her third day at the revival, evangelist Steve Hill prayed for her, Elrod said, and she was slain in the spirit. "I laid on the floor 45 minutes with my hand raised," she said. "When I got up I was healed. You are talking about a woman who could hardly make a bed, clean my house, cook or eat. I couldn 't stand." She said she has talked to, but has not been examined by her physician, Dr. James Hogin, since the healing. Hogin, a gastroenterologist at Brookwood Medical Center in Oklahoma City, said he wants to see her. He wants to determine whether she is indeed improved or if she is undergoing a placebo effect.

God 's healing verifiable

"God 's healing is always verifiable," Hogin said. "With true healings, it is not that hard to confirm."

Essie Cox, 75, of Atmore, Ala., told the News Journal that six doctors at two different hospitals in Pensacola and Mobile told her she needed heart bypass surgery to unblock clogged arteries.

"I was prayed for on Saturday, Aug. 2, 1997. I didn 't feel anything immediately. I felt kind of woozy like," Cox said. "My husband kept telling me, 'You are healed.

Three days later, she woke up and felt a complete change, she said. "I had claimed the healing in my heart. I knew I was healed," she said.

Since the revival, Cox said, she has had very few problems with her heart. She is continuing to take her usual dosage of two kinds of heart medication and blood pressure medication, but she said she no longer takes daily nitroglycerin.

Cox 's doctor, Dr. J. Andrew Morrow Jr., with Cardiology Associates in Mobile, said the bypass surgery Cox talked about was an elective surgery and not a necessary procedure needed to maintain Cox 's health.
One can mock and scoff. For every bad report posted and failure of men and women.

There are millions who have been delivered from Drugs and Alcohol, many healed from Cancer and other sicknesses.
I have seen God heal, and people still die. Jesus Raised the Dead while on earth, yet they are all dead today.

Those blind eyes he opened are closed. Those legs he healed now dust. Yet I praise His name for what I read he did then, and I choose to Believe He does it today.

I have been to hospitals and have seen God wake dead men through prayer, and they left the Hospital and died the very next week.
Yet God was able to do what the doctors said would not happen. I have the proof and have witnessed it with many others. To God be the glory.
 

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TheLearner

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One can mock and scoff. For every bad report posted and failure of men and women.

There are millions who have been delivered from Drugs and Alcohol, many healed from Cancer and other sicknesses.
I have seen God heal, and people still die. Jesus Raised the Dead while on earth, yet they are all dead today.

Those blind eyes he opened are closed. Those legs he healed now dust. Yet I praise His name for what I read he did then, and I choose to Believe He does it today.

I have been to hospitals and have seen God wake dead men through prayer, and they left the Hospital and died the very next week.
Yet God was able to do what the doctors said would not happen. I have the proof and have witnessed it with many others. To God be the glory.

Show me the objective follow up on healings by an objective source, who is not part of his church. It is my experience when follow up is done, the spectactuar claims are false.
 

CS1

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Show me the objective follow up on healings by an objective source, who is not part of his church. It is my experience when follow up is done, the spectactuar claims are false.
please explain what you mean ?
 

CS1

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Show me the objective follow up on healings by an objective source, who is not part of his church. It is my experience when follow up is done, the spectactuar claims are false.

Matthew 17
"Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me."

Matthew 16:4
A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them and departed.
 

CS1

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Matthew 17
"Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me."

Matthew 16:4
A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them and departed.

Jesus also said don't cast your pearls.
 
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https://www.bible.ca/tongues-miracles-fake-pentecostal.htm
Miracle workers who couldn't heal themselves!!!

  1. John Osteen, Word of Faith mega-church pastor in Houston - his wife, Dodie got liver cancer and through the mercy of God and medical attention survived.
  2. Frederick K. Price, Word of Faith mega-church pastor in Los Angeles - his wife, Betty got cancer and was medically treated (chemo-therapy) and by the mercy of God was patched up.
  3. Jamie Buckingham, Discipleship Movement & charismatic author - died of cancer. Jamies too was under a medical doctors care.
  4. Charles Capps, Word of Faith teacher, teaches power of our words to create reality - his wife got cancer and was medically treated.
  5. John Wimber, Signs & Wonders Movement, author of "Power Healing," - just died from cancer. He too, was medically treated - no "power" healing for him, only chemo-therapy.
  6. Mack Timberlake, Word of Faith pastor - suffering from throat cancer, getting medical attention.
  7. R.W. Schambach, Faith Healer - got a quadruple heart bypass (from a real live human doctor)
  8. Dr. Hobart Freeman, Word of Faith teacher & pastor of Faith Assembly - over 90 people died in his church following his teaching and then Hobart died due to a medically treatable disease.
  9. Prophet Keith Grayton, Prophetic Movement - died of the complications of AIDS
    He spoke at our Church in Detroit, and declared he was totally healed. He died a year or so later.
  10. Kenneth Hagin, "father" of the Word of Faith Movement - sister died of cancer, (he wears glasses)
    Hagin's great faith and special anointing could not keep her on the planet.
  11. Katherine Khulman - an acknowledged divine healer DIED from heart disease in Ann Arbor Michigan.
    A.A. Allen - an acknowledged divine healer and exorcist DIED from alcohol & drug abuse.
    Aimee Semple McPherson - an acknowledge divine healer - died of a barbituate overdose. Why was she taking pills in the first place? Wasn't the "peace" of God enough for her?
    Jack Coe - an acknowledged divine healer DIED from disease.

Miracle workers who couldn't heal at all!

"Heal! I say, HEEAALL! Why don't you get up? Rise and walk you sinner, if you would confess, you wouldn't be crippled! If you don't have the faith to get up and walk...you deserve to be stuck right there!" so says Ken Copeland, Kenneth Hagin, and other health, wealth, & prosperity teachers who claim to teach Biblical Christianity, but do they?.... Copeland goes on..."When I read in the Bible where He [God] says "I AM", I just smile and say, 'Yes, I AM too.'" (Believer's Voice of Victory Broadcast, 7/9/1987) "God intends for His people to be united, and, that union won't be based on doctrine [the Bible]" (Copeland - Believer's Voice... - 12/88).


The Pensacola News Journal. No medical proof of 'miraculous healings' Church does not keep records, Nov 20, 1997
By Kimberly Blair News Journal staff writer

PENSACOLA -Night after night, revival leaders tell the crowds that healings are occurring and growing more powerful. "I know now that we could all get to the place where the dead are raised," evangelist Steve Hill said in a November 1996 article in "Ministries Today," a magazine for Christian leaders. "We 're seeing miraculous healings, cancerous tumors disappear and drug addicts immediately delivered."

But the Brownsville Revival has not provided medical documentation of spontaneous healing and does not keep a file of names of people who say they were healed.

The News Journal found several people who say their conditions were healed or improved as a direct result of the revival, but none had medical proof.

Most stories are anecdotal. For example, Dave Collins, a charter bus owner from Oklahoma City, told the News Journal that a woman who rode on his bus brought her daughter to the revival to cure a rare disease that caused her daughter 's foot to turn backwards.

"The doctor was about to have the foot amputated. They went to revival and had an anointing healing service. The foot straightened out," Collins said.

No records

The News Journal could not interview the woman because Collins would not give her name or address. The church said it did not have her name because it does not keep records of the healings.

Many Brownsville Revival regulars and staff members believe the revival is on the brink of a breakthrough into wide-scale healings.

Brownsville church business administrator Rose Compton said she believes the healings will start very close to home, with pastor John Kilpatrick being miraculously healed from the injuries he suffered in a fall from the second story at his new house in Seminole, Ala., on Sept. 17.

His healing will signal the beginning of mass healings, she said.

Kilpatrick, however, told the News Journal during an interview three weeks ago that he is not being miraculously healed.

His medical records, which he permitted his doctor to release to the News Journal, confirm that. They show that his injuries are progressing at normal speed.

Kilpatrick did say, however, that many other people were being cured and healed at the revival.

"We have noticed more and more sick people coming in and saying their pain is leaving. We have had people healed of different things," he said. "Some of it is on video tapes."

Compton gave the News Journal one videotaped testimonial produced by a Lima, Ohio, Christian television program, "Turning Point." On the video, Lima resident Sandy Cornell, 44, says she "grew a new esophagus" after attending the revival earlier this year. Her husband, Clarence, asked the News Journal not to call her doctor for verification.

In another case, Rose Elrod, 61, of Oklahoma City told the News Journal she was healed of pancreatitis after attending the revival in September. "I 've been in and out of the hospital 20 times in the last couple of years," she said. "I was in constant pain and couldn 't eat anything." Friday, her third day at the revival, evangelist Steve Hill prayed for her, Elrod said, and she was slain in the spirit. "I laid on the floor 45 minutes with my hand raised," she said. "When I got up I was healed. You are talking about a woman who could hardly make a bed, clean my house, cook or eat. I couldn 't stand." She said she has talked to, but has not been examined by her physician, Dr. James Hogin, since the healing. Hogin, a gastroenterologist at Brookwood Medical Center in Oklahoma City, said he wants to see her. He wants to determine whether she is indeed improved or if she is undergoing a placebo effect.

God 's healing verifiable

"God 's healing is always verifiable," Hogin said. "With true healings, it is not that hard to confirm."

Essie Cox, 75, of Atmore, Ala., told the News Journal that six doctors at two different hospitals in Pensacola and Mobile told her she needed heart bypass surgery to unblock clogged arteries.

"I was prayed for on Saturday, Aug. 2, 1997. I didn 't feel anything immediately. I felt kind of woozy like," Cox said. "My husband kept telling me, 'You are healed.

Three days later, she woke up and felt a complete change, she said. "I had claimed the healing in my heart. I knew I was healed," she said.

Since the revival, Cox said, she has had very few problems with her heart. She is continuing to take her usual dosage of two kinds of heart medication and blood pressure medication, but she said she no longer takes daily nitroglycerin.

Cox 's doctor, Dr. J. Andrew Morrow Jr., with Cardiology Associates in Mobile, said the bypass surgery Cox talked about was an elective surgery and not a necessary procedure needed to maintain Cox 's health.
Wow what an uplifting message. I’m sure you have a lot of friends at work
 

TheLearner

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please explain what you mean ?
Following up is useful to learn what really happened in the church service.
Someone other than the ministry follows up to confirm or report what happened.