I don't mind at all. I have one more for tomorrow, and then I hope to start another thread about John and the Old Testament. Even though the law was weak through the flesh, and the works thereof cannot justify, I think Christians are making a very big mistake if they neglect the study of the law and the prophets. I have found that it really helps seeing the dynamics of Christ Jesus, and how profound and wonderful God has put everything into action. It shows me of His wonder, and also myself, and what He thinks of my life and my heart. I love the scriptures you brought forth!!!!! God bless
Most of the 4 Gospels are part of the Old Testament
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I don't mind at all. I have one more for tomorrow, and then I hope to start another thread about John and the Old Testament. Even though the law was weak through the flesh, and the works thereof cannot justify, I think Christians are making a very big mistake if they neglect the study of the law and the prophets. I have found that it really helps seeing the dynamics of Christ Jesus, and how profound and wonderful God has put everything into action. It shows me of His wonder, and also myself, and what He thinks of my life and my heart. I love the scriptures you brought forth!!!!! God bless
Yes and the battle rages on
Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Galatians 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would
Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places
Philippians 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
So if not born yet of the Spirit of God maybe ask, so we can see with the Spirit eyes in place of the worldly ones?
Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Galatians 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would
Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places
Philippians 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
So if not born yet of the Spirit of God maybe ask, so we can see with the Spirit eyes in place of the worldly ones?
Enemy is one's own flesh. If it were from the outside then to conquer the enemy would not be so difficult, but it is from the inside, not the outside
Mark 7:18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
[h=3]Mark 7:19-21[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
[h=3]Mark 7:22-23[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
Mark 7:18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
[h=3]Mark 7:19-21[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
[h=3]Mark 7:22-23[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
This all shows how Christ is the fulfillment of all Law and the Prophets.
Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Still a great mystery to some not seeing Christ as the fulfilling of the law and prophets as is what he stated he came to do.
Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
then he went out and did the miracles he was directed by Father to do, then after fulfilling in proving he was from God the Father he went to the cross and yelled out:
John 19:30
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
What was finished, did he fulfill the Law and Prophets of the first Testament or did he not?
He did this to bring back to the first Chosen the first Covenant, the Abrahamic Covenant, that God swore to, and comes through with. The Mosaic law was not ever put in place at the time of Abraham, in fact it was 430 years later. It was and is by Faith that Abraham received the promise. So we are brought back to this Covenant, that God made with Abraham. It is by belief and through belief in God that one receives truth from God, not by Law or Laws. The Laws were put in place so we would know we are not whole and in need of new life in God's Spirit living in us and through us. This is why Paul said those under Law are under the curse. Because no flesh can obey Law perfectly. Only Christ could do this, and Christ was born of the Virgin Mary, and so no other flesh can do what Christ did. And is why being born again in the Spirit of God is necessary in order to be made back whole with God. And why unless one is born again one can't see the kingdom of God.
Thanks
Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Still a great mystery to some not seeing Christ as the fulfilling of the law and prophets as is what he stated he came to do.
Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
then he went out and did the miracles he was directed by Father to do, then after fulfilling in proving he was from God the Father he went to the cross and yelled out:
John 19:30
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
What was finished, did he fulfill the Law and Prophets of the first Testament or did he not?
He did this to bring back to the first Chosen the first Covenant, the Abrahamic Covenant, that God swore to, and comes through with. The Mosaic law was not ever put in place at the time of Abraham, in fact it was 430 years later. It was and is by Faith that Abraham received the promise. So we are brought back to this Covenant, that God made with Abraham. It is by belief and through belief in God that one receives truth from God, not by Law or Laws. The Laws were put in place so we would know we are not whole and in need of new life in God's Spirit living in us and through us. This is why Paul said those under Law are under the curse. Because no flesh can obey Law perfectly. Only Christ could do this, and Christ was born of the Virgin Mary, and so no other flesh can do what Christ did. And is why being born again in the Spirit of God is necessary in order to be made back whole with God. And why unless one is born again one can't see the kingdom of God.
Thanks
We are when we are selfish, been there, could be again, praying not to be. stopping and thinking, asking god for God's words not mine, and considering all things before responding, taking into account the awesome love of God, that "I" never deserved to receive, thanks for your insight, it is helping me.
Refer to posts 180, 187, 191, 192, 197, 198, 199
Leviticus 7:13 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Besides the cakes, he shall offer for his offering leavened bread with the sacrifice of thanksgiving of his peace offerings.
Deuteronomy 26:1-2 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]And it shall be, when thou art come in unto the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance, and possessest it, and dwellest therein;
[SUP]2 [/SUP]That thou shalt take of the first of all the fruit of the earth, which thou shalt bring of thy land that the LORD thy God giveth thee, and shalt put it in a basket, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose to place his name there.
Deuteronomy 26:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And now, behold, I have brought the firstfruits of the land, which thou, O LORD, hast given me. And thou shalt set it before the LORD thy God, and worship before the LORD thy God:
1 Corinthians 15:20 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
Hebrews 12:11 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
Philippians 1:11 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.
Amos 4:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And offer a sacrifice of thanksgiving with leaven, and proclaim and publish the free offerings: for this liketh you, O ye children of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.
Romans 11:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
Leaven expands the mix of the flour, oil, and salt
Flour=word of truth
Oil=spirit of persuasion
Salt=preservative,
Frankincense was offered in the Levitical sacrifice, but is not used with conventional bread. It is a disinfectant, with many other additional attributes. Honey or sugar is used to activate yeast (leaven).
1 Corinthians 5:6-8 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
These next 2 scripture references are proven true. Leaven is carnal without Christ, and the Kingdom of heaven is…….
Well, I’ll let Jesus explain that one;
Luke 13:20-21 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And again he said, Whereunto shall I liken the kingdom of God?
[SUP]21 [/SUP]It is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened. Victory In Jesus
Matthew 4:3-4 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Deuteronomy 8:3 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.
AMEN
Leviticus 7:13 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Besides the cakes, he shall offer for his offering leavened bread with the sacrifice of thanksgiving of his peace offerings.
Deuteronomy 26:1-2 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]And it shall be, when thou art come in unto the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance, and possessest it, and dwellest therein;
[SUP]2 [/SUP]That thou shalt take of the first of all the fruit of the earth, which thou shalt bring of thy land that the LORD thy God giveth thee, and shalt put it in a basket, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose to place his name there.
Deuteronomy 26:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And now, behold, I have brought the firstfruits of the land, which thou, O LORD, hast given me. And thou shalt set it before the LORD thy God, and worship before the LORD thy God:
1 Corinthians 15:20 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
Hebrews 12:11 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
Philippians 1:11 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.
Amos 4:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And offer a sacrifice of thanksgiving with leaven, and proclaim and publish the free offerings: for this liketh you, O ye children of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.
Romans 11:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
Leaven expands the mix of the flour, oil, and salt
Flour=word of truth
Oil=spirit of persuasion
Salt=preservative,
Frankincense was offered in the Levitical sacrifice, but is not used with conventional bread. It is a disinfectant, with many other additional attributes. Honey or sugar is used to activate yeast (leaven).
1 Corinthians 5:6-8 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
These next 2 scripture references are proven true. Leaven is carnal without Christ, and the Kingdom of heaven is…….
Well, I’ll let Jesus explain that one;
Luke 13:20-21 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And again he said, Whereunto shall I liken the kingdom of God?
[SUP]21 [/SUP]It is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened. Victory In Jesus
Matthew 4:3-4 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Deuteronomy 8:3 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.
AMEN
L
I completely agree that it's a mistake to neglect the study of the law and prophets along with the entire bible. Each time I read through the bible or study a specific subject, I find that there's so much more to learn and I believe this is why Jesus said, "man shall not live on bread alone but on every word that proceeds from the mouth of God," and "If you continue in My Word, you are my disciples indeed, and you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free," and "seek and you shall find, knock and the door shall be opened unto you."
The disciples who walked directly with Jesus didn't have a full understanding immediately, and gaining understanding in order to walk in the truth was and is imperative. Proverbs 1 and 2 both go into this. However, Jesus told the disciples that:
John 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
As we continue in ALL of the word, and grow and mature, I believe that we are given more as we're able to bear it and to walk in it, and in that it's out with the old leaven, and in with the new.
God bless you brother
The disciples who walked directly with Jesus didn't have a full understanding immediately, and gaining understanding in order to walk in the truth was and is imperative. Proverbs 1 and 2 both go into this. However, Jesus told the disciples that:
John 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
As we continue in ALL of the word, and grow and mature, I believe that we are given more as we're able to bear it and to walk in it, and in that it's out with the old leaven, and in with the new.
God bless you brother
L
Amen about asking God for HIS words and not our own. I pray that often as well. Even when we do slip up, as I know that I have, when we recognize it I think it's an opportunity for there to be changes made in our hearts.
James 1:19 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:
James 1:20 For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.
Psalms 141:3 Set a watch, O LORD, before my mouth; keep the door of my lips.
L
Another great study Just-me, I'm going to dig in further on the subject of:
"Leaven expands the mix of the flour, oil, and salt
Flour=word of truth
Oil=spirit of persuasion
Salt=preservative,
Frankincense was offered in the Levitical sacrifice, but is not used with conventional bread. It is a disinfectant, with many other additional attributes. Honey or sugar is used to activate yeast (leaven).
I also want to spend more time on the specific scarifies and offerings made because I believe that there's much more to that, and the carnal aspects of human nature that I've yet to understand. Not that these things are not apparent, but still I'm learning.
Strong's Concordance define "Carnal" as:
In Hebrew: 4904 mishkab mish-kawb' from 7901; a bed (figuratively, a bier); abstractly, sleep; by euphemism, carnal intercourse:--bed((-chamber)), couch, lieth (lying) with.
And in Greek:
4559. sarkikos sar-kee-kos' from 4561; pertaining to flesh, i.e. (by extension) bodily, temporal, or (by implication) animal, unregenerate:--carnal, fleshly.
4561. sarx sarx probably from the base of 4563; flesh (as stripped of the skin), i.e. (strictly) the meat of an animal (as food), or (by extension) the body (as opposed to the soul (or spirit), or as the symbol of what is external, or as the means of kindred), or (by implication) human nature (with its frailties (physically or morally) and passions), or (specially), a human being (as such):--carnal(-ly, + -ly minded), flesh(-ly).
There are more definitions as well, but these are some that really stood out to me. I have studied this out, and there are a whole lot of passages throughout the bible that show what the carnal/animalistic (I've had people get very upset with me for using the "animalistic" word in describing the carnal ways of human nature.)
Still, I believe that there's more in the sacrifices that tie further into this.
Some verses that have always stood out to me are:
Psalms 51:16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.
Psalms 51:17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.
Psalms 107:21 Oh that men would praise the LORD for his goodness, and for his wonderful works to the children of men!
Psalms 107:22 And let them sacrifice the sacrifices of thanksgiving, and declare his works with rejoicing.
Thank you for continuing to share your studies. It's a blessing.
I love the song:
"Leaven expands the mix of the flour, oil, and salt
Flour=word of truth
Oil=spirit of persuasion
Salt=preservative,
Frankincense was offered in the Levitical sacrifice, but is not used with conventional bread. It is a disinfectant, with many other additional attributes. Honey or sugar is used to activate yeast (leaven).
I also want to spend more time on the specific scarifies and offerings made because I believe that there's much more to that, and the carnal aspects of human nature that I've yet to understand. Not that these things are not apparent, but still I'm learning.
Strong's Concordance define "Carnal" as:
In Hebrew: 4904 mishkab mish-kawb' from 7901; a bed (figuratively, a bier); abstractly, sleep; by euphemism, carnal intercourse:--bed((-chamber)), couch, lieth (lying) with.
And in Greek:
4559. sarkikos sar-kee-kos' from 4561; pertaining to flesh, i.e. (by extension) bodily, temporal, or (by implication) animal, unregenerate:--carnal, fleshly.
4561. sarx sarx probably from the base of 4563; flesh (as stripped of the skin), i.e. (strictly) the meat of an animal (as food), or (by extension) the body (as opposed to the soul (or spirit), or as the symbol of what is external, or as the means of kindred), or (by implication) human nature (with its frailties (physically or morally) and passions), or (specially), a human being (as such):--carnal(-ly, + -ly minded), flesh(-ly).
There are more definitions as well, but these are some that really stood out to me. I have studied this out, and there are a whole lot of passages throughout the bible that show what the carnal/animalistic (I've had people get very upset with me for using the "animalistic" word in describing the carnal ways of human nature.)
Still, I believe that there's more in the sacrifices that tie further into this.
Some verses that have always stood out to me are:
Psalms 51:16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.
Psalms 51:17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.
Psalms 107:21 Oh that men would praise the LORD for his goodness, and for his wonderful works to the children of men!
Psalms 107:22 And let them sacrifice the sacrifices of thanksgiving, and declare his works with rejoicing.
Thank you for continuing to share your studies. It's a blessing.
I love the song:
Chorus:
"O victory in Jesus,
My Savior, forever.
He sought me and bought me With His redeeming blood;
He loved me ere I knew Him,
And all my love is due Him,
He plunged me to victory,
Beneath the cleansing flood"
"O victory in Jesus,
My Savior, forever.
He sought me and bought me With His redeeming blood;
He loved me ere I knew Him,
And all my love is due Him,
He plunged me to victory,
Beneath the cleansing flood"
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K
The law, mainly the ten commandments show Gods nature. The law of leviticus shows that the only means for the hope of man is the sacrifice of a pure, sinless man. The sheep and goats were symbolic of the truth that Jesus would come and be the lamb that "takes away the sins of the world". There is no fruit in these sacrifices, it does nothing for you and it is impossible to do. There is no temple or tabernacle, there is no brazen altar and there is no fire.
There is only Jesus and our faith placed in His work at the cross. The sacrifices of lambs showed their faith in the lamb to come and only covered their sin and did not remove it. Thank God for the lamb Jesus Christ!!!!!
What law can you obey to be free from the law, ask Paul.
There is only Jesus and our faith placed in His work at the cross. The sacrifices of lambs showed their faith in the lamb to come and only covered their sin and did not remove it. Thank God for the lamb Jesus Christ!!!!!
What law can you obey to be free from the law, ask Paul.
I think Kerry, they might know this, and have chosen to serve God in this way, and it is God that knows one's true Motives. For that is what is going to be Judged is our motive, for in what we do, as to the why we did it. That is at least clear to me. When he says to those he never knew them, those that say but Lord "I" did this and that in your name, and he states he does not know those that work iniquity, being out for the self. Just My opinion in this matter overall
L
Hi homwarbound and Kerry, It's not so much "motive," for me, but desire to study, seek, understand and apply the word to my life.
When the law comes into discussions, many times there's an assumption that it is the main focus of the person who mentioned it. For me personally, studying the entire bible, including the law in conjunction with the gospel and the teachings of Paul brings more clarity than I ever imagined. When I first started to study the word, I stuck with the gospels as i assumed that the "OT" had no relevance, but when I committed to read the entire word, there were connections from the beginning to end that I could not deny.
Proverbs 19:21 There are many devices in a man's heart; nevertheless the counsel of the LORD, that shall stand.
Acts 20:27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.
This passage (below) to me, is one of several examples that bring the whole word together.
1 Corinthians 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1 Corinthians 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
We start off natural, all of us. But in Christ the spiritual is understood.
The whole counsel of God begins in Genesis.
When the law comes into discussions, many times there's an assumption that it is the main focus of the person who mentioned it. For me personally, studying the entire bible, including the law in conjunction with the gospel and the teachings of Paul brings more clarity than I ever imagined. When I first started to study the word, I stuck with the gospels as i assumed that the "OT" had no relevance, but when I committed to read the entire word, there were connections from the beginning to end that I could not deny.
Proverbs 19:21 There are many devices in a man's heart; nevertheless the counsel of the LORD, that shall stand.
Acts 20:27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.
This passage (below) to me, is one of several examples that bring the whole word together.
1 Corinthians 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1 Corinthians 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
We start off natural, all of us. But in Christ the spiritual is understood.
The whole counsel of God begins in Genesis.
Yes my friend you are correct. I appreciate it that you and Least understand the value of this thread that it is not trying to teach that the law is something that God never intended from the first. The purpose is to give understanding of the reason why the scriptures have been preserved for us as they have, and the truth about how the entire Bible all fit together in perfection. Not according to the understanding of the carnal miind, but according to the beauty of God's foreknowledge. Thanks