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1. i'm not sure that enough records and objects survived the passage of time for us to be certain that the Israelites were the first to ever blow in an animal horn & make a noise, or to cast a metal horn, which i think is more likely to be what you are suggesting, but that's a pretty interesting thing to look into.
2. the Egyptian sistrum is much like a tambourine / timbrel --
what about Psalm 150:4 --
"Praise him with timbrel and dancing, praise him with the strings and the pipe!"
(in the NIV) -- that seems to be mentioning a "flute" (i.e. pipe) in a good light?
3. also Isaiah 30:29 -- "You will have a song, as in the night when a holy feast is kept, and with gladness of heart, as when one goes with a flute to come to YHWH's mountain, to Israel's Rock."
regardless, it is as you say, 'the other way around' --
1 Cor. 10:5
"we demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ"
like the people called to him out of the gentiles - the "unclean vessels" put to holy purpose - if every meat is declared "clean" it seems to me declaring instruments "clean" or "unclean" is petty & the arguments don't hold water.
not every song in the Psalms or elsewhere in the scripture is a song of praise; there are songs calling for judgement, songs of lamenting and regret, songs crying for the destruction of enemies. If we are to be 'speaking to each other in psalms and spiritual songs' (Col. 3:16) i think we're talking about the prosperity gospel if such speech should always be sweet sounding, melodious & feel-good. there's certainly a time for instruction, rebuke, lament, etc.
here in this verse i don't think "sweet soul music" is what is called for; to me it sounds very "metal" in the colloquial sense:
Isaiah 58:1 --
Cry aloud, spare not;
Lift up your voice like a trumpet;
Tell My people their transgression,
And the house of Jacob their sins.
2. the Egyptian sistrum is much like a tambourine / timbrel --
what about Psalm 150:4 --
"Praise him with timbrel and dancing, praise him with the strings and the pipe!"
(in the NIV) -- that seems to be mentioning a "flute" (i.e. pipe) in a good light?
3. also Isaiah 30:29 -- "You will have a song, as in the night when a holy feast is kept, and with gladness of heart, as when one goes with a flute to come to YHWH's mountain, to Israel's Rock."
regardless, it is as you say, 'the other way around' --
1 Cor. 10:5
"we demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ"
like the people called to him out of the gentiles - the "unclean vessels" put to holy purpose - if every meat is declared "clean" it seems to me declaring instruments "clean" or "unclean" is petty & the arguments don't hold water.
not every song in the Psalms or elsewhere in the scripture is a song of praise; there are songs calling for judgement, songs of lamenting and regret, songs crying for the destruction of enemies. If we are to be 'speaking to each other in psalms and spiritual songs' (Col. 3:16) i think we're talking about the prosperity gospel if such speech should always be sweet sounding, melodious & feel-good. there's certainly a time for instruction, rebuke, lament, etc.
here in this verse i don't think "sweet soul music" is what is called for; to me it sounds very "metal" in the colloquial sense:
Isaiah 58:1 --
Cry aloud, spare not;
Lift up your voice like a trumpet;
Tell My people their transgression,
And the house of Jacob their sins.
2. The problem with using the Ps. 150, is that Gentiles are told to praise the Lord in Ps. 117, for example. There is no proof that this is any other than an attempt to be an exhaustive list, not a recommendation.
3. Thank you for finding a Scripture verse to replace the Talmud quote I gave. The verse proves only that the common people used flutes, not that they are recommended.
Your argument is excellent. It depends on what one means by negative context. I am more concerned with the use of the organ in churches (multiple flute instrument) having replaced the praise team in Christian history until recently. The theology underlying the acceptance of the organ was originally literally that it "places the equivalent of all the trumpet players of the levites at the control of one man". The appeal to pride and the replacement of God's Scriptural plan by human reasoning causes me great professional concern. For my purpose, these Scriptures are no contradictions, as one has the flute as a member of a praise team, the other makes it one instrument in the hand of one man, who is climbing the mountain to join others in praise.
Is. 58:1, has another implied meaning. Trumpet is of course shofar here, and what is meant is that you are to call God's judgment as a shofar does. But also, the Hebrew "Teruah" means both the trumpet call, and the shout of joy.