Muslim Mayor: Accept Norms Or Leave

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Dutch Muslim Mayor to Other Muslims: Accept Western Values or Go Back Home

The Muslim mayor of a city in the Netherlands believes he has the authority to speak more directly on the subject of extremism. He did so this week by bluntly telling fellow Muslim immigrants that they either need to accept Western norms or go back to their original country.

Ahmed Aboutaleb, the Moroccan-born mayor of Rotterdam, appeared Wednesday evening on CNN International and further explained the sentiment behind his famous post-Charlie Hebdo attack remarks that “if you do not like it here because humorists you do not like make a newspaper, may I then say you can (edited) off.[SUP]*)[/SUP]”

“The Dutch constitution but also the Dutch society is constructed in very, very interesting basic value and that is tolerance and acceptance,” he told CNN’s Michael Holmes in a clip flagged by RCP. “So the moment you come to the Netherlands, wherever from all over the world and you get a citizenship then you have to at least underline and embrace the constitution and the values of the country.”

Asked whether it might seem “superficial” to tell people to “pack their bags and leave” if they don’t like Western culture, Aboutaleb continued: “It’s a free choice: Be with us, work with us together to construct a ‘we’ society. But if you want to send out of the ‘we’ community, you threaten us, you go to Yemen to learn how to use a Kalashnikov and to come back to citizen society, well, you are not part of my ‘we’ society. You’d better leave...”

Source: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/dutch-muslim-mayor-to-other-muslims-accept-western-values-or-go-back-home/

[video=youtube;xSKurX_qXak]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSKurX_qXak[/video]

[SUP]*)[/SUP]The mayor didn't swear, curse word in text due to bad translation of the dutch
 
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Dutch Muslim Mayor to Other Muslims: Accept Western Values or Go Back Home

The Muslim mayor of a city in the Netherlands believes he has the authority to speak more directly on the subject of extremism. He did so this week by bluntly telling fellow Muslim immigrants that they either need to accept Western norms or go back to their original country.

Ahmed Aboutaleb, the Moroccan-born mayor of Rotterdam, appeared Wednesday evening on CNN International and further explained the sentiment behind his famous post-Charlie Hebdo attack remarks that “if you do not like it here because humorists you do not like make a newspaper, may I then say you can (edited) off.[SUP]*)[/SUP]”

“The Dutch constitution but also the Dutch society is constructed in very, very interesting basic value and that is tolerance and acceptance,” he told CNN’s Michael Holmes in a clip flagged by RCP. “So the moment you come to the Netherlands, wherever from all over the world and you get a citizenship then you have to at least underline and embrace the constitution and the values of the country.”

Asked whether it might seem “superficial” to tell people to “pack their bags and leave” if they don’t like Western culture, Aboutaleb continued: “It’s a free choice: Be with us, work with us together to construct a ‘we’ society. But if you want to send out of the ‘we’ community, you threaten us, you go to Yemen to learn how to use a Kalashnikov and to come back to citizen society, well, you are not part of my ‘we’ society. You’d better leave...”

Source: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/dutch-muslim-mayor-to-other-muslims-accept-western-values-or-go-back-home/

[video=youtube;xSKurX_qXak]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSKurX_qXak[/video]

[SUP]*)[/SUP]The mayor didn't swear, curse word in text due to bad translation of the dutch
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What he said makes sense. What these people have forgotten or maybe not have forgotten is why they left their country for other pastures. If they don't like the grass they are eating in these pastures they uprooted for then by all means go back to the hay they left seeing it had no spiritual nutritional value is why they left in the first.
 
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This guy, King Abdullah II of Jordan, and Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi have more courage and conviction in their little fingers than our "president" has in his whole body.
 
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Asked whether it might seem “superficial” to tell people to “pack their bags and leave”
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That question is exactly what's wrong with liberalism.
 
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Ha ha ha ha ha...

Viligant_Warrior said:
This guy, King Abdullah II of Jordan, and Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi have more courage and conviction in their little fingers than our "president" has in his whole body.
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Nomatter what country you go to, you should be well aware to respect cultural norms. In the Netherlands, a cultural norm is free speech -- Muslims and non-Muslims can say what they like. In some other places in the world, free speech is less wise, and so if you go to any such place it would be wise to watch what you say.

I agree with him. If people don't want to be respectful and live within the legal or cultural bounds of whatever place they reside, then they must expect resistance and perhaps it would be better if the moved somewhere where they have less resistence, or else be willing to put up with it and go against it and such.

The thing about a multicultural liberal democracy is that it allows immigrants to move there, to say what they like and based upon the very tenets of democratic society, to be part of any political or cultural shift. The power of their application in political contexts is tantamount to their number. If Muslims in the Netherlands want a shift and are willing to do it through democratic and peaceful, legal means then well to them -- that's their right.

Non-peaceful means are, however, against the law of that country.
 
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Nomatter what country you go to, you should be well aware to respect cultural norms.Tell that to ISIS. In the Netherlands, a cultural norm is free speech -- Muslims and non-Muslims can say what they like.
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Really?? Is that why Theo van Gogh and British ambassador Richard Sykes are dead? Because Muslims "respected" their free speech and right to opinions not favorable to Islamic extremists? The irony of your statements is amazing for the selective memory displayed.
 
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Really?? Is that why Theo van Gogh and British ambassador Richard Sykes are dead? Because Muslims "respected" their free speech and right to opinions not favorable to Islamic extremists? The irony of your statements is amazing for the selective memory displayed.
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Legality is not natural, physical law. Legally, in the Netherlands, a person can say what they like. Legally, in the NEtherlands, Muslims and non-Muslims have the right of free speech. Whether or not someone uses their natural ability to react and kill people for utilizing that right isn't inherently up to anybody except the people willing to do the killing.

How people react to that, as with all reactions, IS up to whomever might decide to react.

There's no irony in saying that people have a legal right to free speech in the Netherlands, and in other places they don't , so it pays to be aware of cultural norms in order to fit in unopposed in any particular society.

I agree with the politician in the OP.

It's also, nowadays, much more important to be aware of cultural norms across boundaries, of possible reactions. For instance, would it be pertinent ad wise for the American government (or any Western government for that matter) to say ''All Muslims are devil-worshipping ragheads that have no place in Western society?'' Of course it wouldn't.

Neither is it wise (nothing to do with legalities) to draw offensive cartoons of extremists Muslims in a global society where Muslims allover the world, who make up large demographics in many Western countries, can read and see such vitriol and where extremists can respond as we know they sometimes do.

It wouldn't be any wiser for me to walk up outside an American political institution and start shouting ''Allahu Akhbar''.

Cultural norms, customs, and peaceful cohabtation within those cultures, depend upon recognition of various facets of cultural behavior within a given society. I take no sides. I think the Muslims who take offence to Western ideologies while they live in Western countries by choice are as disingeneous as the American Christians who take offence to being flogged in Saudi Arabia for going against their cultural practices.

My pinning blame or being opposed to either party in either circumstance doesn't do anything to stop such occurences.

So yes, the man who spoke in the OP is right; if people don't respect cultural norms, it is disingenuous for them to live there. That said, there is a difference between Muslims opposing cultural practices peacefully in Western secular (not Christian) democratic nations that allow peaceful protest, and Westerners going to a non-secular Islamic state and expecting special treatment.

The laws in the two regions are very different, and any person should be aware of them.
 
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Here is an excellent testimony of a former Jihadist Muslim and what he says about the Muslim incursion into western culture. It is a video!

[video]http://www.israelvideonetwork.com/you-wont-believe-what-this-former-muslim-terrorist-is-saying-about-islam/[/video]
 
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I have seen some say and make comments about free speech....let us be brutal and honest for a moment here....it is not about free speech....it is about accept, embrace and convert to radical islam or lose your head, be burnt to a crisp alive, take one to the back of your head, be buried alive or brutally beaten, raped, imprisoned and then killed.........COME ON and WAKE UP..............!
 
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