My thoughts on religous liberty in a business.

[Jak795]

As gay couples are being accepted into society, one's ability to freely practice their faith in the United States is being suppressed. More and more stories are arising of religious business owners refusing business with gay couples because it would violate their principles they hold.


So if someone stands up for their religious principles and refuse a business proposal that's offensive to them, their singled out and called bigots for not bowing down to society? You know, for a nation that's supposedly all about freedom of choice and choosing how to live one's life. It's certainly one-sided and hypocritical. I support the refusals. Freedom and right's includes everyone. Advocates and nay-sayers alike.

Furthermore, who are these people hurting? They said no because it's offensive to their religious beliefs. They shouldn't be forced to comply with something that they technically have a right and freedom to do. Gays don't want to be told no to marriage because of their sexual orientation. So why should it be any different for a religious person to say no to business that's offensive to them? It's hypocritical.

 

[atwhatcost]

Wellll.... at least I know you've come back since your sixth sense post. How about answering the questions generated by that post, and then go from there.

Otherwise, this is just a monologue.

 

[presidente]

The sad thing is the courts have started to support this madness. If a baker serves homosexuals but turns them down when they ask for a wedding cake, that's a freedom of expression and in some cases a freedom of religion issue. If the business serves homosexuals cookies, then it isn't discriminating over sexual orientation. The baker refusing to bake the cake is refusing based on not wanting to be a part of or endorse immoral activities. The government is trying to get bakers to endorse a philosophy they agree with.

I wish they'd just take all these unnecessary restrictions on freedom off of business and take away all discrimination laws related to who they serve. If the baker pays the rent, he should be able to kick anyone out. If he's racist, let yelp and the media hurt his business. If he doesn't want to serve homosexuals, that's their choice.

In the old days, freedom meant you got to do pretty much what you wanted on your own property if you didn't actually hurt someone or defraud them in some way. Now that most people work for companies, the population and the government doesn't have much respect for the rights of the individual as he works for himself.

A lot of really orthodox Jewish people run their own businesses. They can close for the Sabbath and follow their own religious practices and owning their own businesses gives them that much more freedom. But if you force a Jewish baker not to 'discriminate' based on religion, and define that as making them make Buddha or virgin Mary cakes, that takes away their freedom. It's not really discrimination against he person he's not baking the cake for. Forcing the Jewish baker to make a cake for another religion violates his freedom of religion and freedom of expression. The artist gets to decide what not to express as well. That's also freedom of expression.

 

[mystikmind]

What i would say is this.... if you choose to provide a service to the general public, then you have to think about what that term means 'general public'? If you do not like what that term means, then don't choose to provide a service to the general public.