Napkin/ burial cloth

[bikerchaz]

Saw this on face book

Why did Jesus fold the linen burial cloth after His resurrection?


The Gospel of John (20:7) tells us that the napkin, which was placed over the face of Jesus, was not just thrown aside like the grave clothes. The Bible takes an entire verse to tell us that the napkin was neatly folded, and was placed separate from the grave clothes. Early Sunday morning, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene came to the tomb and found that the stone had been rolled away from the entrance. She ran and found Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one whom Jesus loved. She said, 'They have taken the Lord's body out of the tomb, and I don't know where they have put him!' Peter and the other disciple ran to the tomb to see.. The other disciple outran Peter and got there first. He stooped and looked in and saw the linen cloth lying there, but he didn't go in.


Then Simon Peter arrived and went inside. He also noticed the linen wrappings lying there, while the cloth that had covered Jesus' head was folded up and lying to the side. Was that important? Absolutely! Is it really significant? Yes!


In order to understand the significance of the folded napkin, you have to understand a little bit about Hebrew tradition of that day. The folded napkin had to do with the Master and Servant, and every Jewish boy knew this tradition.

When the servant set the dinner table for the master, he made sure that it was exactly the way the master wanted it...

The table was furnished perfectly, and then the servant would wait, just out of sight, until the master had finished eating, and the servant would not dare touch that table, until the master was finished. Now, if the master were done eating, he would rise from the table, wipe his fingers, his mouth, and clean his beard, and would wad up that napkin and toss it onto the table.


The servant would then know to clear the table. For in those days, the wadded napkin meant, 'I'm done.'

But if the master got up from the table, and folded his napkin, and laid it beside his plate, the servant would not dare touch the table, because........... The folded napkin meant, 'I'm coming back!'


He is Coming Back!

 

[Chuckt]

If the body was stolen, there wouldn't be a cloth.
If the disciples ripped the clothes off and stole the body, they wouldn't have taken the time to fold it.

 

[Miri]

It is from the following:


http://www.propheticrevelation.net/misc/the_folded_napkin.htm




But it also goes on to say the following


These two verses tell us, that like the head of Jesus which was wrappedby
a napkin or kerchief (“soudarion”/“sudarium”), the body of Jesus was also
wrapped around (swathed) by a linen cloth.

On the day of Christ’s resurrection, we read in John 20:12 that Mary
Magdalene "saw two angels in white sitting, one at the head and the
other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain". Their sitting positions
indicate to us that the area between them contains the evidence to prove
that Jesus Christ has resurrected. In that spot was where the shroud and
kerchief (“soudarion”/“sudarium”) still lie – wrapped up ("

Peter and John had seen the grave clothes before Mary Magdalene. John 20:4-8 reads:
"So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came
first to the sepulchre. And he stooping down, and looking in, saw the linen
clothes lying; yet went he not in. Then cometh Simon Peter following him,
and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie, And the napkin,
that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together
in a place by itself. Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to
the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed."

John was the first to reach the sepulchre. He stooped and looked in, and he saw
the linen clothes. But what made him stop short of going into the sepulchre for
a closer look? I believe that John was momentarily shaken in what he saw. He
probably could not believe his eyes. By then Peter had arrived and entered into
the sepulchre. He saw where the linen clothes (shroud) lay and also the
napkin (“soudarion”/“sudarium”) for Christ's head) lying by itself and not with
the shroud. And the grave clothes were both still in a wrapped state. This is what
caught the eyes of the Apostle John. And when he went into the sepulchre right
after Peter, once again he saw, and then he believed.

John had witnessed the evidence that Jesus had resurrected, that His body was
not stolen by friends or foes. Had Jesus' body been stolen, the thieves would
not have had the time to unwrap Him.

The evidence of the intact and not unwrapped grave clothes, both the shroud and
the "sudarium" prove that Jesus Christ rose up, from His sleeping position, right
though the wrappings, and then passed through the wall of the sepulchre in His
resurrected glorified body! Amen. He was unlike Lazarus who need to be loosed
from his wrappings after He raised him from the dead (John 11:44).

 

[Yonah]

if you do careful study you see the word "folded" does not actually apply, what is implied as that this "napkin" was positioned where the head should have been it retained the shape... its as if his body was removed from within the wrappings without them being unwrapped... please study this out more before you make a judgment.

 

[Miri]

In all fairness to the OP, there are lots of different ideas out there,
as there are in CC. There is nothing wrong with exploring all of these.

 

[JesusIsAll]

if you do careful study you see the word "folded" does not actually apply, what is implied as that this "napkin" was positioned where the head should have been it retained the shape... its as if his body was removed from within the wrappings without them being unwrapped... please study this out more before you make a judgment.

That's true, you can't find this "folded" business explicit in the Bible text. I recall there was this thing going around, how the Lord folded the head cloth, because it was a statement involving an ancient Jewish person finished with a meal would fold their napkin to signal they're done, and Christ was leaving a message He is finished. Turns out, an investigator found nothing in Bible history regarding this, and Orthodox Jews said they'd never heard anything of the kind. Would they call that a theological urban legend?

 

[JesusIsAll]

Something in the Bible account you never see considered, in these documentaries exploring the authenticity of the Shroud of Turin, at least none of a couple documentaries I've seen, is how the Bible account wouldn't lend credence to the Lord's face being on the body cloth. It's always seemed that, as usual, scripture doesn't get in the way of the Vatican.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Saw this on face book

Why did Jesus fold the linen burial cloth after His resurrection?


The Gospel of John (20:7) tells us that the napkin, which was placed over the face of Jesus, was not just thrown aside like the grave clothes. The Bible takes an entire verse to tell us that the napkin was neatly folded, and was placed separate from the grave clothes. Early Sunday morning, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene came to the tomb and found that the stone had been rolled away from the entrance. She ran and found Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one whom Jesus loved. She said, 'They have taken the Lord's body out of the tomb, and I don't know where they have put him!' Peter and the other disciple ran to the tomb to see.. The other disciple outran Peter and got there first. He stooped and looked in and saw the linen cloth lying there, but he didn't go in.


Then Simon Peter arrived and went inside. He also noticed the linen wrappings lying there, while the cloth that had covered Jesus' head was folded up and lying to the side. Was that important? Absolutely! Is it really significant? Yes!


In order to understand the significance of the folded napkin, you have to understand a little bit about Hebrew tradition of that day. The folded napkin had to do with the Master and Servant, and every Jewish boy knew this tradition.

When the servant set the dinner table for the master, he made sure that it was exactly the way the master wanted it...

The table was furnished perfectly, and then the servant would wait, just out of sight, until the master had finished eating, and the servant would not dare touch that table, until the master was finished. Now, if the master were done eating, he would rise from the table, wipe his fingers, his mouth, and clean his beard, and would wad up that napkin and toss it onto the table.


The servant would then know to clear the table. For in those days, the wadded napkin meant, 'I'm done.'

But if the master got up from the table, and folded his napkin, and laid it beside his plate, the servant would not dare touch the table, because........... The folded napkin meant, 'I'm coming back!'


He is Coming Back!

Sorry, I hadn't caught your post. Well, there you go! As mentioned, afraid this napkin folding business doesn't pass muster, with real Bible historians or Jews. It's a nice story, but that's all it is, by the evidence, or lack thereof. Would have to add, I've always had a problem with things being fabricated to support the Bible, no matter the intentions perhaps good. Absolute truth is important, as a reflection upon the faith being of truth.

 

[posthuman]

The Gospel of John (20:7) tells us that the napkin, which was placed over the face of Jesus, was not just thrown aside like the grave clothes.

i heard this on the radio the other morning - not sure who it was, might have been dr. Dobson?

he was explaining that according to John's account of he & Peter racing to the tomb, John remained outside, but Peter went straight in. then John went in after him, and he "saw and believed" (John 20:8).

so what was it about what he saw that would cause him to believe? this is how the one preaching said:
a pile of burial clothes in a heap would not cause one to believe. someone might have unwrapped the body and left the linens. no, what John must have seen was the linens, which would have been carefully wrapped tightly around the body and stuffed with pounds of herbs and spices, still in the shape of the body itself, not having been unwrapped at all, but as if the body that were within them had simply disappeared or passed right through the burial cloths and spices as if it had suddenly ceased being solid, and become like spirit.
this is the only thing he could have seen, that would make him immediately believe!

a bit of speculation, yes, but wow! what a beautiful thought & image

 

[4enlightment]

Saw this on face book

Why did Jesus fold the linen burial cloth after His resurrection?


The Gospel of John (20:7) tells us that the napkin, which was placed over the face of Jesus, was not just thrown aside like the grave clothes. The Bible takes an entire verse to tell us that the napkin was neatly folded, and was placed separate from the grave clothes. Early Sunday morning, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene came to the tomb and found that the stone had been rolled away from the entrance. She ran and found Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one whom Jesus loved. She said, 'They have taken the Lord's body out of the tomb, and I don't know where they have put him!' Peter and the other disciple ran to the tomb to see.. The other disciple outran Peter and got there first. He stooped and looked in and saw the linen cloth lying there, but he didn't go in.


Then Simon Peter arrived and went inside. He also noticed the linen wrappings lying there, while the cloth that had covered Jesus' head was folded up and lying to the side. Was that important? Absolutely! Is it really significant? Yes!


In order to understand the significance of the folded napkin, you have to understand a little bit about Hebrew tradition of that day. The folded napkin had to do with the Master and Servant, and every Jewish boy knew this tradition.

When the servant set the dinner table for the master, he made sure that it was exactly the way the master wanted it...

The table was furnished perfectly, and then the servant would wait, just out of sight, until the master had finished eating, and the servant would not dare touch that table, until the master was finished. Now, if the master were done eating, he would rise from the table, wipe his fingers, his mouth, and clean his beard, and would wad up that napkin and toss it onto the table.


The servant would then know to clear the table. For in those days, the wadded napkin meant, 'I'm done.'

But if the master got up from the table, and folded his napkin, and laid it beside his plate, the servant would not dare touch the table, because........... The folded napkin meant, 'I'm coming back!'


He is Coming Back!

7 as well as the cloth that had been wrapped around Jesus’ head. The cloth was still lying in its place, separate from the linen.

But the face cloth was found separated from the shroud of Turin. The had carbon dated it centuries apart from each other, but the image has fitted the image that was on the shroud perfectly.

 

[JesusIsAll]

i heard this on the radio the other morning - not sure who it was, might have been dr. Dobson?

he was explaining that according to John's account of he & Peter racing to the tomb, John remained outside, but Peter went straight in. then John went in after him, and he "saw and believed" (John 20:8).

so what was it about what he saw that would cause him to believe? this is how the one preaching said:
a pile of burial clothes in a heap would not cause one to believe. someone might have unwrapped the body and left the linens. no, what John must have seen was the linens, which would have been carefully wrapped tightly around the body and stuffed with pounds of herbs and spices, still in the shape of the body itself, not having been unwrapped at all, but as if the body that were within them had simply disappeared or passed right through the burial cloths and spices as if it had suddenly ceased being solid, and become like spirit.
this is the only thing he could have seen, that would make him immediately believe!

a bit of speculation, yes, but wow! what a beautiful thought & image

It really is an awesome image, no matter how you perceive it. Something else awesome is how our Lord appeared,

John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

We think of ancient times being pretty primitive, think we're all that, with our technology, but how about that body of the Lord, and clothing? The doors were shut, and the Lord Jesus appears: doors, walls no barrier. You think, let's say, Star Trek being all modern and sophisticated, but that resurrection body makes them look like pikers, primitive, with that transporter machine. The body of the resurrected Jesus is beyond even modern man's advanced imaginings, awesome, and Jesus is real! We will also get to one day be like Him. That's even more awesome!

 

[posthuman]

It really is an awesome image, no matter how you perceive it. Something else awesome is how our Lord appeared,

John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

We think of ancient times being pretty primitive, think we're all that, with our technology, but how about that body of the Lord, and clothing? The doors were shut, and the Lord Jesus appears: doors, walls no barrier. You think, let's say, Star Trek being all modern and sophisticated, but that resurrection body makes them look like pikers, primitive, with that transporter machine. The body of the resurrected Jesus is beyond even modern man's advanced imaginings, awesome, and Jesus is real! We will also get to one day be like Him. That's even more awesome!

(no sacrilege implied or intended)

*poof*​

"peace."​

yes, yes that is incredibly awesome

 

[JesusIsAll]

(no sacrilege implied or intended)

*poof*​

"peace."​

yes, yes that is incredibly awesome

Really, beyond wildest imagination, the level of sophistication and power in those ancient events. And we look at the vast expanse of space, the light years to just the nearest star, the Bible indicating the third heaven, God's abode, beyond the firmament of space. We have Einstein, mass and speed of light, how we just aren't going to get very far and have mass, so much for some spaceship assuming "warp speed." Yet spirits can go to and from God's heaven in a timely fashion, I'm sure the Lord back to His throne in no time, as angels can visit to assist earth situations in realtime. There are forces out there that make our big, insurmountable limitation, the speed of light, of no consequence. Our best science fiction would probably run as caveman videos in heaven, if there were videos. I don't know how we can think we're all that, what there is to have these huge egos over. I find it all very humbling.

Psalms 8:4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?