Pre Trib Rapture Moment 11: What will trigger the rapture?

[PlainWord]

Guys,

I want to weigh in on this mansion discussion but not from the perspective of whether it is a big house with many rooms or not. I will show that John 14 in no way supports a rapture doctrine.

1 "Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me.

2 In My Father's house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also.

I believe what Jesus is saying in other words is this. He is stating fact that He is going to prepare a place for you (all Christians who will die before He returns). Then He is saying that since that statement is a fact then this next statement is a fact also - I will come again and receive you unto myself and that where I am (it will be on earth for the Millennium) that you will be there with me. So the first "YOU" are Christians who die before the Lord returns and the second "YOU" are Christians who are alive and remaining after the Tribulation.

This is the same way of speaking that Paul uses in 1 Thes 4. He uses one fact to prove another fact, notice both use the word IF?:

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.

Paul is saying if we believe that Jesus died and rose again - as a FACT, then believe that God will bring with Him (GOD) those who sleep in Jesus.

In neither passage is Christ or Paul saying that anyone alive was going to be taken to heaven!!!!

Let's not forget, JESUS is GOD. They are one deity. GOD is Omnipresent. So it matters not if there are those in heaven with God and those on earth during the millennium with Christ. Will we not all be with GOD/JESUS/HOLY SPIRIT regardless of where we physically are for the millennium?

 

[Enow]

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Do consider how the wolf will lie down with the lamb for His milleniel reign then. When He comes and defeats Satan & his armies and put him in the pit for a thousand years, what do you think will happen next? A new heaven & a new earth where righteousness dwells.

Isaiah 11:1And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: [SUP]2 [/SUP]And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord; [SUP]3 [/SUP]And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: [SUP]4 [/SUP]But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. [SUP]5 [/SUP]And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins. [SUP]6 [/SUP]The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. [SUP]7 [/SUP]And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. [SUP]8 [/SUP]And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den. [SUP]9 [/SUP]They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea. [SUP]10 [/SUP]And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

Isaiah 65:[SUP]17 [/SUP]For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. [SUP]18 [/SUP]But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy. [SUP]19 [/SUP]And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying. [SUP]20 [/SUP]There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed. [SUP]21 [/SUP]And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them. [SUP]22 [/SUP]They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands. [SUP]23 [/SUP]They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the Lord, and their offspring with them. [SUP]24 [/SUP]And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear. [SUP]25 [/SUP]The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.

 

[Anonimous]

Nope, the NASB is the infallible Word of God. If the Word of God says it, I believe it.

KJV is a rip-off of the Geneva Bible which is the Bible of the Reformation. KJV is really a late-post Reformation version.

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[john832]

Do consider how the wolf will lie down with the lamb for His milleniel reign then. When He comes and defeats Satan & his armies and put him in the pit for a thousand years, what do you think will happen next? A new heaven & a new earth where righteousness dwells.

The New Heavens and New Earth occur after the Millenium, after the Great White Throne Judgment and after the Lake of Fire. The chronology of these events is given to us in Rev 20 and 21...

The Millenium...

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

The Great White Throne Judgment...

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

The Lake of Fire...

Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

The New Heavens and New Earth...

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

(Remember, in the original, there were no chapters and verses. This was a continous writing.)