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Sorry, not a fan of John Piper after watching his reaction to a question about submission in an abusive marriage. He started off by laughing (
), said a lot of ignorant/insensitive/unrelated stuff, and began wrapping up by saying, "she [abuse victim] endures being smacked around for a night (O.O) before going to her church for help" (no police report??).
If you can't see the glut of problems with the above statement, then only the Lord can help you at this point. FOUR YEARS LATER, he CLARIFIED—not APOLOGIZED—his statement; but it was rubbish. The short version is that he puts a woman's duty of submission as a higher priority than not getting abused. The crux of any advice to abuse victims is, "Get out now!" followed by, "It's not your fault." Any advice doesn't agree with that is denying the abuse victim's full personhood and civil right of autonomy. And if John Piper doesn't view me as fully human, then I don't give a rat's rear end about anything else he would try to say to me.
), said a lot of ignorant/insensitive/unrelated stuff, and began wrapping up by saying, "she [abuse victim] endures being smacked around for a night (O.O) before going to her church for help" (no police report??).If you can't see the glut of problems with the above statement, then only the Lord can help you at this point. FOUR YEARS LATER, he CLARIFIED—not APOLOGIZED—his statement; but it was rubbish. The short version is that he puts a woman's duty of submission as a higher priority than not getting abused. The crux of any advice to abuse victims is, "Get out now!" followed by, "It's not your fault." Any advice doesn't agree with that is denying the abuse victim's full personhood and civil right of autonomy. And if John Piper doesn't view me as fully human, then I don't give a rat's rear end about anything else he would try to say to me.
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John Piper is just a mere human like you or I,
I wouldn't take it too personally.
I wouldn't hold any pastor to a standard of perfection, especially with the nature that resides in us.
I will say though that I still enjoy his messages. I find an honest, loving, and eager message.
Thank you for your imput
I wouldn't take it too personally.
I wouldn't hold any pastor to a standard of perfection, especially with the nature that resides in us.
I will say though that I still enjoy his messages. I find an honest, loving, and eager message.
Thank you for your imput
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I wish I could still think like that. The truth is that spousal abuse is a worse problem in the conservative churches than in the world around them. They are the perfect breeding ground for it with the over-emphasis of submission and the lack of action. The few women who go to their pastors for help are mostly told to go home, pray, and submit to the monster they married.
As a rule, I give people the benefit of the doubt, but sometimes a person's true nature comes seeping out. His response indicates his prioritization of submission and his indifference to abuse. Those aren't mere mistakes or slips of the tongue; they are evidence of spiritual rot. No, it's not blatant. It's incredibly precise, so subtle that most of the world either dismisses it as a quirk or doesn't even see it at all. If you see a danger ahead, you can avoid it. But if it's looks like it's safe, you'll parade that Trojan horse right through the middle of town. [I know that's the opposite of subtle but my metaphors fail me after 1 am]
As a rule, I give people the benefit of the doubt, but sometimes a person's true nature comes seeping out. His response indicates his prioritization of submission and his indifference to abuse. Those aren't mere mistakes or slips of the tongue; they are evidence of spiritual rot. No, it's not blatant. It's incredibly precise, so subtle that most of the world either dismisses it as a quirk or doesn't even see it at all. If you see a danger ahead, you can avoid it. But if it's looks like it's safe, you'll parade that Trojan horse right through the middle of town. [I know that's the opposite of subtle but my metaphors fail me after 1 am]
Sorry, not a fan of John Piper after watching his reaction to a question about submission in an abusive marriage. He started off by laughing (), said a lot of ignorant/insensitive/unrelated stuff, and began wrapping up by saying, "she [abuse victim] endures being smacked around for a night (O.O) before going to her church for help" (no police report??).
If you can't see the glut of problems with the above statement, then only the Lord can help you at this point. FOUR YEARS LATER, he CLARIFIED—not APOLOGIZED—his statement; but it was rubbish. The short version is that he puts a woman's duty of submission as a higher priority than not getting abused. The crux of any advice to abuse victims is, "Get out now!" followed by, "It's not your fault." Any advice doesn't agree with that is denying the abuse victim's full personhood and civil right of autonomy. And if John Piper doesn't view me as fully human, then I don't give a rat's rear end about anything else he would try to say to me.
), said a lot of ignorant/insensitive/unrelated stuff, and began wrapping up by saying, "she [abuse victim] endures being smacked around for a night (O.O) before going to her church for help" (no police report??).If you can't see the glut of problems with the above statement, then only the Lord can help you at this point. FOUR YEARS LATER, he CLARIFIED—not APOLOGIZED—his statement; but it was rubbish. The short version is that he puts a woman's duty of submission as a higher priority than not getting abused. The crux of any advice to abuse victims is, "Get out now!" followed by, "It's not your fault." Any advice doesn't agree with that is denying the abuse victim's full personhood and civil right of autonomy. And if John Piper doesn't view me as fully human, then I don't give a rat's rear end about anything else he would try to say to me.
Your quote against John Piper was out of context...
[video=youtube;3OkUPc2NLrM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OkUPc2NLrM[/video]
Granted I do see where/how his advice can be insulting... But show me how it is biblically wrong?
Excellent sermon about seeking after God's will instead of being enslaved to our own.
Thank you for sharing it, Blueorchidjd.
Here is a brief John Piper sermon jam I put together about thirsting after God, which you may like as well. Enjoy!
[video=youtube_share;j0kM22WPuK8]http://youtu.be/j0kM22WPuK8[/video]
Thank you for sharing it, Blueorchidjd.
Here is a brief John Piper sermon jam I put together about thirsting after God, which you may like as well. Enjoy!
[video=youtube_share;j0kM22WPuK8]http://youtu.be/j0kM22WPuK8[/video]