Okay so as i am sure many of you know there are many thread where there is a constant debate on sin, being a sinner, being holy and such. I have read in the bible the hearts of man is evil, i have heard the doctrine how because of adam every baby that is born is born under the wrath and judgment of god because of sin. and there are some who claim to be without sin because they refuse to sin. Is this really what being a christian has come down to? It's no wonder people mock us christians and call us hypocrites. first i would like to state that if the hearts of man is truly evil why did god love us and save us? to me I think he sees something deeper, something that not even the devil can look far enough. I think every baby born into this world is in the fathers arms not his wrath and judgment. I mean are you kidding me? does that really sound like the kind and caring father he is? And Is the topic of sin and being holy really so important that we stop seeking god? I think it's a trap made by the devil, i think he has got us so busy debating about sin and stuff we take our focus of God. I understand that correction is neccesary, I understand that i myself have much to learn in the ways of the Lord. but i have seen people who are christians on here say horrible things about each other. things that are certainly not christ like. I have seen scripture twisted and picked apart to fit a certain belief, i have seen people use scripture as a weapon to harm not correct or save. well i am putting my foot down, I will instead seek the lord's heart instead of falling into this trap that sadly many will stay in. I judge no one as it is certainly not my place to judge or condemn anyone, that is for Jesus to do. And if i have said something bad or judgmental to anyone i am sorry
The on going war of sin and holiness
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[h=3]Matthew 8:5-13[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[h=3]The Faith of the Centurion[/h][SUP]5 [/SUP]When Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to him, asking for help. [SUP]6 [/SUP]“Lord,” he said, “my servant lies at home paralyzed, suffering terribly.”
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Jesus said to him, “Shall I come and heal him?”
[SUP]8 [/SUP]The centurion replied, “Lord, I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. But just say the word, and my servant will be healed. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and that one, ‘Come,’ and he comes. I say to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.”
[SUP]10 [/SUP]When Jesus heard this, he was amazed and said to those following him, “Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. [SUP]11 [/SUP]I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. [SUP]12 [/SUP]But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Then Jesus said to the centurion, “Go! Let it be done just as you believed it would.” And his servant was healed at that moment.
[h=3]The Faith of the Centurion[/h][SUP]5 [/SUP]When Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to him, asking for help. [SUP]6 [/SUP]“Lord,” he said, “my servant lies at home paralyzed, suffering terribly.”
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Jesus said to him, “Shall I come and heal him?”
[SUP]8 [/SUP]The centurion replied, “Lord, I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. But just say the word, and my servant will be healed. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and that one, ‘Come,’ and he comes. I say to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.”
[SUP]10 [/SUP]When Jesus heard this, he was amazed and said to those following him, “Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. [SUP]11 [/SUP]I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. [SUP]12 [/SUP]But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Then Jesus said to the centurion, “Go! Let it be done just as you believed it would.” And his servant was healed at that moment.
Yes Blain bottom line, God just loves us all and this is shown by the cross, now many would endure the shame the he endured from the people yelling crucify him. This in itself really says a whole lot about God the Father, but was not seen at the time until the resurrection and he hung out for forty days teaching the disciples why all this had to be in order to free us from stressing out and be made alive in him just like at the resurrection. This is mind boggling being taught all of our lifes to work at it and get others to be pleased at you by what you do, geared towards God when today after the cross it is no waht we do or do not do it is whether we believe or not
[h=3]Luke 18:9-14[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[h=3]The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector[/h][SUP]9 [/SUP]To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: [SUP]10 [/SUP]“Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. [SUP]11 [/SUP]The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. [SUP]12 [/SUP]I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’
[SUP]13 [/SUP]“But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’
[SUP]14 [/SUP]“I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”
Greatest and Least in the Kingdom
1At the same time came the disciples to Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven? 2And Jesus called a little child to him, and set him in the middle of them, 3And said, Truly I say to you, Except you be converted, and become as little children, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. 4Whoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5And whoever shall receive one such little child in my name receives me. 6But whoever shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
[h=3]The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector[/h][SUP]9 [/SUP]To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: [SUP]10 [/SUP]“Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. [SUP]11 [/SUP]The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. [SUP]12 [/SUP]I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’
[SUP]13 [/SUP]“But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’
[SUP]14 [/SUP]“I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”
Greatest and Least in the Kingdom
1At the same time came the disciples to Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven? 2And Jesus called a little child to him, and set him in the middle of them, 3And said, Truly I say to you, Except you be converted, and become as little children, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. 4Whoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5And whoever shall receive one such little child in my name receives me. 6But whoever shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.