Voter paradox: Few would be proud of a Clinton or Trump presidency

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Viligant_Warrior

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Fox News Poll: Proud to have 2016 front-runners as president? Not really.

Nearly four-in-ten American voters are proud to have Barack Obama as president. Fewer voters feel the same way about the top 2016 presidential contenders. A new Fox News poll finds that 36 percent of voters are extremely (20 percent) or very proud (16 percent) to have Obama as president. Forty-one percent felt that way in 2011.

That’s markedly higher than the 28 percent who would feel proud if Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton were president (including 15 percent who say extremely proud). Only one in five (20 percent) would be proud of a President Bernie Sanders or a President Donald Trump.

Ben Carson gets the best ratings on this measure. He not only has the highest number that would feel extremely or very proud to have him in the White House (29 percent), but he also has the lowest number that would not (31 percent).

Question: Why would you want someone to be president if you know you can't be proud of them if they're elected?
 
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Question: Why would you want someone to be president if you know you can't be proud of them if they're elected?
You wouldn't, but I think that's the point -- the people who don't want either as President, probably won't vote, and even if they do vote and spoil their ballots, it still only takes one candidate to get a slightly higher voting percentage than the other in order to be elected. Millions of people spoiling their ballots because they don't want any of the available choices, only shows the government that lots of people didn't want those choices: it doesn't stop one of the candidates actually being elected. That's the issue with Western democracies, there's no way that the majority can pick "option three -- none of the candidates".

If every registered American voter goes to the ballot box, and 40% spoil their ballots, and another 20% vote for Carson, and 10% for Hillary, and 30% for Trump, Trump gets elected to the highest authority in the country, against the will of 70% of registered American voters.

A similar thing happened recently with the Conservative party in the UK. They won only 24.3% of all registered voters. There are 36.4 million registered voters in the UK. 15.7 million didn't vote, 30.7 million did vote, and only 11.3 million voted Conservative. So even if we forget about the people who didn't vote and assume they abstained just out of apathy or laziness, 63% of the people who did vote, didn't want the Conservatives in power, and yet they ended up being the major party in government, with the most seats, the most say, and their party leader as Prime Minister.

How's that a true representation of the will of the people?
 
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It's exactly why I think voting should run on a tier system: Party I most like, party I least like, second choice, third choice. And it should be a matter of proportional representation in a chamber of elected representatives, not a position of total authority given to one single person.

A proportionally represented referendum democracy. That's real democracy. If an issue is of public concern, an exactly proportionately representative elected assembly can vote on it. That means that if the Democrats get 30% of the electoral vote, and the Republicans get 30% of the electoral vote, and 40% of Americans spoil their ballots or don't vote, that the highest possible outcome of any bill passed through Congress would be, if everybody in the chamber voted "yes", a 60% majority in favour, or alternatively a 60% majority not in favour, (because 40% of seats are left empty because 40% of people spoiled their ballots or didn't vote). That's a fair representation of the wishes of the people.

That extra 40% of power should not automatically default to the winning party, or to anybody else. Proportional representation is the only fair way to do things.
 
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Question: Why would you want someone to be president if you know you can't be proud of them if they're elected?
Because he's better than the other choice.

Frankly, I haven't been proud of who I voted for since 1984, oh, and he won! lol