Was Paul a false apostle according to you ?

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Was Paul a false apostle according to you ?

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 6.5%
  • No

    Votes: 43 93.5%
  • I don't know

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
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unclefester

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No Paul spoke in them and also of them as a gift of the Holy Spirit. I don't think that Cornelius was present at the day of pentecost and nor was Paul. In fact was pursuing and imprisoning christians at that time. This exactly what I said, most discredit Paul for this fact or say it was for that day only. By the way, it's not paul they discredit but, the Holy Spirit as He spoke through Paul.
Indeed. Paul did speak in tongues "more than ye all". Paul also encountered more diversity of languages given his task of preaching the gospel to the gentiles ... those who were not of the Jews and of varied languages. Who were they that were "astonished" upon witnessing the miraculous tongues at the house of Cornelius, a Gentile ? Were they not the associates of the apostle Peter ... along with Peter himself ? Were they not Jews witnessing the fulfillment of Peter's vision ...i.e... do not call unclean what I (God) have called clean (the gentiles) ? God showed Peter's associates that He had poured His Holy Spirit upon the Gentiles now as well. The mystery of the gospel revealed. Christ's salvation freely given to all mankind. Neither Jew nor Gentile. There is not one recorded incident in the N.T. where the "tongues" spoken during the era of the pentecost were anything but authentic earthly languages. Not one. When the Holy Spirit spoke thru Paul on his journey's, what tongue was spoken but that which could be understood by the intended hearers ?
 
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DragonSlayer

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The original sin was based on distortion of God's Word.
Nothing new under the sun, the ancient serpent is just doing the same thing today with Paul's epistles and other Scriptures.
There is no contradiction in Scriptures.
If there's contradiction, it comes from distortion of God's Word only.
 
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DragonSlayer

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When Jesus walked the earth, He had 11 apostles and 1 Judas. Today, it seems, there are 11 Judas
per 1 apostle.
I would not tell so. Is there any true apostle nowadays ?
I mean, a real one, not a fake one from a typical mega church ?
The only one still living I know is the apostle John, for Jesus promised to John that John will be waiting for him till His return.
That means the apostle John is still alive somewhere in a desert place on earth.
 

duewell

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Mar 5, 2011
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are you lost ? do you really think to unmake the bible by calling into doubt the teachings of paul because you don't understand them and how they align with the gospels ? i care not for an answer from any who would seek to undo the writings of paul. those who would do away with so much of the new testament are going to easily be able to misquote whats left to support their ideas. i pray you will come to understand the bible through experience.

duewell
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Peace be with you, the ones who say he is a false Apostle, is proven to be a false believer who ignorantly speak against the Holy Bible and against the inspirer of all its written document compiled together and made it into 'the book', the HOLY SPIRIT, the very SPIRIT of the Living GOD.
As it is written, Saul was struct down by great white light, while on his way to Damascus, to further his quest to persecute more Christians, reported to be practicing and growing there. JESUS who adopted us, we who were ones Gentiles, personally appeared to HIS true children of Israel to prepare them to continue to establish the church and to complete GOD's New Covenant for the church. As Saul is one of them who was struck blind by JESUS Himself and personally instructed Saul to journey on to a given place. Saul did not question but obeyed and waited in fasting for further instructions. Then the LORD spoke to a believer in Damascus named Ananias who was afraid of Saul the persecutor, to first understand Saul has been chosen to minister to the scattered Jews and Gentiles, Second, how he must suffer for the message of CHRIST's name sake.
As it is in compiled documentation in the Holy Bible that Apostle Paul's Letters out number the letters of Apostle Peter the Rock the spoken foundation where CHRIST will build HIS church on. Why?
Because the Jews who remain in Jerusalem have a head start because they have remained with the Law of Moses and the Old Covenant. On the other side away from the government of Jerusalem, treated as outsiders, foreigners from their common faith and wealth, consist of scattered Jews and Gentiles. Who need the attention most, that upon Salvation they have come in into the common faith and wealth of Israel, as adopted ones, further need to be build and edified in order to continue in all of them and to bring all as a church into one order, rooted to that one Foundational Teachings of the Gospel of CHRIST, given from the Living GOD by HIS SON?
In other words, the Gentile Church has been given more emphasis and instructions in order to instruct them to come out of their former dog nature, as witnessed by the Apostles themselves in the church and in reports, since many Gentiles were turning to the Salvation of GOD each day.
All the documentations in the Holy Bible which has been inspired and compiled for us in order to be taught and to understand the governing Kingdom of GOD in the midst of all mankind. They conforms our faith from within us as we abide in them all, so much as to manifest as the one body of CHRIST to a perishing world.
Due to pride and misunderstanding of Grace and Truth of CHRIST and the HOLY SPIRIT and the facts in the Holy Bible, there are division among the Body of CHRIST. That is why even in this forum Heaven is witnessing division of faith, by the things of outsiders that one brings into this forum, to highlight and discuss them on and on again and also the thread subjects one post that causes debates and a chain reaction of disputes.
Judge for yourself all you acting heads as leaders big or small, most important or least important, to a family or a group or a church?
1. Biblically are all of this forbidden nature of mankind, happening again till today, were not tolerated then, is it tolerated now by the Living GOD because of HIS Grace and truth through HIS SON, JESUS?
2. Are these not an act of Abomination to the eyes of the Living LORD for our GOD, who is still the Head of the church, who is coming back for all mankind of faith to give an account of their labor?
3. Were all of them HIS lambs and sheeps, strictly and strongly founded on the foundation of the sound doctrine of the Holy Bible?
4. Have the chosen acting heads laid down their positions and lives and dignity, by speaking all that is written in the Holy Bible, as a Living Testimony to all, also with its risks, whether they are consist of good news or bad news, whether they are consist of hurting news or healing news from the Living GOD to HIS people?
5. Compromise, in not telling and highlighting and teaching all the written and given facts, fail to speak as acting heads in concern for the well being of GOD's church?
6. Compromise, just because one might have thought that one knows better what is the practice of true love onto others, that is okay to hold that which is harmful news of GOD to others that might offend them?
7. Compromise, in continuing still, in only speaking the Good News of what is the sealed promise of GOD to all believers which automatically and historically an added thing of GOD that all believers should already know as their GOD given initial faith?
8. Compromise, by allowing the pattern of this world to move freely to flow among the community?

Just imagine the perishing and the lost of GOD's lambs and sheeps, due to malnutrition and failing to feed at the proper time, the Living Word of spirit and life given for all of them. As it is written that, GOD's concern is not for the leaders but HIS concern is for all HIS lambs and sheeps, whom HE purchased by the shed blood of HIS only begotten SON.
 
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jetson

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No, Luke wrote about his conversion and journeys in the book of Acts. Peter, said some wrestle with Paul's letters and teachings to their destruction
 
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Kerry

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Many people try to eradicate Paul's teachings even though the Holy Spirit saw fit to include them in the bible and not the gospel of Thomas nor the Gospel of Peter not the book of Enoch not the book of Jasher nor the gospel of Andrew. Paul preaches the cross and it is an offense to the flesh because the flesh says I can do it when it clearly cannot.
 

WordGaurdian

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Oh YEAH! That's a good idea. Let's rip out the entire Bible and say we believe in it. Before long, people will say LUKE wasn't with Jesus the entire time, so how can he have an epistle. Rip it out. Acts also written by LUKE. So rip it out. So that we take out Paul's work.... that leaves. Matthew, Mark, John, James and Peter. Now we say but Peter betrayed the Lord, so let's rip that out. James, Matthew and Mark fled the scene when Christ was crucified. Let's rip that out. That leaves John. And then some weirdo would argue that Jesus and John had a gay relationship so let's rip that out. Since there is no New Testament, back to Judaism, yah!


Seriously though. If you cannot detect the Holy Spirit within the writings of Paul...you have a BIG problem.
 

JaumeJ

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Many believers have difficulty with Paul because they do not see him foretold in prophecy, but neither are the twelve Apostles.

Others have difficulty because he speaks of himself, yet his works should speak loud enough for his authority after Yeshua.

All anyone need do is believe Yeshua, in so doing they will find Paul is not at all difficult to believe as an apostle, after Paul teaches we belong to Yeshua, not to Paul, for it is Yeshua Who teaches the Gospel, and the Gospel is all we need know for salvation.