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When the gospel was being preached by Paul, as he explained the resurrection of Christ, he noted the following from a prophecy in Psalm:
Acts 13:35
...which the full passage from Psalm 16:10 says...
Psalm 16:10
Now, this word is a Hebrew word that I encourage you to look up because it means "grave" but in many translations it's "hell"...though if we rely on the context of this passage (the part that mentions "corruption"), "grave" looks like a much better fit.
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"There is a great deal of confusion in regards to this question. This concept comes primarily from the Apostles' Creed, which states, “He descended into hell.” There are also a few Scriptures which, depending on how they are translated, describe Jesus going to “hell.” In studying this issue, it is important to first understand what the Bible teaches about the realm of the dead.
In the Hebrew Scriptures, the word used to describe the realm of the dead is Sheol. It simply means the “place of the dead” or the “place of departed souls/spirits.” The New Testament Greek equivalent of sheol is hades which also refers to “the place of the dead.” Other Scriptures in the New Testament indicate that sheol/hades is a temporary place, where souls are kept as they await the final resurrection and judgment.Revelation 20:11-15gives a clear distinction between the two. Hell (the lake of fire) is the permanent and final place of judgment for the lost. Hades is a temporary place. So, no, Jesus did not go to hell because hell is a future realm, only put into effect after the Great White Throne Judgment (Revelation 20:11-15).
Sheol/hades is a realm with two divisions (Matthew 11:23,16:18;Luke 10:15,16:23;Acts 2:27-31), the abodes of the saved and the lost. The abode of the saved was called “paradise” and “Abraham's bosom.” The abodes of the saved and the lost are separated by a “great chasm” (Luke 16:26). When Jesus ascended to heaven, He took the occupants of paradise (believers) with Him (Ephesians 4:8-10). The lost side of sheol/hades has remained unchanged. All unbelieving dead go there awaiting their final judgment in the future. Did Jesus go to sheol/hades? Yes, according toEphesians 4:8-10and1 Peter 3:18-20.
Some of the confusion has arisen from such passages asPsalm 16:10-11as translated in the King James Version, “For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption....Thou wilt show me the path of life.” “Hell” is not a correct translation of this verse. A correct reading would be “the grave” or “sheol.” Jesus said to the thief beside Him, “Today you will be with me in paradise” (Luke 23:43). Jesus’ body was in the tomb; His soul/spirit went to the “paradise” side of sheol/hades. He then removed all the righteous dead from paradise and took them with Him to heaven. Unfortunately, in many translations of the Bible, translators are not consistent, or correct, in how they translate the Hebrew and Greek words for “sheol,” “hades,” and “hell.”
Some have the viewpoint that Jesus went to “hell” or the suffering side of sheol/hades in order to further be punished for our sins. This idea is completely unbiblical. It was the death of Jesus on the cross and His suffering in our place that sufficiently provided for our redemption. It was His shed blood that effected our own cleansing from sin (1 John 1:7-9). As He hung there on the cross, He took the sin burden of the whole human race upon Himself. He became sin for us: “God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God” (2 Corinthians 5:21). This imputation of sin helps us understand Christ's struggle in the garden of Gethsemane with the cup of sin which would be poured out upon Him on the cross.
When Jesus cried upon the cross, “Oh, Father, why have you forsaken me?” (Matthew 27:46), it was then that He was separated from the Father because of the sin poured out upon Him. As He gave up His spirit, He said, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit” (Luke 23:46). His suffering in our place was completed. His soul/spirit went to the paradise side of hades. Jesus did not go to hell. Jesus’ suffering ended the moment He died. The payment for sin was paid. He then awaited the resurrection of His body and His return to glory in His ascension. Did Jesus go to hell? No. Did Jesus go to sheol/hades? Yes."
Read more:Did Jesus go to hell between His death and resurrection? <<<---- this is pretty much the directed answer to a similar question.
In the Hebrew Scriptures, the word used to describe the realm of the dead is Sheol. It simply means the “place of the dead” or the “place of departed souls/spirits.” The New Testament Greek equivalent of sheol is hades which also refers to “the place of the dead.” Other Scriptures in the New Testament indicate that sheol/hades is a temporary place, where souls are kept as they await the final resurrection and judgment.Revelation 20:11-15gives a clear distinction between the two. Hell (the lake of fire) is the permanent and final place of judgment for the lost. Hades is a temporary place. So, no, Jesus did not go to hell because hell is a future realm, only put into effect after the Great White Throne Judgment (Revelation 20:11-15).
Sheol/hades is a realm with two divisions (Matthew 11:23,16:18;Luke 10:15,16:23;Acts 2:27-31), the abodes of the saved and the lost. The abode of the saved was called “paradise” and “Abraham's bosom.” The abodes of the saved and the lost are separated by a “great chasm” (Luke 16:26). When Jesus ascended to heaven, He took the occupants of paradise (believers) with Him (Ephesians 4:8-10). The lost side of sheol/hades has remained unchanged. All unbelieving dead go there awaiting their final judgment in the future. Did Jesus go to sheol/hades? Yes, according toEphesians 4:8-10and1 Peter 3:18-20.
Some of the confusion has arisen from such passages asPsalm 16:10-11as translated in the King James Version, “For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption....Thou wilt show me the path of life.” “Hell” is not a correct translation of this verse. A correct reading would be “the grave” or “sheol.” Jesus said to the thief beside Him, “Today you will be with me in paradise” (Luke 23:43). Jesus’ body was in the tomb; His soul/spirit went to the “paradise” side of sheol/hades. He then removed all the righteous dead from paradise and took them with Him to heaven. Unfortunately, in many translations of the Bible, translators are not consistent, or correct, in how they translate the Hebrew and Greek words for “sheol,” “hades,” and “hell.”
Some have the viewpoint that Jesus went to “hell” or the suffering side of sheol/hades in order to further be punished for our sins. This idea is completely unbiblical. It was the death of Jesus on the cross and His suffering in our place that sufficiently provided for our redemption. It was His shed blood that effected our own cleansing from sin (1 John 1:7-9). As He hung there on the cross, He took the sin burden of the whole human race upon Himself. He became sin for us: “God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God” (2 Corinthians 5:21). This imputation of sin helps us understand Christ's struggle in the garden of Gethsemane with the cup of sin which would be poured out upon Him on the cross.
When Jesus cried upon the cross, “Oh, Father, why have you forsaken me?” (Matthew 27:46), it was then that He was separated from the Father because of the sin poured out upon Him. As He gave up His spirit, He said, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit” (Luke 23:46). His suffering in our place was completed. His soul/spirit went to the paradise side of hades. Jesus did not go to hell. Jesus’ suffering ended the moment He died. The payment for sin was paid. He then awaited the resurrection of His body and His return to glory in His ascension. Did Jesus go to hell? No. Did Jesus go to sheol/hades? Yes."
Read more:Did Jesus go to hell between His death and resurrection? <<<---- this is pretty much the directed answer to a similar question.
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He did not go anywhere.His spirit went back to God when he was crucified
Lk 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
And his body was in the tomb of rock for three days and three nights.
Mt 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
His body did not see corruption, which means it did not decay
Ac 13:35 Wherefore he saith also in another [psalm], Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Ac 13:36 For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption:
Ac 13:37 But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.
The body of Jesus Christ was there in the tomb for three days and three night and on the day of resurrection, Father raised him up by his spirit
Ro 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you
Lk 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
And his body was in the tomb of rock for three days and three nights.
Mt 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
His body did not see corruption, which means it did not decay
Ac 13:35 Wherefore he saith also in another [psalm], Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Ac 13:36 For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption:
Ac 13:37 But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.
The body of Jesus Christ was there in the tomb for three days and three night and on the day of resurrection, Father raised him up by his spirit
Ro 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you
1 Peter 3: 18For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
19By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
19By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
19By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
19By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
19By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
19By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
In the original Greek there are no verses, or punctuation, so Luke 23v43 makes better sense if we read it as:
And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee To day, shalt thou be with me in paradise.
Christ, was telling the thief that he could know that his faith in Him had saved him that day, and he would not need to wait until the resurrection and Millennium kingdom to know.
Christ did NOT go to "Paradise" (which is in Heaven) when He died, His spirit returned to God (Luke 23v46), His body was in the tomb (Luke 23v50) and His soul descended into Hades (Sheol) (Psalm 16v8-11, Jonah 1v17, 2v2, Matt 12v40, Acts 2v23-33, Rom 10v7, Eph 4v8-10, 1Peter 3v18-20, 4v6, Rev 1v18) to make atonement for sin suffering the pangs of death.(Isaiah 53v10).
Having made atonement for sin, He was quickened in spirit and proclaimed His victory over, sin, Hades, death, the Devil and his evil angels to the evil angelic spirits who rebelled in the time of Noah, however none of them repented as they were all irrevocably hardened in sin (Gen 6v1-8, Col 1v20, 1Peter 3v18-20, 2Peter 2v4), He then preached the Gospel to the wicked and ignorant dead (1Peter 4v6), then He crossed the great gulf between them (Luke 16v19-31) and the Old Testament saints who died in faith and preached the Gospel to them (Heb 2v14,15), He then lead all who had received the Truth out of Hades, His soul and spirit then entered back into His body and He was resurrected, He then had a brief discussion with the women to encourage them, then He ascended into Heaven with those He had lead out of Hades, being given a great triumphant choral welcome into Heaven, the first thing He then did was gave ministry and spiritual gifts to the Church. Psalm 24, John 16v7, 20v14-17, 1Cor 12v7-11, Eph 4v8-16
The context of 1Peter 4v5,6 is physical death and NOT spiritual death.
ALL the early church fathers believed most emphatically that Our Lord's soul stripped of its body (which was in the tomb, His spirit having returned to God), descended into Hades (the Abyss) and there having made atonement, He preached to the spirits in prison, the wicked and ignorant dead and the OT saints who had died in faith.
1) Irenaeus says explicitly that the Lord “descended into the regions beneath the earth, preaching His advent there also, and there mission of sins ready for those who believe in Him,” and he also states that remission of sins was received by, “all who had hopes towards Him, who proclaimed His advent and submitted to His dispensations.” Irenaeus 4.27,2.
2) Justin accused the Jews of mutilating a prophecy of Jeremiah's, which had read, “The Lord God, the Holy One of Israel, remembered those His dead who slept in the dust of the grave, and descended to them to proclaim to them His salvation.”
3) Clement of Alexander preached thatthe souls of the Heathen as well as Jews benefited from the revelation of Christ to them in Hades. The Jews being in bonds to the burden of the Law, and the Heathen being “those in darkness,” received the proclamation of the truth of the Gospel from Jesus. This proclamation involved the offer of salvation,and the possibility of repentance and forgiveness of all the sins that a manhad committed in ignorance, when not clearly knowing God.
4) Origen Clement's pupil, as we have already stated, believed that Jesus preached to the dead. A famous infidel named Celsus was speaking with Origen and ridiculed this widespread belief of the Church, he said, “I suppose Christ, when He failed to persuade the living, went down to Hades to persuade those who live there?” Origen answered him, “Whether it please Celsus or no, we of the Church assert that the soul of our Lord, stripped of its body, did there hold converse with other souls, that were in like manner stripped, that He might there convert those who were capable of instruction, orwere otherwise in ways known to Him fit for it.” Origen c. Celsum, 2.43.
5) Tertullian also stated that the belief that Jesus descended into Hades and preached there, had been held in the Church since thedays of the apostles, his testimony is of great value since Tertullian censured anything that was new.
6) Cyril of Jerusalem states, in beautiful picturesque language,that: “The holy prophets ran unto Him {Jesus}, and Moses the law giver, and Abraham and Isaac and Jacob; David also and Samuel, and Isaiah and John the Baptist, who bore witness when he asked, Art thou He that should come, or look we for another? All the just were ransomed whom death had devoured, for it behoved the King who had been heralded to become the redeemer of His noble heralds. Then each of the just said, O death where is thy sting? O grave where is thy victory? For the Conqueror hath redeemed us.” Cyril Hieros., Catech. 14.9,10.
7) Athanasius said that more than the Patriarchs and prophets were delivered from Hades, he extended the circle of those who Jesus delivered from Hades through His preaching, “and thinks of the souls of Adam as held fast under sentence of death, and crying to his Lord ever more, and of those who had pleased God, and had been justified by the law of nature, as mourning and crying with Him till the mercy of God revealed to them the mystery of redemption.”
Christ's death brought life and immortality to light through the Gospel, so that when the Christian dies although they lose their body, they retain their spirit, and their soul and spirit ascend into God's Presence in Paradise in Heaven. Matt 16v18, 2Cor 5v8, Phil 1v23, 2Tim 1v10, Heb 12v23.
It was Augustine at the end of the 4th Century who changed all the Truth on this subject.
Yahweh Shalom...
And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee To day, shalt thou be with me in paradise.
Christ, was telling the thief that he could know that his faith in Him had saved him that day, and he would not need to wait until the resurrection and Millennium kingdom to know.
Christ did NOT go to "Paradise" (which is in Heaven) when He died, His spirit returned to God (Luke 23v46), His body was in the tomb (Luke 23v50) and His soul descended into Hades (Sheol) (Psalm 16v8-11, Jonah 1v17, 2v2, Matt 12v40, Acts 2v23-33, Rom 10v7, Eph 4v8-10, 1Peter 3v18-20, 4v6, Rev 1v18) to make atonement for sin suffering the pangs of death.(Isaiah 53v10).
Having made atonement for sin, He was quickened in spirit and proclaimed His victory over, sin, Hades, death, the Devil and his evil angels to the evil angelic spirits who rebelled in the time of Noah, however none of them repented as they were all irrevocably hardened in sin (Gen 6v1-8, Col 1v20, 1Peter 3v18-20, 2Peter 2v4), He then preached the Gospel to the wicked and ignorant dead (1Peter 4v6), then He crossed the great gulf between them (Luke 16v19-31) and the Old Testament saints who died in faith and preached the Gospel to them (Heb 2v14,15), He then lead all who had received the Truth out of Hades, His soul and spirit then entered back into His body and He was resurrected, He then had a brief discussion with the women to encourage them, then He ascended into Heaven with those He had lead out of Hades, being given a great triumphant choral welcome into Heaven, the first thing He then did was gave ministry and spiritual gifts to the Church. Psalm 24, John 16v7, 20v14-17, 1Cor 12v7-11, Eph 4v8-16
The context of 1Peter 4v5,6 is physical death and NOT spiritual death.
ALL the early church fathers believed most emphatically that Our Lord's soul stripped of its body (which was in the tomb, His spirit having returned to God), descended into Hades (the Abyss) and there having made atonement, He preached to the spirits in prison, the wicked and ignorant dead and the OT saints who had died in faith.
1) Irenaeus says explicitly that the Lord “descended into the regions beneath the earth, preaching His advent there also, and there mission of sins ready for those who believe in Him,” and he also states that remission of sins was received by, “all who had hopes towards Him, who proclaimed His advent and submitted to His dispensations.” Irenaeus 4.27,2.
2) Justin accused the Jews of mutilating a prophecy of Jeremiah's, which had read, “The Lord God, the Holy One of Israel, remembered those His dead who slept in the dust of the grave, and descended to them to proclaim to them His salvation.”
3) Clement of Alexander preached thatthe souls of the Heathen as well as Jews benefited from the revelation of Christ to them in Hades. The Jews being in bonds to the burden of the Law, and the Heathen being “those in darkness,” received the proclamation of the truth of the Gospel from Jesus. This proclamation involved the offer of salvation,and the possibility of repentance and forgiveness of all the sins that a manhad committed in ignorance, when not clearly knowing God.
4) Origen Clement's pupil, as we have already stated, believed that Jesus preached to the dead. A famous infidel named Celsus was speaking with Origen and ridiculed this widespread belief of the Church, he said, “I suppose Christ, when He failed to persuade the living, went down to Hades to persuade those who live there?” Origen answered him, “Whether it please Celsus or no, we of the Church assert that the soul of our Lord, stripped of its body, did there hold converse with other souls, that were in like manner stripped, that He might there convert those who were capable of instruction, orwere otherwise in ways known to Him fit for it.” Origen c. Celsum, 2.43.
5) Tertullian also stated that the belief that Jesus descended into Hades and preached there, had been held in the Church since thedays of the apostles, his testimony is of great value since Tertullian censured anything that was new.
6) Cyril of Jerusalem states, in beautiful picturesque language,that: “The holy prophets ran unto Him {Jesus}, and Moses the law giver, and Abraham and Isaac and Jacob; David also and Samuel, and Isaiah and John the Baptist, who bore witness when he asked, Art thou He that should come, or look we for another? All the just were ransomed whom death had devoured, for it behoved the King who had been heralded to become the redeemer of His noble heralds. Then each of the just said, O death where is thy sting? O grave where is thy victory? For the Conqueror hath redeemed us.” Cyril Hieros., Catech. 14.9,10.
7) Athanasius said that more than the Patriarchs and prophets were delivered from Hades, he extended the circle of those who Jesus delivered from Hades through His preaching, “and thinks of the souls of Adam as held fast under sentence of death, and crying to his Lord ever more, and of those who had pleased God, and had been justified by the law of nature, as mourning and crying with Him till the mercy of God revealed to them the mystery of redemption.”
Christ's death brought life and immortality to light through the Gospel, so that when the Christian dies although they lose their body, they retain their spirit, and their soul and spirit ascend into God's Presence in Paradise in Heaven. Matt 16v18, 2Cor 5v8, Phil 1v23, 2Tim 1v10, Heb 12v23.
It was Augustine at the end of the 4th Century who changed all the Truth on this subject.
Yahweh Shalom...
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did'nt u see "but quickened by the Spirit" brother? he did that after resurrection. it was not the "body" of Jesus Christ that resurrected on the third day, but Jesus himself.
Ac 2:32 This Jesus (not the body of Jesus but Jesus himself) hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
the angel tole Mary magdalene and Joaanna and Mary
Lk 24:6 He (not his body, but he) is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee,
How can Jesus Christ go somewhere when the spirit is not there in the body...it is clear from the scripture that Jesus gave up his ghost to his father. It is "Jesus Christ" who resurrected on the third day. When it is told he will resurrect only on the third day, is it scriptural to believe that he went on the second day for a tour????i don't think so.i believe the scripture when it says
Ec 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
In Jesus Christ's case his body did not return to the earth, it did not see corruption, but the spirit went back to the God who gave it.
Ac 2:32 This Jesus (not the body of Jesus but Jesus himself) hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
the angel tole Mary magdalene and Joaanna and Mary
Lk 24:6 He (not his body, but he) is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee,
How can Jesus Christ go somewhere when the spirit is not there in the body...it is clear from the scripture that Jesus gave up his ghost to his father. It is "Jesus Christ" who resurrected on the third day. When it is told he will resurrect only on the third day, is it scriptural to believe that he went on the second day for a tour????i don't think so.i believe the scripture when it says
Ec 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
In Jesus Christ's case his body did not return to the earth, it did not see corruption, but the spirit went back to the God who gave it.
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