Why David's Little Boy?

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WebersHome

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Long story short: David committed the capital crimes of premeditated
murder and adultery (2Sam 11:1-2Sam 12:23). As bad as those two crimes
are; what really rattled heaven's cage was that David's conduct was an
embarrassment.

†. 2Sam 12:14a . . Because by this deed you have given occasion to the
enemies of The Lord to blaspheme,

What might the nature of that blasphemy be? Well; behavior like David's
causes the world to question the wisdom of Yhvh's choice of a people for His
name. That's a very common form of blaspheme: it goes on all the time.

†. 2Sam 12:14b-18 . . the child also that is born to you shall surely die . .
.The Lord struck the child that Uriah's widow bore to David, so that he was
very sick . . .Then it happened on the seventh day that the child died.

How was that fair? Well; it wasn't meant to be fair to the boy; it was meant
to be fair to David. His little boy was just collateral damage as per the law
below that Yhvh's people agreed upon with God as per Deut 29:9-15.

†. Ex 34:6-7 . . Then Yhvh passed by in front of Moses and proclaimed:
Yhvh, Yhvh God, compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding
in loving-kindness and truth; who keeps loving-kindness for thousands, who
forgives iniquity, transgression and sin; yet He will by no means leave the
guilty unpunished: visiting the iniquity of fathers on the children and on the
grandchildren to the third and fourth generations.

It is apparently God's prerogative to get back at people by going after their
posterity and/or the people they govern. For example: Ham's punishment
for humiliating Noah was a curse upon his son Canaan. And during Moses'
face-off with Pharaoh, God moved against the man's firstborn son along with
all those of his subjects. But the capper is the 70,000 Israeli citizens who
went to their deaths through no fault of their own because their king
breached the covenant by ordering a census.

Why were so many Jews caught up in the Holocaust? Well; it's really not all
that difficult to figure out. The covenant that Yhvh's people agreed upon with
God as per Deut 29:9-15 is a legally binding contract that obligates Him to
protect His people from misfortune when they're compliant with the
covenant; but at the same time also obligates Him to lower the boom on
them with any number of the curses listed at Lev 26:3-38, Deut 27:15-26,
and Deut 28:1-69 when they breach the covenant.

Now the scary part is: according to Ex 34:6-7 it wasn't necessary for
Europe's Jews to breach the covenant themselves in order to be taken by
the Holocaust. It was only necessary that their ancestors breach it. In other
words; it is my personal conviction that Europe's Jews taken in the
Holocaust were collateral damage just as David's son, just as Ham's son,
just as Egypt's sons, and just as the 70,000. And I really have to wonder
what terrible misfortunes that the Jews of today are heaping upon the Jews
of tomorrow by their current breaches of the covenant; especially seeing as
how more than 50% of the Jews living in the modern State of Israel consider
themselves hiloni (secular).

Interesting isn't it? There are times when Heaven's anger seems to come out
of the blue; but if truth be known; sometimes it actually comes out of the
past.

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sassylady

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The word fair is not in the Bible in the context of what seems right or wrong.
 

oldhermit

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Jul 28, 2012
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#3
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Long story short: David committed the capital crimes of premeditated
murder and adultery (2Sam 11:1-2Sam 12:23). As bad as those two crimes
are; what really rattled heaven's cage was that David's conduct was an
embarrassment.

†. 2Sam 12:14a . . Because by this deed you have given occasion to the
enemies of The Lord to blaspheme,

What might the nature of that blasphemy be? Well; behavior like David's
causes the world to question the wisdom of Yhvh's choice of a people for His
name. That's a very common form of blaspheme: it goes on all the time.

†. 2Sam 12:14b-18 . . the child also that is born to you shall surely die . .
.The Lord struck the child that Uriah's widow bore to David, so that he was
very sick . . .Then it happened on the seventh day that the child died.

How was that fair? Well; it wasn't meant to be fair to the boy; it was meant
to be fair to David. His little boy was just collateral damage as per the law
below that Yhvh's people agreed upon with God as per Deut 29:9-15.

†. Ex 34:6-7 . . Then Yhvh passed by in front of Moses and proclaimed:
Yhvh, Yhvh God, compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding
in loving-kindness and truth; who keeps loving-kindness for thousands, who
forgives iniquity, transgression and sin; yet He will by no means leave the
guilty unpunished: visiting the iniquity of fathers on the children and on the
grandchildren to the third and fourth generations.

It is apparently God's prerogative to get back at people by going after their
posterity and/or the people they govern. For example: Ham's punishment
for humiliating Noah was a curse upon his son Canaan. And during Moses'
face-off with Pharaoh, God moved against the man's firstborn son along with
all those of his subjects. But the capper is the 70,000 Israeli citizens who
went to their deaths through no fault of their own because their king
breached the covenant by ordering a census.

Why were so many Jews caught up in the Holocaust? Well; it's really not all
that difficult to figure out. The covenant that Yhvh's people agreed upon with
God as per Deut 29:9-15 is a legally binding contract that obligates Him to
protect His people from misfortune when they're compliant with the
covenant; but at the same time also obligates Him to lower the boom on
them with any number of the curses listed at Lev 26:3-38, Deut 27:15-26,
and Deut 28:1-69 when they breach the covenant.

Now the scary part is: according to Ex 34:6-7 it wasn't necessary for
Europe's Jews to breach the covenant themselves in order to be taken by
the Holocaust. It was only necessary that their ancestors breach it. In other
words; it is my personal conviction that Europe's Jews taken in the
Holocaust were collateral damage just as David's son, just as Ham's son,
just as Egypt's sons, and just as the 70,000. And I really have to wonder
what terrible misfortunes that the Jews of today are heaping upon the Jews
of tomorrow by their current breaches of the covenant; especially seeing as
how more than 50% of the Jews living in the modern State of Israel consider
themselves hiloni (secular).

Interesting isn't it? There are times when Heaven's anger seems to come out
of the blue; but if truth be known; sometimes it actually comes out of the
past.

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Your are right. The death of the child was as you put it collateral damage of a sort. The death of David's son was in response to the requirement of the Law. By rights, David should have paid for his deed with his life but God spared his life and pronounced upon David the lesser form of payment for his wrong. This was the pronouncement of David himself that the man who had stolen the lamb in Nathan's story should repay four-fold for the theft. This as the requirement of the Law. David would pay for the death of Uriah with the life of four of his sons over the period of his reign. Amnon, Absalom, the child, and Adonijah (who actually died shortly after the death of David), would all die. David would pay four-fold according to the demands of the law for the theft of another man's wife.
 
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How about a couple of thoughts...

1. Under the law David should have paid the price with his life.
2. The 1st born Son of David is a PICTURE of JESUS and the Son of David giving his life in the place of David.

After all, the Son of David took the place of all of us.............

Remember the man who said to Jesus......"Thou Son of David have mercy on me!" Matthew 9:27

and.....

God visited the iniquity of the Fathers unto the 2nd and 3rd generation under the LAW!
 
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oldhermit

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Jul 28, 2012
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How about a couple of thoughts...

1. Under the law David should have paid the price with his life.
2. The 1st born Son of David is a PICTURE of JESUS and the Son of David giving his life in the place of David.

After all, the Son of David took the place of all of us.............

Remember the man who said to Jesus......"Thou Son of David have mercy on me!" Matthew 9:27

and.....

God visited the iniquity of the Fathers unto the 2nd and 3rd generation under the LAW!
Except that the child was not David's first-born. Amnon was his first-born.
 
Dec 12, 2013
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Except that the child was not David's first-born. Amnon was his first-born.
Amen, I stand corrected and I should have been a little clearer as my thoughts were directed at Jesus...... :)



Originally Posted by dcontroversal
How about a couple of thoughts...

1. Under the law David should have paid the price with his life.
2.(CORRECTION) A SON OF David is a PICTURE of JESUS and the Son of David giving his life in the place of David.

After all, the Son of David took the place of all of us.............

Remember the man who said to Jesus......"Thou Son of David have mercy on me!" Matthew 9:27

and.....

God visited the iniquity of the Fathers unto the 2nd and 3rd generation under the LAW!
 
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