Will we see the hand of GOD fighting for Israel in Gaza?

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ZNP

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So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ a spoken of through the prophet Daniel—

It takes place in the Holy of Holies.
No, it clearly says the holy place, that is not the Holy of Holies. In the Holy place you have the shewbread table, lampstand and the incense altar. All the priests can go in there, only the high priest can go into the Holy of Holies and only one day a year.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ a spoken of through the prophet Daniel—

It takes place in the Holy of Holies.
Which doesnt exist, amd can not exist ever again since Christ is available to all.
 

Magenta

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That is confusing because "anti christ" does not mean against Christ. It means "in place of Christ".
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1 John 2:18
Children, it is the last hour; and just as you have heard that the antichrist is coming,
so now many antichrists have appeared. This is how we know it is the last hour.


1 John 2:22-23
Who is the liar, if it is not the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, who denies the Father
and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father, but whoever confesses the Son has the Father as well.


1 John 4:2-3
By this you will know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in
the flesh is from God, and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit
of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and which is already in the world at this time.


2 John 1:7
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, refusing to confess the coming
of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.
 

HeIsHere

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So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ a spoken of through the prophet Daniel—

It takes place in the Holy of Holies.
It was God who abolished the sacrifice, and the abomination was the continuation of atoning animal sacrifice after God had declared it complete!
 

HeIsHere

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The word in Daniel can be translated the "winged idol". That is not referring to Jesus crucifixion.

"He (Messiah) shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; but in the middle of the week (3½ years after his revealing) He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations (ongoing atoning sacrifices) shall be one who makes desolate, (Titus destroys temple) even until the consummation, which is determined, is poured out on the desolate." (judgement on Jerusalem) (Daniel 9:27)

Wing means a span of time.

Fulfilled eschatology is very consistent.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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So your Bible is not literal? Why would you say that?

If the 200 million man army is not human what difference does it make, there was never a 200 million "man" army or whatever in 70 AD.
200 million fire and brim stone breathing horses with lion heads. Checks out that these are not natural.
 

ZNP

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"He (Messiah) shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; but in the middle of the week (3½ years after his revealing) He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations (ongoing atoning sacrifices) shall be one who makes desolate, (Titus destroys temple) even until the consummation, which is determined, is poured out on the desolate." (judgement on Jerusalem) (Daniel 9:27)

Wing means a span of time.

Fulfilled eschatology is very consistent.
Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Overspreading
-- כָּנָף kânâph, kaw-nawf'; from H3670; an edge or extremity; specifically (of a bird or army) a wing, (of a garment or bedclothing) a flap, (of the earth) a quarter, (of a building) a pinnacle:— bird, border, corner, end, feather(-ed), × flying, (one an-) other, overspreading, × quarters, skirt, × sort, uttermost part, wing(-ed).

abominations -- שִׁקּוּץ shiqqûwts, shik-koots'; or שִׁקֻּץ shiqquts; from H8262; disgusting, i.e. filthy; especially idolatrous or (concretely) an idol:—abominable filth (idol, -ation), detestable (thing).

Could translate this as a winged idol.

For example, this statue of Prince Charles called "Savior of the world" which is made 10 cubits high, same height as the Cherubim in Solomon's temple, because they plan to put it in the temple when it is rebuilt.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/mar/06/monarchy.alexbellos
 

ZNP

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200 million fire and brim stone breathing horses with lion heads. Checks out that these are not natural.
The point is we never saw them in 70AD. The Bible doesn't exaggerate, this is something yet to come. Already they are making drones to act with a hive mind so there can be thousands, even millions of them.
 

HeIsHere

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Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Overspreading -- כָּנָף kânâph, kaw-nawf'; from H3670; an edge or extremity; specifically (of a bird or army) a wing, (of a garment or bedclothing) a flap, (of the earth) a quarter, (of a building) a pinnacle:— bird, border, corner, end, feather(-ed), × flying, (one an-) other, overspreading, × quarters, skirt, × sort, uttermost part, wing(-ed).

abominations -- שִׁקּוּץ shiqqûwts, shik-koots'; or שִׁקֻּץ shiqquts; from H8262; disgusting, i.e. filthy; especially idolatrous or (concretely) an idol:—abominable filth (idol, -ation), detestable (thing).

Could translate this as a winged idol.

For example, this statue of Prince Charles called "Savior of the world" which is made 10 cubits high, same height as the Cherubim in Solomon's temple, because they plan to put it in the temple when it is rebuilt.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/mar/06/monarchy.alexbellos
Everything is open to interpretation I suppose but all the pieces have to fit eventually.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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The point is we never saw them in 70AD. The Bible doesn't exaggerate, this is something yet to come. Already they are making drones to act with a hive mind so there can be thousands, even millions of them.
Drones arent fire breathing horses
 

ZNP

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Drones arent fire breathing horses
The debate was over whether or not this already took place in 70AD, so whatever you want to say they are and we obviously do not know, unless you are saying this took place in 70AD it is still to come.
 

JohnDB

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Everything is open to interpretation I suppose but all the pieces have to fit eventually.
When Rome put up a golden Roman eagle above the gates of the temple it was a piece of symbolism.

What that Eagle symbolized is still a viable symbol today. And extremely scary. Too easy to accomplish.
 

JohnDB

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Except the civilians that move in arent returning from refuge, because they are impoverished. They are talmudist and arabs have been permenantly displaced. Becaisebit has happened before and its happening again. Ya see we learn from history.
I don't think that there will be much to return to after Israel destroys everything.
We shall see but the destruction of the buildings seems rather catastrophic.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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I don't think that there will be much to return to after Israel destroys everything.
We shall see but the destruction of the buildings seems rather catastrophic.
Right and who will rebuild?
 

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Well,
Likely the SBC will rebuild the hospital.
The rest? Dunno.

But with Hamas still in power....nobody.
Notice not one Arab nation will offer any help. They only offer weapons.
 
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Why do you assume that God is on Israel's side?
Those that know God's Word know that in the en times the Lord is preserving Israel as He will land there when He returns to start His 1000 year reign and He will rule from Jerusalem.

God still loves Israel and all Israel shall be saved and eventually they will accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior... not to mention He said in His Word that those to curse the descendants of Abraham will be cursed.

And, don't forget.... Jesus Christ is a Jew!



Israel is putting most of their army around Gaza. We will have 2 aircraft carriers off their coast. So much fire power in a close place. I hope we see a miracle happen. Fire from heaven? Maybe?
Some of the end times guys believe the Pslams 83 war has yet to be fulfilled and when it happens only the Lord will have the power to save them from total destruction. Hopefully the US doesn't get nuked in the process!

It'll be interesting to see super natural events the Lord is doing in front of the entire world to save Israel which will probably cause even more hatred against Christians and Jews... but in the process it will cause some to believe Jesus is alive and should be worshiped.

Here's an interesting article about it all posted on the Christians Post:

Psalm 83 Foretells of a Future 10-Member Alliance with Arab Territories
 

montana123

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Why do you assume that God is on Israel's side?

There are plenty of examples in scripture where God stirred up nations against Israel for corrective purposes.
Jer 31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
Jer 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
Jer 31:37 Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

Eze 39:21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.
Eze 39:22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.
Eze 39:23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
Eze 39:24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.

Eze 39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
Eze 39:26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
Eze 39:27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
Eze 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
Eze 39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

God is still on Israel's side, and Israel will never go down.

Isa 31:4 For thus hath the LORD spoken unto me, Like as the lion and the young lion roaring on his prey, when a multitude of shepherds is called forth against him, he will not be afraid of their voice, nor abase himself for the noise of them: so shall the LORD of hosts come down to fight for mount Zion, and for the hill thereof.
Isa 31:5 As birds flying, so will the LORD of hosts defend Jerusalem; defending also he will deliver it; and passing over he will preserve it.

The 6 day war when Israeli jet pilots paved the way to win the war like birds flying, and took control of all of Jerusalem.

God will fight for Israel, and is on their side.