Jerusalems fall

Yes that’s why Jesus came to do this by calling sinners close to him and showing them who god really is who loves them and wants them to come back home so he can forgive everything and heal thier dying souls

“I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭5:32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

thats everyone’s path because we all
Begin as sinners somewhere along e way we prove it by our deeds but again this is why Jesus was eating and talking to and healing sinners saving sinners from the law of Moses which demands rhier blood for sin

This is an apostle sayong this here

“This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭1:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

everything your saying is correct it we have to not see sinners as of they are sin but like God sees them when they believe his children who are being called home to daddy

amen

When a mind accepts that a Christian is a disciple of Jesus it’s a done deal because even if we mess up he teaches us how to deal with being forgiven still in his words. He gives us forebearance while belief heals the sin wounds on our souls

There’s a high calling in Christ but “we follow after that which apprehends is that we also may apprehend the resurrection of the dead “ he’s the one lifting us up and the one who’s going to say to those who believe “ well done come and inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the beginning for you loved others as I loved you when they needed you you fed them and clothed them you visited and co fortes them you listen when they needed an ear you answered the call when they needed you you loved others as I commanded

Amen to all you said also Kayla all of it goes together to form a complete message that saves as we abide and trust we’ve been safe all along because we trust the savior who saves us if o my we turn that mond away like your saying from the darkness and come into the light so this happens

“If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: ( seems harsh so far )

but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.( now we are talking !)

If we say that we have no sin, ( as we hear the word of God in the gospel the light ) we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.( harsh )

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.( lovely and simple )

If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.” ( surely this is death leaving no room for repentance into life )
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:6-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

he can do this for us if we repent ( stop rebelling against the spirit and choosing the carnal way)

“For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I have been reading Ezekiel 38, the valley of dry bones

very interesting.

For God made them to stand up then He put sinews and flesh upon them and last of all He put breath in them and they lived. So He was fixing them up before they were made spiritual.

I totally believe God has turned back to Israel but they have not yet turned back to Him.

The woman clothed with the sun who gave birth to the manchild is most definitely NOT the whore of Babylon.

...but they did talk about God restoring Israel.

Acts 15.17-
James replied
Brethren listen to me
Symeon has related how God first visited the Gentiles to take out from them a people for His name and with this the words of the prophets agree, as it is written

After this I will return and I will rebuild the dwelling of David which is fallen. I will rebuild its ruins and I will set it up that the rest of men may seek the Lord.
And all the Gentiles who are called by His name says the Lord who has made these things known from of old.

There is a clear difference between Paul and the Jerusalem crowd and yet they are both correct.

The Jerusalem crowd thought they WERE the Kingdom. They were the Royal Priesthood, kings and priests of the reigning Messiah. During the great persecution the Apostles refused to leave Jerusalem. They expected ever that the Gentiles were to flock to them to learn about Christ. Just as the prophets had said. For them at the end of the reign of Christ and His saints who they were He would return and and destroy creation.

Paul knew different, he had more revelation.

He knew the Jews were to be diminished, laid aside, he knew that they had stumbled.
Paul understood that the church was to be planted among the heathen nations, something unthinkable to the Jews.

Paul did not speak about the end coming with loud bangs and fervent heat. He spoke about the curse being lifted off creation, being set FREE from it bondage to decay, Paul spoke about God's plan to unite in Christ all things in heaven and on earth.

The end for the church with Paul is the first resurrection or the rapture.

Peter confesses that there were things Paul wrote in his letters which were difficult to understand.

Peter and Paul can be reconciled if you understand that there was to be a delay before the 1, 000 years reign, and there has been a delay. The 1, 000 years is still to come ... after that the end will come as Peter and co expected.

This argument is still being played out in the church today between the Amillennialists and the Millennialists.

yeah consider this . David’s throne is cirretnly in heaven where Christ is seated . Gods rebuilding the whole creation that will fall like Jerusalem

“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:17-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:7, 13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s not that he’s going to come back and rebuild any place on earth he’s coming to destroy it all and then the new things will emerge from heaven

after this

“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left. The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:5-6, 19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Then this

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:36‬ ‭KJV‬‬

there’s this jerusalem on earth now that we see

“For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

( and this one tbat will come later )

But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭4:25-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬


hes restoring creation but not as people think he’s not coming back to rule on this earth but a new eternal one with all the people he saves from this world

This post is about earthly Jerusalems fall and desolation not the restoration of jeruswlem which os already in heaven where Christ is sitting on David’s throne

“Therefore ( David ) being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; he seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, Until I make thy foes thy footstool. Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:30-36‬ ‭KJV‬‬

All the earth will be restored after it’s destroyed jeruse included but not the one we see now on this earth

I will simply say if you take the Great White Throne prophecy as literal, and you take the new heaven and new earth prophecy as literal, then you must take the 1, 000 year reign of Christ with His saints as literal.

Far as I understand,Christ is sitting on God's throne at the moment.Not Davids.

David is not God.

Revelation 3:21
To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne.



Jesus is showing a difference between his throne and God's throne.Jesus throne is established at the beginning of the seventh millinium.Them who overcome will reign with him on his throne at that time.Untill then Christ sits on God's throne till his enemies are made his footstool.

You mean if I bElieve this repeated promise of God ? Who is able to do this ?

“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

i believe this

“The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Thus saith the LORD, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all.( remnant ) And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.


But ye are they that forsake the LORD, that forget my holy mountain, that prepare a table for that troop, and that furnish the drink offering unto that number. Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; ( this is why he made them dead and blind to Jesus but chose fre that believed ) but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not.


For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. ( why wouldn’t I believe this he created the earth I can see and said he’s gonna destroy it ) But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:8-9, 11-12, 17-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“but ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭12:22-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Notice how faith works this earth is not our inheritance we have better waiting

“These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:13, 16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Gods been promising a new world to inherit for a long time the reason I am convinced is because the New Testament explains it all that from the prophets is summarized in the nt

“whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: ( speaking of the flood ) but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. ( it’s going to be the lake of fire )

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. ( this is not a figurative presentation)

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:6-7, 10, 13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

now the Thousand years

“But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

seems more subjective to me than a literal presentation but my belief is that riegn of the saints is already happening jesusbos already king of heaven and already many rose up after he did and are in paradise now in his heavenly kingdom waiting for the earth to conclude and for all thknngs to be restored

Jerusalem isn’t restored till here

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away;( Isaiah 66 has been fulfilled at last ) and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1-2‬ ‭

i don’t believe Jesus is coming back to restore this corrupt place but to destroy it all and give the inheritance he promised in the nt and I don’t believe there’s going to be a thousand year reinf on this earth but that it’s in heaven and the thousand years represent the time between Christs ascention and retirn to restore everything new

a bit no the thousand year reign is one section on revelation johns heavenly apacolypse and the destruction of this world is throughout the Bible in many books repetetively as well as the creation of another heaven and earth that will never be corrupted and God dwells with his people

“The woman clothed with the sun who gave birth to the manchild is most definitely NOT the whore of Babylon.”

It’s Israel represented by Jerusalem the chosen city of God this is what happened to change her appearance and loyalty

Consider before you conclude

“ Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: with whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭17:1-2, 4, 6, 12, 16-17‬ ‭
“Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations, But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by;

his it was. And of thy garments thou didst take, and deckedst thy high places with divers colours, and playedst the harlot thereupon:

Thou hast built thy high place at every head of the way, and hast made thy beauty to be abhorred, ( she used to be. Beautiful but her fornications ruined it ) and hast opened thy feet to every one that passed by, and multiplied thy whoredoms.

and hast increased thy whoredoms, to provoke me to anger. How weak is thine heart, saith the Lord GOD, seeing thou doest all these things, the work of an imperious whorish woman; but as a wife that committeth adultery, which taketh strangers instead of her husband!

They give gifts to all whores: but thou givest thy gifts to all thy lovers, and hirest them, that they may come unto thee on every side for thy whoredom.

Wherefore, O harlot, hear the word of the LORD: Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thy filthiness was poured out, and thy nakedness discovered through thy whoredoms with thy lovers, and with all the idols of thy abominations, and by the blood of thy children, which thou didst give unto them;

behold, therefore I will gather all thy lovers, with whom thou hast taken pleasure, and all them that thou hast loved, with all them that thou hast hated; I will even gather them round about against thee, and will discover thy nakedness unto them, that they may see all thy nakedness. And I will judge thee, as women that break wedlock and shed blood are judged; and I will give thee blood in fury and jealousy. And I will also give thee into their hand, and they shall throw down thine eminent place, and shall break down thy high places: they shall strip thee also of thy clothes, and shall take thy fair jewels, and leave thee naked and bare. They shall also bring up a company against thee, and they shall stone thee with stones, and thrust thee through with their swords.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭16:1-2, 15-16, 23-26, 30, 32-33, 35-40‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Ok so “Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: with whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.”

“Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations, But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; “

“And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:”

“his it was. And of thy garments thou didst take, and deckedst thy high places with divers colours, and playedst the harlot thereupon:”

“And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.”


And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭17:1-2, 4, 6, 12, 16-17‬ ‭

“Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭23:34-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬