“The Law is bad”

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laymen

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Law is bad after Jesus came??

Why would anyone say that? Come now if you he think the law is a bad thing.

the Bible is clear its a good thing not only Good but holy as welll!

The only person that used it rightly was Jesus. And we do well to follow him.



Everything above is true

1)[FONT=&quot]Rom 7:12[/FONT] [FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
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2)1Ti 1:8 [FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
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3)Gal 2:16 [FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.[/FONT]

only use 2 or 3 verse and 2 or 3 paragraphs like shown.
 

Dino246

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Who says the Law is bad? Beginning a post by asserting that someone has claimed something, without actually quoting someone, is essentially creating a straw man argument.

I read your last line as giving directions to others on how to respond... that usually doesn't fly well. :)

As Christians, we are not under the Law. It is there for our instruction, but not for our direction/restriction. In the "sermon on the mount", Jesus demonstrated how the intent of the Law went far beyond its literal interpretation. He summarized it by telling us to love God and love our neighbours, for that is the fulfillment of the Law.
 
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The law Is GOD’s perfect standard of righteousness so then It can’t be bad but man trying to attain righteousness according to the law by his own strength Will fall short of the glory of GOD.

The law has a purpose and that Is to show anyone trying to keep the law that they can’t keep It perfectly and that they need GOD to deliver them from the body of this death.

By The Way,everyone that has reached the age of accountability and has not gotten saved yet, Is under law and will come short of the glory of GOD.
 
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Law is bad after Jesus came??

Why would anyone say that? Come now if you he think the law is a bad thing.

the Bible is clear its a good thing not only Good but holy as welll!

The only person that used it rightly was Jesus. And we do well to follow him.



Everything above is true

1)Rom 7:12Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
2)1Ti 1:8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
3)Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

only use 2 or 3 verse and 2 or 3 paragraphs like shown.

Can you show who has said the law is bad? It would help your point, since that is your argument, Otherwise, your post is pretty much useless
 

FlyingDove

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The Law is flawless

Sin is the problem

1John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Rom 3:20 (B) for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Gal 3:19 (A) It was added because of transgressions

Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith

Ok, The Law was added because of transgressions. To teach of, expose & condemn sin

We've all broken God's law. No one can say he is not a sinner until some means is provided (not to take away the law) but to remove the sin, which is the transgression of the law.

Sin's required payment/judgment is death Rom 6:23. A sinless Christ's willing redemptive sacrifice. Fulfilled & paid the laws requirement for sin. Once sin has been removed, there is no transgression of the law.

When a person acknowleges God & places thier faith in the sinless Christ's death (sins wage, paid in full) & resurrection (Gods receipt, payment received & accepted)

Our sins are imputed/transfered/removed & placed onto Christ. And at the same time Christ's sinless righteousness is imputed/transfered onto us. (See Lev chapter 4 & Rom 4: 22-25 for hepl in the imputation/transfer process)
 
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The Law is flawless

Sin is the problem

1John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Rom 3:20 (B) for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Gal 3:19 (A) It was added because of transgressions

Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith

Ok, The Law was added because of transgressions. To teach of, expose & condemn sin

We've all broken God's law. No one can say he is not a sinner until some means is provided (not to take away the law) but to remove the sin, which is the transgression of the law.

Sin's required payment/judgment is death Rom 6:23. A sinless Christ's willing redemptive sacrifice. Fulfilled & paid the laws requirement for sin. Once sin has been removed, there is no transgression of the law.

When a person acknowleges God & places thier faith in the sinless Christ's death (sins wage, paid in full) & resurrection (Gods receipt, payment received & accepted)

Our sins are imputed/transfered/removed & placed onto Christ. And at the same time Christ's sinless righteousness is imputed/transfered onto us. (See Lev chapter 4 & Rom 4: 22-25 for hepl in the imputation/transfer process)
Thank you JESUS.
 
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Romans 7:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
[HR][/HR]Romans 7:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
[HR][/HR]1 Timothy 1:8 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
[HR][/HR]
 

JoshMal

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Greetings. The law is not bad. The Law gave us exactly what we deserved. But, Grace gives us blessings we do not deserve, because God so loves us.
One could say d law was really strict.
Like the thief in Isreal that stole stuff. Because of his own sin, Israel's army lost a battle along with a lot of men. When they found the thief, he along with his entire family and even his cattle were killed. Now, compare that to now, when the Name of the Almighty God is vainly uttered and yet we haven't been stoned or swallowed by d earth. The Law justifies by deeds, Grace justifies by faith. The word "bad" can not be used for d law. God bless.
 

laymen

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Who says the Law is bad? Beginning a post by asserting that someone has claimed something, without actually quoting someone, is essentially creating a straw man argument.

I read your last line as giving directions to others on how to respond... that usually doesn't fly well. :)

As Christians, we are not under the Law. It is there for our instruction, but not for our direction/restriction. In the "sermon on the mount", Jesus demonstrated how the intent of the Law went far beyond its literal interpretation. He summarized it by telling us to love God and love our neighbours, for that is the fulfillment of the Law.
sorry u feel this way. I have just noticed how long some posts get and they don’t need to be so long unles you are doing a report for school. But as to who its about does not matter as much as the teaching.
 

laymen

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Can you show who has said the law is bad? It would help your point, since that is your argument, Otherwise, your post is pretty much useless
as to who its about does not matter as much as the teaching.
 

beta

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Can you show who has said the law is bad? It would help your point, since that is your argument, Otherwise, your post is pretty much useless
Christianity as a whole are not showing 'Commandment-keeping ! Of course they don't SAY it but it shows very much 'in their Actions !
As we know people are very good at saying one thing but doing another...and christians are no better than the Pharisees .
 

stonesoffire

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Law is bad after Jesus came??

Why would anyone say that? Come now if you he think the law is a bad thing.

the Bible is clear its a good thing not only Good but holy as welll!

The only person that used it rightly was Jesus. And we do well to follow him.



Everything above is true

1)Rom 7:12Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
2)1Ti 1:8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
3)Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

only use 2 or 3 verse and 2 or 3 paragraphs like shown.
When Jesus said that man should not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from His mouth, He was speaking of the rhema word, not logos.

The rhema is personal. It comes out of relationship. Actually, we have the Word within being that we have the very Spirit of Christ within our spirit.

So in this relationship, He leads us by His Voice, and in many ways. Law isn't personal. It's just a set of rules to control sin. Or disobedience from our fallen nature.

I didn't say it was bad. But, it will condemn us.
 

OneFaith

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The law is good, but we no longer follow it physically since we are not under Moses- we follow it spiritually because we are under Christ Who fulfilled it. (Romans 7:1-4)
 

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The law is good, but we no longer follow it physically since we are not under Moses- we follow it spiritually because we are under Christ Who fulfilled it. (Romans 7:1-4)
The 10 Coms are not Moses law to be abolished but GOD's spiritual/eternal law of 'loving God and neighbour....this difference people fail to make Lev 10v10 !
 

OneFaith

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The 10 Coms are not Moses law to be abolished but GOD's spiritual/eternal law of 'loving God and neighbour....this difference people fail to make Lev 10v10 !

The Ten Commandments are called the law of Moses because he was put as the overseer of God’s law. Under the management of Moses, God’s law was obeyed physically. But under the management of Christ, God’s same laws are obeyed spiritually. It’s always been God’s law, but the physical way of obeying it under Moses is nailed to the cross forevermore amen. God’s law was not nailed- only the physical way of obeying it. Now we do not sacrifice a physically perfect lamb, or take adulterers outside the city to stone them to death. And we no longer have to pay for certain things with certain animals instead of money.
 

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The Ten Commandments are called the law of Moses because he was put as the overseer of God’s law. Under the management of Moses, God’s law was obeyed physically. But under the management of Christ, God’s same laws are obeyed spiritually. It’s always been God’s law, but the physical way of obeying it under Moses is nailed to the cross forevermore amen. God’s law was not nailed- only the physical way of obeying it. Now we do not sacrifice a physically perfect lamb, or take adulterers outside the city to stone them to death. And we no longer have to pay for certain things with certain animals instead of money.
Yes I see it this way re physical and spiritual observance but neverthe less calling the 10 Coms Moses law is not correct seeing GOD PERSonally spoke them to the people Ex 20v19; Deut 5v22-25 and added no more !!!...the rest were given through Moses.
When people REFUSE to hear God then they will only hear Moses and this is what causes confusion, cutting GOD out of the equation....don't do it ...HEAR HIM and you will have and keep the Commandments !!!
 

OneFaith

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Yes I see it this way re physical and spiritual observance but neverthe less calling the 10 Coms Moses law is not correct seeing GOD PERSonally spoke them to the people Ex 20v19; Deut 5v22-25 and added no more !!!...the rest were given through Moses.
When people REFUSE to hear God then they will only hear Moses and this is what causes confusion, cutting GOD out of the equation....don't do it ...HEAR HIM and you will have and keep the Commandments !!!

I suppose you’re right- we don’t call the New Testament the law of Paul. It was just simply the way they worded it. I’ve also called it that for years, knowing it is the law of God.
 

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I suppose you’re right- we don’t call the New Testament the law of Paul. It was just simply the way they worded it. I’ve also called it that for years, knowing it is the law of God.
People so easily fall into 'mainstream teaching because up till recently it has been totally accepted....been there myself for the first 50 years of my life...till God opened my eyes...if 'we desire' to please Him AND act on it ! that is what it comes down to....SHOWING Him that we believe and trust HIM only. It's a giant step to 'move away from mainstream and will get you into a lot of trouble with them...but that's what it takes to start walking with the 'Lord of the Sabbath !
 

mailmandan

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The Ten Commandments are called the law of Moses because he was put as the overseer of God’s law. Under the management of Moses, God’s law was obeyed physically. But under the management of Christ, God’s same laws are obeyed spiritually. It’s always been God’s law, but the physical way of obeying it under Moses is nailed to the cross forevermore amen. God’s law was not nailed- only the physical way of obeying it. Now we do not sacrifice a physically perfect lamb, or take adulterers outside the city to stone them to death. And we no longer have to pay for certain things with certain animals instead of money.
You made some good points here. "He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant — not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills...the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone...the ministry that condemns" (2 Corinthians 3:6-9).

The law on our heart and mind is the love of the Spirit, not the law of the letter. This is why Paul tells us that the new covenant is a covenant of the Spirit, and not of the letter.

References for 9 of the 10 commandments under the Old Covenant are reiterated under the New Covenant, yet the command to keep the Sabbath day is not binding on Christians under the New Covenant.

1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - James 5:12
4. Keep the Sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3

Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel that is not binding on Christians under the New Covenant.

*Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

Even when Sabbatarians set out to worship on the Sabbath, are they truly "keeping the Sabbath?" To "keep the Sabbath" as it was required in the Old Testament under the Old Covenant would involve compliance with specific regulations (Exodus 16:23; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21) that were strictly enforced.

If Sabbath day observances are still required, so would the burnt offerings which went along with them (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13). So no kindling a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath (Exodus 35:3). Every man must remain in his place (no traveling) on the sabbath (Exodus 16:29). No trading (Amos 8:5). No marketing (Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19).

These were commanded by God to Israel (Exodus 35:1).

If the seventh day Sabbath is still in affect, then why do not the Sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the LORD commanded? How can a person keep a certain law when he keeps only part of it?

If the Sabbath day laws were still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the Sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people.

Who is going to enforce that? The Jewish synagogue? The Seventh day Adventist church? The Government? Since we do not live under a theocratic state as ancient Israel did under the Old Covenant, no Sabbatarian can live consistently under these Mosaic regulations.

It sounds to me like you may understand this, though Sabbatarians cannot grasp this or just simply refuse to see it.
 

laymen

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Wow keep it short 2 or 3 paragraphs. Loving the replies though!