“Unforgivable Sin” “Eternal sin”

[azlightsout]

How does one commit Eternal Sin?
What does Speaking against the Holy Spirit Consist of ?

Mere words, or perhaps things like condemning innocent people, or telling other people they will burn in hell for not believing in the same thing as you?

Just wondering.

Thanks in advance ---


“I promise you that any of the sinful things you say or do can be forgiven, no matter how terrible those things are. But if you speak against the Holy Spirit, you can never be forgiven. That sin will be held against you forever.” — Mark 3:28-29 (CEV)

https://www.biblegateway.com/blog/2012/10/what-is-the-unforgivable-sin/


Matthew 12:31-32says, "And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come."

Luke 12:10says, "And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven."
Unpardonable Sin

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

Thats a good question, this is what I have.

Blaspheme against appears to equal speaking against

1. to speak reproachfully, rail at, revile, calumniate, blaspheme
2. to be evil spoken of, reviled, railed at

When comparing between them they seem consistent in the same wording (whether of blaspheming or speaking against) both are used interchangeably below (See Matthew 12:31-32 use them in that manner)

Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you,
All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men:
but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

Mat 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him:
but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him,
neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Luke12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him:
but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

Mark 3:28-30
Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness,
but is in danger of eternal damnation:

That which is pointed out after was,

Because they *said*,

He hath an unclean spirit.

Blaspheme is shown as something spoken, even as Jesus said, because of what they said, (and against Whom)


The manner of speaking (or speech) as it is shown in blaspheme here

Paul said that he was before "a blasphemer", as he confesses so much to the same in 1 Ti1:13. He also said the same was forgiven him for doing so the ingnorance.

On that point, some say Paul was a blasphemer against the Holy Ghost (which would not be forgiven men) rather the Son of man (who was actually set for a sign "to be spoken" against) even as Simeon stated so much in Luke 2:34 after Jesus birth.

We see Saul yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord Jesus in Acts 9:1 or against the sect itself as it was called of these in Acts 28:22

So Saul can be shown to be both a persecutor and injuious, and confessed to being a blasphemer (1 Ti 1:13). There is also “all manner of sin and blasphemies” by which men blaspheme that would be forgiven them even as Jesus said, and likewise we see Saul/Paul being forgiven of the same.

And just as he that speaks a word against the Son of man would be forgiven I am not sure how Paul might have blaspheme against the Holy Ghost (having been forgiven in that blaspheme)

There is blaspheming (and in all manner of it) that men do where it shall be forgiven men and where it shall not be forgiven also.

Here...

Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you,
All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men:

but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

And Mark here...

Mark 3:28-30 Verily I say unto you,
All sins shallbe forgiven unto the sons of men,
and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness,
but is in danger of eternal damnation:

Whereas Paul said himself,

1Ti 1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious:
but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

And of these also which Paul said blaspheme

1Titus 1:20 Of whom is Hymenaeusand Alexander;whom Ihave delivered unto Satan,
that they may learn not to blaspheme.

Blaspheming similarly would be of that which can be forgiven men (in this age or the next) as was Paul's who was before a blasphemer, so I would conclude these to fall under all the blasphemies wherewith soever men shall blaspheme shall be forgiven them but not of against the Holy Ghost, since Jesus said,

But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness,

And Because they *said*, He hath an unclean spirit.

As it says here,

Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

It was by the Holy Ghost Jesus did so. He was anointed with the same and he went about healing all that were oppressed of the devil

Whereas they attributed the works done by the Holy Ghost (in and through) Jesus to him "having" a Beelzebub

Mark 3:22 And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said,
He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.

They were not speaking a word against the Son of man (after the flesh) but rather they were speaking words against the Spirit of Christ (the Holy Ghost) by Whom Jesus did His good works through, even casting out devils

Whereas again, they said,

By the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.

By the Spirit (with power) they are speaking to

Then he asked them,

How can Satan cast out Satan?

Theres the equation.

Following it through to blaspheming against the Holy Ghost, speaking against the anointing Jesus did his works by

Which again, shows,

Mark 3:30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

Every mention in the above is of the Spirit in Him (not of Him)

He (HATH) Beelzebub
and (BY) the prince of devils (ie Satan) he doeth these things
Saying basically he (HATH) an unclean spirit

Nothing of the Son of man was being touched in any of that (Mat 12:32) but against the Holy Ghost that was in Him which was being referred to in those three ways. That was all against the Spirit in Jesus.

The definition of Blaspheme itself (as I am reading it) appears mouth/tongue related when it speaks of someones speech, slander, railing, and evil speaking in it. Jesus also seems to bring it down to the same when he points out in the context which they equate the works of the Holy Ghost (done by him) to Beelzebub (the prince of devils or Satan) and points out specifically because of what "they said" (and against who they said it) which was not about him himself, but that he had an unclean spirit as Jesus shows it.

 

[RobbyEarl]

When they have to show Hebrew and charts somethings up, it is so simple a 6 year old can understand.

 

[azlightsout]

Thats a good question, this is what I have.

Blaspheme against appears to equal speaking against

1. to speak reproachfully, rail at, revile, calumniate, blaspheme
2. to be evil spoken of, reviled, railed at

When comparing between them they seem consistent in the same wording (whether of blaspheming or speaking against) both are used interchangeably below (See Matthew 12:31-32 use them in that manner)

Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you,
All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men:
but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

Mat 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him:
but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him,
neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Luke12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him:
but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

Mark 3:28-30
Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness,
but is in danger of eternal damnation:

That which is pointed out after was,

Because they *said*,

He hath an unclean spirit.

Blaspheme is shown as something spoken, even as Jesus said, because of what they said, (and against Whom)


The manner of speaking (or speech) as it is shown in blaspheme here

Paul said that he was before "a blasphemer", as he confesses so much to the same in 1 Ti1:13. He also said the same was forgiven him for doing so the ingnorance.

On that point, some say Paul was a blasphemer against the Holy Ghost (which would not be forgiven men) rather the Son of man (who was actually set for a sign "to be spoken" against) even as Simeon stated so much in Luke 2:34 after Jesus birth.

We see Saul yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord Jesus in Acts 9:1 or against the sect itself as it was called of these in Acts 28:22

So Saul can be shown to be both a persecutor and injuious, and confessed to being a blasphemer (1 Ti 1:13). There is also “all manner of sin and blasphemies” by which men blaspheme that would be forgiven them even as Jesus said, and likewise we see Saul/Paul being forgiven of the same.

And just as he that speaks a word against the Son of man would be forgiven I am not sure how Paul might have blaspheme against the Holy Ghost (having been forgiven in that blaspheme)

There is blaspheming (and in all manner of it) that men do where it shall be forgiven men and where it shall not be forgiven also.

Here...

Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you,
All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men:

but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

And Mark here...

Mark 3:28-30 Verily I say unto you,
All sins shallbe forgiven unto the sons of men,
and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness,
but is in danger of eternal damnation:

Whereas Paul said himself,

1Ti 1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious:
but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

And of these also which Paul said blaspheme

1Titus 1:20 Of whom is Hymenaeusand Alexander;whom Ihave delivered unto Satan,
that they may learn not to blaspheme.

Blaspheming similarly would be of that which can be forgiven men (in this age or the next) as was Paul's who was before a blasphemer, so I would conclude these to fall under all the blasphemies wherewith soever men shall blaspheme shall be forgiven them but not of against the Holy Ghost, since Jesus said,

But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness,

And Because they *said*, He hath an unclean spirit.

As it says here,

Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

It was by the Holy Ghost Jesus did so. He was anointed with the same and he went about healing all that were oppressed of the devil

Whereas they attributed the works done by the Holy Ghost (in and through) Jesus to him "having" a Beelzebub

Mark 3:22 And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said,
He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.

They were not speaking a word against the Son of man (after the flesh) but rather they were speaking words against the Spirit of Christ (the Holy Ghost) by Whom Jesus did His good works through, even casting out devils

Whereas again, they said,

By the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.

By the Spirit (with power) they are speaking to

Then he asked them,

How can Satan cast out Satan?

Theres the equation.

Following it through to blaspheming against the Holy Ghost, speaking against the anointing Jesus did his works by

Which again, shows,

Mark 3:30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

Every mention in the above is of the Spirit in Him (not of Him)

He (HATH) Beelzebub
and (BY) the prince of devils (ie Satan) he doeth these things
Saying basically he (HATH) an unclean spirit

Nothing of the Son of man was being touched in any of that (Mat 12:32) but against the Holy Ghost that was in Him which was being referred to in those three ways. That was all against the Spirit in Jesus.

The definition of Blaspheme itself (as I am reading it) appears mouth/tongue related when it speaks of someones speech, slander, railing, and evil speaking in it. Jesus also seems to bring it down to the same when he points out in the context which they equate the works of the Holy Ghost (done by him) to Beelzebub (the prince of devils or Satan) and points out specifically because of what "they said" (and against who they said it) which was not about him himself, but that he had an unclean spirit as Jesus shows it.

Thank u so much ---

 

[mcubed]

The only sin that is unforgivable is rejection of Y-shua (Jesus) as Messiah. If you die without accepting Him as Messiah you die in your sins. When Y-shua came as Messiah to my people there were specific things that Torah and really all of the “Old Testament” told us how we would know Messiah. My people rejected Him in spite of the sings. It is the same today Jew or non-Jew if you reject Him as Messiah you will did in your sins and it is unforgivable because He is here in the now, just like He was then.

 

[wincam]

blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is not a rarity as thought and taught but widespread and rampant - inspiration vIa the HS is widely and blatantly proclaimed and claimed but the resultant fruits are chaos, confusion, divergence, contradiction and division - this is attributed to inspiration via the HS and this is clearly widespread and universal blasphemy and unforgiveable - wincam

 

[Budman]

There's an old saying that goes: "If you're worried about whether or not you've committed the unpardonable sin - you haven't."

 

[wincam]

blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is not a rarity as thought and taught but widespread and rampant - inspiration vIa the HS is widely and blatantly proclaimed and claimed but the resultant fruits are chaos, confusion, divergence, contradiction and division - this is attributed to inspiration via the HS and this is clearly widespread and universal blasphemy and unforgiveable - wincam

nobody seems to like this - I wonder why ? - wincam

 

[Magenta]

blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is not a rarity as thought and taught but widespread and rampant - inspiration vIa the HS is widely and blatantly proclaimed and claimed but the resultant fruits are chaos, confusion, divergence, contradiction and division - this is attributed to inspiration via the HS and this is clearly widespread and universal blasphemy and unforgiveable - wincam

nobody seems to like this - I wonder why ? - wincam

Sounds like the Roman Catholic Church, with all it's idolatry, syncretism, Mariology, and pedophilia... among other abuses and travesties perpetrated by that institution over the centuries.

 

[Vdp]

The unforgivable sin is attributing what the Holy Spirit has done to some one else. Like claiming it was you or it was Satan who had done it instead of the Holy Spirit.

This is my take on it.

 

[Budman]

The bible says that the Father is the one who draws people to Christ. If one still has the desire to be saved, they have not committed some unpardonable sin. God isn't going to give someone the desire for salvation who cannot be saved.

 

[wincam]

The bible says that the Father is the one who draws people to Christ. If one still has the desire to be saved, they have not committed some unpardonable sin. God isn't going to give someone the desire for salvation who cannot be saved.

imho the unpardonable sin has to be attributing errors, lies, contradictions, confusion, chaos and division to the HS - wincam

 

[Budman]

imho the unpardonable sin has to be attributing errors, lies, contradictions, confusion, chaos and division to the HS - wincam

My point being, if someone is worried about having committed some unpardonable sin, and still has the desire to be saved, they most certainly have not committed it.

 

[wincam]

My point being, if someone is worried about having committed some unpardonable sin, and still has the desire to be saved, they most certainly have not committed it.

do you know someone or how about you - wincam

 

[Budman]

do you know someone or how about you - wincam

I don't understand what you're asking....

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Hebrews 12:16-17 "Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.[SUP]17 [/SUP]For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears."

Caution, above verses may throw wrench in pet theories.

 

[Budman]

Hebrews 12:16-17 "Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.[SUP]17 [/SUP]For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears."

Caution, above verses may throw wrench in pet theories.

Says a person who still sins like the rest of us.

 

[Scriptureplz]

Says a person who still sins like the rest of us.

Most likely more since self righteousness is sin.

 

[wincam]

I don't understand what you're asking....

okay lets just try it vice versa - is blasphemy against the HS rare or widespread and rampant but not recognised or accepted - wincam

 

[wincam]

The unforgivable sin is attributing what the Holy Spirit has done to some one else. Like claiming it was you or it was Satan who had done it instead of the Holy Spirit.

This is my take on it.

how about the reverse viz attributing what someone else had done to the HS - wincam