When Was Jesus Born?
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No, the Hebrew calendar is not 12 months of 30 days each. It is a nineteen year cyclical calendar that has seven Intercalary years of thirteen months and 12 Common years of twelve months. The months are not 30 days long, they run from New Moon to New Moon which is approximately 29-1/2 days. Therefore the need for the seven Intercalary years.
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Firstly, I think I should say that I don't want to take this holiday away from anyone - but just answer the OP question.
4enlightment, I don't think you understood what my post of that Verse and that word "dwelt" translated means.
It can be translated as .... "[He] tabernacled among us" ..... His Body was His 'booth' = The Word of God was made Flesh or came in the flesh .... His flesh was His 'housing' ... He didn't have a body before being conceived in Mary.
And yes it does matter - to those who think it doesn't -- because He fulfills The Feasts... and died at Passover and will return again during the Feast of Trumpets when His people take on their New Bodies .... full circle.
I'll post that one again - that you didn't quite understand what the word σκηνόω [skēnoō] meant and is related by the root to the word for tabernacles in - John 7:2 "Now the Jews' feast of tabernacles was at hand." -- σκηνοπηγία skēnopēgia - which is only used this once in Jn 7:2.
You also may want to look at another form of the root word used only twice in 2Cor 5:1 & 2Cor 5:4 as "tabernacle".
Here's the root and how/where it's used G4633 σκηνή skēnētabernacle, Act 7:43-44, Act 15:16, Heb 8:2,5, Heb 9:2-3, Heb 9:6,8, Heb 9:11,21, Heb 13:10, Rev 13:6, Rev 15:5, Rev 21:3 tabernacles, Mark 9:3-5, Luke 9:33, Heb 11:9 habitations, Luke 16:9
The only other placesthat Greek word skenoo [in post below] is used is in Rev 7:15 - 12:12 - 13:6 & 21:3.
It's not a 'common' Word. Obviously spiritual wherever it's used and not for our earthly house --- except for the 2 times within 2 verses that it's extended root is used for "tentmakers" in Acts 18:2-3 and that's it.
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Feast of Tabernacles.
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God came to reside in - occupy - to dwell among us - in the flesh -
G4637 - Thayers
σκηνόω
skēnoō
1) to fix one’s tabernacle, have one’s tabernacle, abide (or live) in a tabernacle (or tent), tabernacle
2) to dwell
G4637 - Strong's
σκηνόω
skēnoō
From G4636; to tent or encamp, that is, (figuratively) to occupy (as a mansion) or (specifically) to reside (as God did in the Tabernacle of old, a symbol of protection and communion): - dwell.
G1096
γίνομαι
ginomai - A prolonged and middle form of a primary verb; to cause to be (“gen” -erate), that is, (reflexively) to become (come into being), used with great latitude (literally, figuratively, intensively, etc.): - arise be assembled, be (come, -fall, -have self), be brought (to pass), (be) come (to pass), continue
4enlightment, I don't think you understood what my post of that Verse and that word "dwelt" translated means.
It can be translated as .... "[He] tabernacled among us" ..... His Body was His 'booth' = The Word of God was made Flesh or came in the flesh .... His flesh was His 'housing' ... He didn't have a body before being conceived in Mary.
And yes it does matter - to those who think it doesn't -- because He fulfills The Feasts... and died at Passover and will return again during the Feast of Trumpets when His people take on their New Bodies .... full circle.
I'll post that one again - that you didn't quite understand what the word σκηνόω [skēnoō] meant and is related by the root to the word for tabernacles in - John 7:2 "Now the Jews' feast of tabernacles was at hand." -- σκηνοπηγία skēnopēgia - which is only used this once in Jn 7:2.
You also may want to look at another form of the root word used only twice in 2Cor 5:1 & 2Cor 5:4 as "tabernacle".
Here's the root and how/where it's used G4633 σκηνή skēnētabernacle, Act 7:43-44, Act 15:16, Heb 8:2,5, Heb 9:2-3, Heb 9:6,8, Heb 9:11,21, Heb 13:10, Rev 13:6, Rev 15:5, Rev 21:3 tabernacles, Mark 9:3-5, Luke 9:33, Heb 11:9 habitations, Luke 16:9
The only other placesthat Greek word skenoo [in post below] is used is in Rev 7:15 - 12:12 - 13:6 & 21:3.
It's not a 'common' Word. Obviously spiritual wherever it's used and not for our earthly house --- except for the 2 times within 2 verses that it's extended root is used for "tentmakers" in Acts 18:2-3 and that's it.
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Feast of Tabernacles.
Joh 1:14 AndG2532 theG3588 WordG3056 was madeG1096 flesh,G4561 andG2532 dweltG4637amongG1722 us,G2254 (andG2532 we beheldG2300 hisG846 glory,G1391 the gloryG1391 asG5613 of the only begottenG3439 ofG3844 the Father,)G3962 fullG4134 of graceG5485 andG2532 truth.G225
God came to reside in - occupy - to dwell among us - in the flesh -
G4637 - Thayers
σκηνόω
skēnoō
1) to fix one’s tabernacle, have one’s tabernacle, abide (or live) in a tabernacle (or tent), tabernacle
2) to dwell
G4637 - Strong's
σκηνόω
skēnoō
From G4636; to tent or encamp, that is, (figuratively) to occupy (as a mansion) or (specifically) to reside (as God did in the Tabernacle of old, a symbol of protection and communion): - dwell.
G1096
γίνομαι
ginomai - A prolonged and middle form of a primary verb; to cause to be (“gen” -erate), that is, (reflexively) to become (come into being), used with great latitude (literally, figuratively, intensively, etc.): - arise be assembled, be (come, -fall, -have self), be brought (to pass), (be) come (to pass), continue
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No offence, but your reply was stOOpid with two OO's! Yeah I know how to spell it!
Originally Posted by JesusIsAll
A.D. isn't "after death," but actually stands for the Latin phrase "anno domini," which means "in the year of our Lord." Nice try, but no cigar.
Originally Posted by dcontroversal
HAHAH you should have stretched that out a bit like...."Nice try, but no ceeeegar" HAHAHAHH.....ok my triple French Vanilla cappuccino is kicking in HAAHH
HAHAH you should have stretched that out a bit like...."Nice try, but no ceeeegar" HAHAHAHH.....ok my triple French Vanilla cappuccino is kicking in HAAHH
Thank you for continued mocking, I've come to expect that from the spirit of the enemy. I only wished to show the difference of spirit, the spirit of the enemy, and the spirit of God, the Holy Spirit, which I had hoped you to have someday, if you obey the ONLY GOSPEL that saves, the Death, Burial, Resurrection which includes water baptism in Jesus name, which is how we take on the only name under heaven by which we are saved...
Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Now, hold back more mocking, I know this scripture speaks to the church of the Laodiceans, but this is what comes to mind only to show the similar state that you are in, so as that you might see...
Revelation 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
Revelation 3:14
And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
[15] I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
[16] So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
[17] Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
[18] I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
Hope to see you in heaven, someday.
God bless!
One reason I believe it was in 3 BC. is because the apostle John tells us,
KJV Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: {wonder: or, sign}
2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. {wonder: or, sign}
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. (Rev 12:1-5 KJV)
I believe the woman in the sky is Virgo, she is clothed with the sun, the moon under her feet and 12 stars in her crown. The sun appears in Virgo in what roughly corresponds to out September. The moon would appear under her feet on Rosh Hashanah. This happens every year, however, there are normally 10 stars that make up her crown. In 3 BC., however, I believe it was Mercury and Venus which also appeared in her crown making the 12 starts that John spoke of. As I understand it Rosh Hashannah in 3 BC. occurred on what would correspond to our September 12. Rosh Hashannah is the head of the year, it is day one on the creation calender. In Genesis we have recorded, 'and the evening and the morning were day one. I believe God's calender started this day and that Rosh Hashannah is the celebration of this day. It seems logical to me that Jesus would be born on this day.
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"But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons." (Galatians 4:4-5)
When was Christ actually born and does the Bible actually give us the exact date of His birth? I can assure you, from scripture which I'll begin to cite momentarily (this is only my introduction, as long as it will inevitably be), that Christ was not born in the Winter and I'll also share with you what I believe to be the actual scriptural date of His birth.
As we all know, God assigned specific "feasts" or "rehearsals" to the children of Israel which foreshadowed events which would ultimately later be fulfilled in/by Christ. Let's look briefly at the Springtime feasts:
Leviticus chapter 23
[1] And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
[2] Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
[3] Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.
[4] These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.
[5] In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD's passover.
[6] And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
[7] In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
[8] But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
[9] And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
[10] Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:
[11] And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.
[12] And ye shall offer that day when ye wave the sheaf an he lamb without blemish of the first year for a burnt offering unto the LORD.
[13] And the meat offering thereof shall be two tenth deals of fine flour mingled with oil, an offering made by fire unto the LORD for a sweet savour: and the drink offering thereof shall be of wine, the fourth part of an hin.
[14] And ye shall eat neither bread, nor parched corn, nor green ears, until the selfsame day that ye have brought an offering unto your God: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.
[15] And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
[16] Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.
[17] Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the LORD.
[18] And ye shall offer with the bread seven lambs without blemish of the first year, and one young bullock, and two rams: they shall be for a burnt offering unto the LORD, with their meat offering, and their drink offerings, even an offering made by fire, of sweet savour unto the LORD.
[19] Then ye shall sacrifice one kid of the goats for a sin offering, and two lambs of the first year for a sacrifice of peace offerings.
[20] And the priest shall wave them with the bread of the firstfruits for a wave offering before the LORD, with the two lambs: they shall be holy to the LORD for the priest.
[21] And ye shall proclaim on the selfsame day, that it may be an holy convocation unto you: ye shall do no servile work therein: it shall be a statute for ever in all your dwellings throughout your generations.
Okay.
Here, we have a list of the 4 Springtime feasts or "holy days/holidays" which were actually ordained by the LORD to foreshadow different aspects of Jesus' life/ministry which would ultimately be fulfilled AT HIS FIRST COMING (This is very important, so please keep it in the back of your minds). The 4 Springtime feasts, as I trust that you're all already aware, are as follows:
1. Passover
2. Unleavened Bread
3. Firstfruits
4. Pentecost (or that which occurs "fifty days" after the Feast of Firstfruits)
As we all know, Christ was crucified on the feast of Passover, thereby becoming the True "Passover Lamb" or "the Lamb of God which takes away the sin of the world" (John 1:29). In relation to the same, we read:
1Corinthians chapter 5
[1] It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
[2] And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
[3] For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
[4] In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
[5] To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
[6] Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
[7] Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
[8] Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
Seeing how "Christ our passover is sacrificed for us", those of us who have truly partaken of the same ought to now be removing, via the grace of God, all "leaven" from our lives...which dovetails directly into the second Springtime feast, the Feast of Unleavened Bread. As we all know, "leaven" is basically yeast or baking powder/soda or that which when placed within a dough or batter will cause it to rise up. This rising up, figuratively speaking, speaks of pride (which is at the root of all sin) or of that which is sinful and causes us to rise up in rebellion against the Lord our Maker. Anyhow, when we have truly partaken of "Christ our passover", then God fully expects us to begin dealing with all "leaven" or sin in our lives and this is how these two Springtime feasts pertain to us as Christians, yes, even Gentile Christians like the ones whom Paul was actually writing to in his first epistle to the Corinthians that I just cited.
Moving on to the Feast of Firstfruits and its fulfillment, we read:
I Corinthians chapter 15
[19] If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
[20] But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
[21] For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
[22] For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
[23] But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
Here, in the midst of his discourse on the resurrection of the dead, Paul twice referred to Christ as "the firstfruits" and this is no happy coincidence. IOW, in perfect fulfillment of the Old Testament "type", Christ was raised from the dead on the literal calendar day which coincided with the Springtime Feast of Firstfruits thereby becoming the "antitype" (no, I didn't say the "antichrist"...lol).
Moving on to the next Springtime feast, the Feast of Pentecost or the feast which occurs "fifty days" after the Feast of Firstfruits, we read:
Acts chapter 1
[1] The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,
[2] Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:
[3] To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
[4] And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
[5] For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Okay.
Jesus "showed Himself alive after His passion" or after He had risen from the dead on the literal calendar day of the Feast of Firstfruits and He spent "forty days" speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God to His disciples. IOW, we're now "forty days" removed from the Feast of Firstfruits and just ten days shy of the next feast and its fulfillment, again, on its literal calendar day, the Feast of Pentecost. When Jesus told His disciples to "wait for the promise of the Father" and that they would "be baptized with the Holy Ghost NOT MANY DAYS HENCE", He knew exactly how many "not many days hence" He was referring to. He was, in fact, counting ahead another ten days, which His disciples consequently spent in prayer, towards the fulfillment of the required "fifty days" on which the Feast of Pentecost would literally be fulfilled on its literal calendar day. In regard to this, we read:
Acts chapter 2
[1] And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
[2] And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
[3] And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
[4] And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Again, it's no happy coincidence that the Holy Ghost was poured out on the literal Feast of Pentecost or "when the day of Pentecost was fully come" because God originally designated His "holy days" or "holidays" to foreshadow different events which would not only transpire or be fulfilled in the life/ministry of Christ, BUT ALSO IN THEIR PROPER SEASONS. IOW, there is GREAT SIGNIFICANCE in the fact that these four feasts were all SPRINGTIME FEASTS in that they all pertain to things which were fulfilled AT CHRIST'S FIRST COMING.
Hear me out...
Without going into detail at this point in time, what is the first FALLTIME FEAST which has yet to be fulfilled by Christ and won't be fulfilled UNTIL HIS SECOND COMING? Well, as we all should know already, it is the Feast of Trumpets and, again, it's no happy coincidence that we constantly read of a "trumpet" sounding AT CHRIST'S SECOND COMING. IOW, I'm fully convinced and for good, sound scriptural reasons, that Christ will return on the literal calendar day which coincides with a future Feast of Trumpets.
I said all of that to say/ask this...
Seeing how all of the SPRINGTIME FEASTS pointed to or foreshadowed events which would be fulfilled in/by Christ AT HIS FIRST COMING, doesn't it make sense that God would have also foreshadowed HIS BIRTH which most certainly occurred AT HIS FIRST COMING in a SPRINGTIME EVENT OR FEAST, too?
Some people here and many others elsewhere have professed their belief that Christ was born on the Feast of Tabernacles. Their reasoning (and I'm not mocking or deriding them...I've heard and considered this teaching before myself and ultimately rejected it for the reasons of which I'm about to explain) basically goes like this:
"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." (John 1:14)
The underlying Greek word which is here translated as "dwelt" could just as easily or just as rightly be interpreted as "tabernacled". With such being the case and due to the fact that other feasts point to or foreshadow specific events in Christ's life/ministry, many have said, "Aha! Christ was born on the Feast of Tabernacles!"
Well, I'm sorry, but "that dog won't hunt" for several reasons and I'll address just a couple of them now.
First of all, THE TIMING IS ALL WRONG. Again, the SPRINGTIME FEASTS all prophetically pointed to or foreshadowed events which would all be fulfilled in/by Jesus AT HIS FIRST COMING, so why in the world would we be looking to a FALLTIME FEAST for the fulfillment of something which transpired AT CHRIST'S FIRST COMING when the FALLTIME FEASTS point to or foreshadow events which will be fulfilled AT CHRIST'S SECOND COMING? Again, the timing is all wrong...BUT this word "dwelt" or "tabernacled" is of vital importance in regard to determining the actual/factual date of Christ's birth as I believe it is given to us in scripture. More on that in a moment, but first my second objection (and I have more than two) to this whole "Jesus was born on the Feast of Tabernacles" thing. Consider with me, if you will, the following:
"Three times in a year shall all thy males appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose; in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles: and they shall not appear before the LORD empty:" (Deuteronomy 16:16)
Did you catch that?
There were three different feasts, Passover/Unleavened Bread (they dovetailed together), Pentecost (or the Feast of Weeks or the aforementioned "fifty days") AND THE FEAST OF TABERNACLES which all Israeli males were commanded to keep IN JERUSALEM or "in the place where He (the LORD thy God) shall choose". With such being the case, do you believe that God would go against His Own commandment and have Joseph, an Israeli male, be found IN BETHLEHEM during THE FEAST OF TABERNACLES if Jesus was truly born during this feast? What about some of the other "males" that we read about in the gospel accounts of Christ's birth? Were any of them Israelis (the inn keeper who was possibly/probably a male, the shepherds who were possibly/probably males, etc.)? If so, then why weren't they IN JERUSALEM as opposed to being found IN BETHLEHEM if Christ was truly born on the Feast of Tabernacles? Furthermore, we read the following in relation to the timing of Christ's birth in Luke's gospel account:
Luke chapter 2
[1] And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed.
[2] (And this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was governor of Syria.)
[3] And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city.
[4] And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David
[5] To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child.
[6] And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered.
[7] And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.
[8] And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night.
Seeing how Caesar's decree required everyone to return "into his own city" and seeing how such a decree would have caused a lot more Israeli males than just Joseph to depart from Jerusalem, why don't we read of any sort of outburst or uprising amongst Israeli males in that such a decree would have forced them to disobey God's command that they all be in Jerusalem during the Feast of Tabernacles? We read or hear of no such outburst or uprising because Jesus wasn't born on the Feast of Tabernacles.
(Continued in next post due to length)
When was Christ actually born and does the Bible actually give us the exact date of His birth? I can assure you, from scripture which I'll begin to cite momentarily (this is only my introduction, as long as it will inevitably be), that Christ was not born in the Winter and I'll also share with you what I believe to be the actual scriptural date of His birth.
As we all know, God assigned specific "feasts" or "rehearsals" to the children of Israel which foreshadowed events which would ultimately later be fulfilled in/by Christ. Let's look briefly at the Springtime feasts:
Leviticus chapter 23
[1] And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
[2] Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
[3] Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.
[4] These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.
[5] In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD's passover.
[6] And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
[7] In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
[8] But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
[9] And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
[10] Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:
[11] And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.
[12] And ye shall offer that day when ye wave the sheaf an he lamb without blemish of the first year for a burnt offering unto the LORD.
[13] And the meat offering thereof shall be two tenth deals of fine flour mingled with oil, an offering made by fire unto the LORD for a sweet savour: and the drink offering thereof shall be of wine, the fourth part of an hin.
[14] And ye shall eat neither bread, nor parched corn, nor green ears, until the selfsame day that ye have brought an offering unto your God: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.
[15] And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
[16] Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.
[17] Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the LORD.
[18] And ye shall offer with the bread seven lambs without blemish of the first year, and one young bullock, and two rams: they shall be for a burnt offering unto the LORD, with their meat offering, and their drink offerings, even an offering made by fire, of sweet savour unto the LORD.
[19] Then ye shall sacrifice one kid of the goats for a sin offering, and two lambs of the first year for a sacrifice of peace offerings.
[20] And the priest shall wave them with the bread of the firstfruits for a wave offering before the LORD, with the two lambs: they shall be holy to the LORD for the priest.
[21] And ye shall proclaim on the selfsame day, that it may be an holy convocation unto you: ye shall do no servile work therein: it shall be a statute for ever in all your dwellings throughout your generations.
Okay.
Here, we have a list of the 4 Springtime feasts or "holy days/holidays" which were actually ordained by the LORD to foreshadow different aspects of Jesus' life/ministry which would ultimately be fulfilled AT HIS FIRST COMING (This is very important, so please keep it in the back of your minds). The 4 Springtime feasts, as I trust that you're all already aware, are as follows:
1. Passover
2. Unleavened Bread
3. Firstfruits
4. Pentecost (or that which occurs "fifty days" after the Feast of Firstfruits)
As we all know, Christ was crucified on the feast of Passover, thereby becoming the True "Passover Lamb" or "the Lamb of God which takes away the sin of the world" (John 1:29). In relation to the same, we read:
1Corinthians chapter 5
[1] It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
[2] And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
[3] For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
[4] In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
[5] To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
[6] Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
[7] Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
[8] Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
Seeing how "Christ our passover is sacrificed for us", those of us who have truly partaken of the same ought to now be removing, via the grace of God, all "leaven" from our lives...which dovetails directly into the second Springtime feast, the Feast of Unleavened Bread. As we all know, "leaven" is basically yeast or baking powder/soda or that which when placed within a dough or batter will cause it to rise up. This rising up, figuratively speaking, speaks of pride (which is at the root of all sin) or of that which is sinful and causes us to rise up in rebellion against the Lord our Maker. Anyhow, when we have truly partaken of "Christ our passover", then God fully expects us to begin dealing with all "leaven" or sin in our lives and this is how these two Springtime feasts pertain to us as Christians, yes, even Gentile Christians like the ones whom Paul was actually writing to in his first epistle to the Corinthians that I just cited.
Moving on to the Feast of Firstfruits and its fulfillment, we read:
I Corinthians chapter 15
[19] If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
[20] But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
[21] For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
[22] For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
[23] But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
Here, in the midst of his discourse on the resurrection of the dead, Paul twice referred to Christ as "the firstfruits" and this is no happy coincidence. IOW, in perfect fulfillment of the Old Testament "type", Christ was raised from the dead on the literal calendar day which coincided with the Springtime Feast of Firstfruits thereby becoming the "antitype" (no, I didn't say the "antichrist"...lol).
Moving on to the next Springtime feast, the Feast of Pentecost or the feast which occurs "fifty days" after the Feast of Firstfruits, we read:
Acts chapter 1
[1] The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,
[2] Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:
[3] To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
[4] And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
[5] For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Okay.
Jesus "showed Himself alive after His passion" or after He had risen from the dead on the literal calendar day of the Feast of Firstfruits and He spent "forty days" speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God to His disciples. IOW, we're now "forty days" removed from the Feast of Firstfruits and just ten days shy of the next feast and its fulfillment, again, on its literal calendar day, the Feast of Pentecost. When Jesus told His disciples to "wait for the promise of the Father" and that they would "be baptized with the Holy Ghost NOT MANY DAYS HENCE", He knew exactly how many "not many days hence" He was referring to. He was, in fact, counting ahead another ten days, which His disciples consequently spent in prayer, towards the fulfillment of the required "fifty days" on which the Feast of Pentecost would literally be fulfilled on its literal calendar day. In regard to this, we read:
Acts chapter 2
[1] And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
[2] And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
[3] And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
[4] And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Again, it's no happy coincidence that the Holy Ghost was poured out on the literal Feast of Pentecost or "when the day of Pentecost was fully come" because God originally designated His "holy days" or "holidays" to foreshadow different events which would not only transpire or be fulfilled in the life/ministry of Christ, BUT ALSO IN THEIR PROPER SEASONS. IOW, there is GREAT SIGNIFICANCE in the fact that these four feasts were all SPRINGTIME FEASTS in that they all pertain to things which were fulfilled AT CHRIST'S FIRST COMING.
Hear me out...
Without going into detail at this point in time, what is the first FALLTIME FEAST which has yet to be fulfilled by Christ and won't be fulfilled UNTIL HIS SECOND COMING? Well, as we all should know already, it is the Feast of Trumpets and, again, it's no happy coincidence that we constantly read of a "trumpet" sounding AT CHRIST'S SECOND COMING. IOW, I'm fully convinced and for good, sound scriptural reasons, that Christ will return on the literal calendar day which coincides with a future Feast of Trumpets.
I said all of that to say/ask this...
Seeing how all of the SPRINGTIME FEASTS pointed to or foreshadowed events which would be fulfilled in/by Christ AT HIS FIRST COMING, doesn't it make sense that God would have also foreshadowed HIS BIRTH which most certainly occurred AT HIS FIRST COMING in a SPRINGTIME EVENT OR FEAST, too?
Some people here and many others elsewhere have professed their belief that Christ was born on the Feast of Tabernacles. Their reasoning (and I'm not mocking or deriding them...I've heard and considered this teaching before myself and ultimately rejected it for the reasons of which I'm about to explain) basically goes like this:
"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." (John 1:14)
The underlying Greek word which is here translated as "dwelt" could just as easily or just as rightly be interpreted as "tabernacled". With such being the case and due to the fact that other feasts point to or foreshadow specific events in Christ's life/ministry, many have said, "Aha! Christ was born on the Feast of Tabernacles!"
Well, I'm sorry, but "that dog won't hunt" for several reasons and I'll address just a couple of them now.
First of all, THE TIMING IS ALL WRONG. Again, the SPRINGTIME FEASTS all prophetically pointed to or foreshadowed events which would all be fulfilled in/by Jesus AT HIS FIRST COMING, so why in the world would we be looking to a FALLTIME FEAST for the fulfillment of something which transpired AT CHRIST'S FIRST COMING when the FALLTIME FEASTS point to or foreshadow events which will be fulfilled AT CHRIST'S SECOND COMING? Again, the timing is all wrong...BUT this word "dwelt" or "tabernacled" is of vital importance in regard to determining the actual/factual date of Christ's birth as I believe it is given to us in scripture. More on that in a moment, but first my second objection (and I have more than two) to this whole "Jesus was born on the Feast of Tabernacles" thing. Consider with me, if you will, the following:
"Three times in a year shall all thy males appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose; in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles: and they shall not appear before the LORD empty:" (Deuteronomy 16:16)
Did you catch that?
There were three different feasts, Passover/Unleavened Bread (they dovetailed together), Pentecost (or the Feast of Weeks or the aforementioned "fifty days") AND THE FEAST OF TABERNACLES which all Israeli males were commanded to keep IN JERUSALEM or "in the place where He (the LORD thy God) shall choose". With such being the case, do you believe that God would go against His Own commandment and have Joseph, an Israeli male, be found IN BETHLEHEM during THE FEAST OF TABERNACLES if Jesus was truly born during this feast? What about some of the other "males" that we read about in the gospel accounts of Christ's birth? Were any of them Israelis (the inn keeper who was possibly/probably a male, the shepherds who were possibly/probably males, etc.)? If so, then why weren't they IN JERUSALEM as opposed to being found IN BETHLEHEM if Christ was truly born on the Feast of Tabernacles? Furthermore, we read the following in relation to the timing of Christ's birth in Luke's gospel account:
Luke chapter 2
[1] And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed.
[2] (And this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was governor of Syria.)
[3] And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city.
[4] And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David
[5] To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child.
[6] And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered.
[7] And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.
[8] And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night.
Seeing how Caesar's decree required everyone to return "into his own city" and seeing how such a decree would have caused a lot more Israeli males than just Joseph to depart from Jerusalem, why don't we read of any sort of outburst or uprising amongst Israeli males in that such a decree would have forced them to disobey God's command that they all be in Jerusalem during the Feast of Tabernacles? We read or hear of no such outburst or uprising because Jesus wasn't born on the Feast of Tabernacles.
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J
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Here's what I believe and here's what I believe that scripture actually teaches...
God deliberately ordained certain SPRINGTIME FEASTS OR EVENTS to foreshadow events which would ultimately be fulfilled AT CHRIST'S FIRST COMING AND CHRIST'S BIRTH IS NO EXCEPTION TO THIS BIBLICAL RULE. If I'm correct, then is there a specific event or date which is given us in the Old Testament "types" which would perfectly foreshadow the actual date of Christ's birth? Yes, I fully believe that there is and I'll now begin to show what exact date I believe that to be. Here's our first clue or our first "type":
Exodus chapter 12
[1] And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying,
[2] This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you.
[3] Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house:
[4] And if the household be too little for the lamb, let him and his neighbour next unto his house take it according to the number of the souls; every man according to his eating shall make your count for the lamb.
[5] Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
[6] And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.
Here, the LORD speaks unto Moses and Aaron while they're still in the land of Egypt or just prior to the exodus and He tells them that "this month", which is the month of Abib...
"This day came ye out in the month Abib." (Exodus 13:4)
..."shall be unto you THE BEGINNING of months: it shall be THE FIRST month of the year to you."
That's interesting, isn't it? I mean, why did God designate this month as THE BEGINNING of months and THE FIRST month and where do we see such terminology as "THE BEGINNING" and "THE FIRST" being used elsewhere in scripture and in relation to Whom? Well, Jesus is "the beginning" and "the first", isn't He? Yes, He most certainly is. Here's where it gets really interesting. As most, if not all, of you are probably already aware, there is much about the Old Testament "tabernacle" (there's that word again) which prophetically points to Christ. With such in mind, please carefully/prayerfully consider the following with me:
Exodus chapter 40
[1] And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
[2] On the first day of the first month shalt thou set up the tabernacle of the tent of the congregation.
On the first day of the first month, in accordance with God's command, Moses set up THE TABERNACLE. Again, God had previously ordained this month to be THE BEGINNING of months and/or THE FIRST month. Is it possible/plausible that God deliberately ordained such things to show us the exact date of Christ's birth or the exact date when Christ began to "tabernacle among us" (John 1:14)? The timing certainly fits, doesn't it? I mean, if we were going to look for a SPRINGTIME DATE which foreshadowed Christ's birth, then I believe that such a date would have to occur BEFORE the Feast of Passover or BEFORE the other SPRINGTIME FEASTS would be fulfilled in/by Christ. IOW, Christ was obviously born BEFORE He was sacrificed as the Passover Lamb, so it stands to reason (in my mind, anyway) that any date which foreshadowed His birth would PRECEDE the Feast of Passover. Well, seeing how the Feast of Passover occurs on the fourteenth day of THE FIRST month, that would only leave us thirteen days, from the first of this month until the thirteenth of this month, to find such a date and I believe that we have such a date before us.
Again, why did God suddenly designate the month of Abib as THE BEGINNING of months and/or THE FIRST month?
Again, why did God command Moses to set up the TABERNACLE on THE FIRST day of THE FIRST month?
Is this just all happy coincidence?
After the TABERNACLE was set up on THE FIRST day of THE FIRST month, we read:
"Then a cloud covered the tent of the congregation, and the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle. And Moses was not able to enter into the tent of the congregation, because the cloud abode thereon, and the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle." (Exodus 40:34-35)
Now, compare this TABERNACLE which was "filled with the glory of the LORD" to the following "glory filled TABERNACLE of the LORD":
"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." (John 1:14)
To me, the similarities are more than striking.
Well, like I said, that's just an introduction. IOW, there are other variables in scripture which all equally point to a SPRINGTIME birth of Christ (the time of year when lambs were born, the time of year when shepherds would have been in the field by night with their flocks, etc., etc.).
Thanks for reading/considering.
Here's what I believe and here's what I believe that scripture actually teaches...
God deliberately ordained certain SPRINGTIME FEASTS OR EVENTS to foreshadow events which would ultimately be fulfilled AT CHRIST'S FIRST COMING AND CHRIST'S BIRTH IS NO EXCEPTION TO THIS BIBLICAL RULE. If I'm correct, then is there a specific event or date which is given us in the Old Testament "types" which would perfectly foreshadow the actual date of Christ's birth? Yes, I fully believe that there is and I'll now begin to show what exact date I believe that to be. Here's our first clue or our first "type":
Exodus chapter 12
[1] And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying,
[2] This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you.
[3] Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house:
[4] And if the household be too little for the lamb, let him and his neighbour next unto his house take it according to the number of the souls; every man according to his eating shall make your count for the lamb.
[5] Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
[6] And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.
Here, the LORD speaks unto Moses and Aaron while they're still in the land of Egypt or just prior to the exodus and He tells them that "this month", which is the month of Abib...
"This day came ye out in the month Abib." (Exodus 13:4)
..."shall be unto you THE BEGINNING of months: it shall be THE FIRST month of the year to you."
That's interesting, isn't it? I mean, why did God designate this month as THE BEGINNING of months and THE FIRST month and where do we see such terminology as "THE BEGINNING" and "THE FIRST" being used elsewhere in scripture and in relation to Whom? Well, Jesus is "the beginning" and "the first", isn't He? Yes, He most certainly is. Here's where it gets really interesting. As most, if not all, of you are probably already aware, there is much about the Old Testament "tabernacle" (there's that word again) which prophetically points to Christ. With such in mind, please carefully/prayerfully consider the following with me:
Exodus chapter 40
[1] And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
[2] On the first day of the first month shalt thou set up the tabernacle of the tent of the congregation.
On the first day of the first month, in accordance with God's command, Moses set up THE TABERNACLE. Again, God had previously ordained this month to be THE BEGINNING of months and/or THE FIRST month. Is it possible/plausible that God deliberately ordained such things to show us the exact date of Christ's birth or the exact date when Christ began to "tabernacle among us" (John 1:14)? The timing certainly fits, doesn't it? I mean, if we were going to look for a SPRINGTIME DATE which foreshadowed Christ's birth, then I believe that such a date would have to occur BEFORE the Feast of Passover or BEFORE the other SPRINGTIME FEASTS would be fulfilled in/by Christ. IOW, Christ was obviously born BEFORE He was sacrificed as the Passover Lamb, so it stands to reason (in my mind, anyway) that any date which foreshadowed His birth would PRECEDE the Feast of Passover. Well, seeing how the Feast of Passover occurs on the fourteenth day of THE FIRST month, that would only leave us thirteen days, from the first of this month until the thirteenth of this month, to find such a date and I believe that we have such a date before us.
Again, why did God suddenly designate the month of Abib as THE BEGINNING of months and/or THE FIRST month?
Again, why did God command Moses to set up the TABERNACLE on THE FIRST day of THE FIRST month?
Is this just all happy coincidence?
After the TABERNACLE was set up on THE FIRST day of THE FIRST month, we read:
"Then a cloud covered the tent of the congregation, and the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle. And Moses was not able to enter into the tent of the congregation, because the cloud abode thereon, and the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle." (Exodus 40:34-35)
Now, compare this TABERNACLE which was "filled with the glory of the LORD" to the following "glory filled TABERNACLE of the LORD":
"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." (John 1:14)
To me, the similarities are more than striking.
Well, like I said, that's just an introduction. IOW, there are other variables in scripture which all equally point to a SPRINGTIME birth of Christ (the time of year when lambs were born, the time of year when shepherds would have been in the field by night with their flocks, etc., etc.).
Thanks for reading/considering.
J
In my earlier post today, I began to cover some things in relation to God's set times and dates. Now, I'll briefly introduce what I believe to be the Satanic counterfeit or things which pertain to our own calendar here in the West and the designation of December 25th as the alleged date of Christ's birth.
If you do a little research on our current calendar here in the West, then you will find that it has been changed over the course of history. Some of the changes took place in the time of Julius Caesar, hence what is known as "the Julian calendar", which was itself a reform of the Roman calendar which preceded it and which was ultimately superseded by the Gregorian calendar. Anyhow, did you ever wonder why leap year occurs at the end of February which is currently our second month instead of at the end of the year? Similarly, did you ever wonder why the year begins about 10 days into Winter instead of in the Spring? Whether you have or haven't, please consider the following:
September is currently our 9th month, yet the prefix "sept" has to do with the number 7, as in septuplets.
October is currently our 10th month, yet the prefix "oct" has to do with the number 8, as in octopus, octagon and octave.
November is currently our 11th month, yet the prefix "nov" has to do with the number 9, as in novena.
December is currently our 12th month, yet the prefix "dec" has to do with the number 10, as in decade and decimal.
Seriously, what's up with that?
Well, September used to be the 7th month, October used to be the 8th month, November used to be the 9th month and December used to be the 10th month. This would also make February the 12th month which would explain why "leap year" takes place at this time of the year. Additionally, if our calendar hadn't been changed, then March would become the first month which would mean that the calendar year begins in the Spring as it ought to (and as God's calendar does), instead of about 10 days into the Winter. Also, just a little research will show you that July (named after Julius Caesar), which is now the 7th month, used to be the 5th month and it used to be called Quintilis as in quintuplets which has to do with the number 5:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July
Similarly, August (named after Augustus Caesar), which is now the 8th month, used to be the 6th month and it used to be called Sextili as in sextuplets which has to do with the number 6:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August
What does any of this have to do with Christmas (literally "Christ Mass") and why am I bothering to mention it? Well, the Romans were not only sun worshippers, but they were also into numerology or gematria and the worship of Satan or "other gods". In the Hebrew language, where Satan's name first appears in scripture, each letter of the alphabet also has a corresponding numerical value as do certain letters in the Latin alphabet (Remember your Roman numerals?). Satan's name is made up of three letters in the Hebrew alphabet which have the following numeric values attached to them:
9
50
300
Add them together and you come up with the number 359. Well, what is normally the 359th day of our present calendar? Just count backwards:
365 - December 31st
364 - December 30th
363 - December 29th
362 - December 28th
361 - December 27th
360 - December 26th
359 - December 25th or "Christ Mass".
Again, is this a happy coincidence? Standing by itself, one might consider that it is. However, when coupled with all of the other pagan or Satanic origins and influences which surround this day (December 25th), then one rightfully considers that the Romans knew exactly what they were doing and who, exactly, their "christ" is. Btw, I'm not suggesting, not even for a single second, that we, as Christians, ought to use our Bibles in some sort of kabbalistic manner and fall into all sorts of numerology or gematria even though I believe that there are instances in the Bible where gematria is justified (such as in "the number of his name" in relation to the Antichrist). Rather, I'm merely suggesting that the Romans knew precisely what they were doing and, again, when coupled together with other corresponding evidence, this certainly seems to be the case.
Again, thanks for reading/considering.
If you do a little research on our current calendar here in the West, then you will find that it has been changed over the course of history. Some of the changes took place in the time of Julius Caesar, hence what is known as "the Julian calendar", which was itself a reform of the Roman calendar which preceded it and which was ultimately superseded by the Gregorian calendar. Anyhow, did you ever wonder why leap year occurs at the end of February which is currently our second month instead of at the end of the year? Similarly, did you ever wonder why the year begins about 10 days into Winter instead of in the Spring? Whether you have or haven't, please consider the following:
September is currently our 9th month, yet the prefix "sept" has to do with the number 7, as in septuplets.
October is currently our 10th month, yet the prefix "oct" has to do with the number 8, as in octopus, octagon and octave.
November is currently our 11th month, yet the prefix "nov" has to do with the number 9, as in novena.
December is currently our 12th month, yet the prefix "dec" has to do with the number 10, as in decade and decimal.
Seriously, what's up with that?
Well, September used to be the 7th month, October used to be the 8th month, November used to be the 9th month and December used to be the 10th month. This would also make February the 12th month which would explain why "leap year" takes place at this time of the year. Additionally, if our calendar hadn't been changed, then March would become the first month which would mean that the calendar year begins in the Spring as it ought to (and as God's calendar does), instead of about 10 days into the Winter. Also, just a little research will show you that July (named after Julius Caesar), which is now the 7th month, used to be the 5th month and it used to be called Quintilis as in quintuplets which has to do with the number 5:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July
Similarly, August (named after Augustus Caesar), which is now the 8th month, used to be the 6th month and it used to be called Sextili as in sextuplets which has to do with the number 6:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August
What does any of this have to do with Christmas (literally "Christ Mass") and why am I bothering to mention it? Well, the Romans were not only sun worshippers, but they were also into numerology or gematria and the worship of Satan or "other gods". In the Hebrew language, where Satan's name first appears in scripture, each letter of the alphabet also has a corresponding numerical value as do certain letters in the Latin alphabet (Remember your Roman numerals?). Satan's name is made up of three letters in the Hebrew alphabet which have the following numeric values attached to them:
9
50
300
Add them together and you come up with the number 359. Well, what is normally the 359th day of our present calendar? Just count backwards:
365 - December 31st
364 - December 30th
363 - December 29th
362 - December 28th
361 - December 27th
360 - December 26th
359 - December 25th or "Christ Mass".
Again, is this a happy coincidence? Standing by itself, one might consider that it is. However, when coupled with all of the other pagan or Satanic origins and influences which surround this day (December 25th), then one rightfully considers that the Romans knew exactly what they were doing and who, exactly, their "christ" is. Btw, I'm not suggesting, not even for a single second, that we, as Christians, ought to use our Bibles in some sort of kabbalistic manner and fall into all sorts of numerology or gematria even though I believe that there are instances in the Bible where gematria is justified (such as in "the number of his name" in relation to the Antichrist). Rather, I'm merely suggesting that the Romans knew precisely what they were doing and, again, when coupled together with other corresponding evidence, this certainly seems to be the case.
Again, thanks for reading/considering.
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I don't think the woman in the sky is Virgo for at least two reasons...
Gen 37:9 And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me.
Gen 37:10 And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth?
And more importantly...
Deu 4:19 And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.
Deu 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;
Isa 47:13 Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee.
Isa 47:14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it.
God hates the abomination called astrology and would NEVER use it.
Gen 37:9 And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me.
Gen 37:10 And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth?
And more importantly...
Deu 4:19 And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.
Deu 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;
Isa 47:13 Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee.
Isa 47:14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it.
God hates the abomination called astrology and would NEVER use it.