Thank you, Jason. I wasn't trying to argue but just wanted to line up with what the scriptures said.
#1 - Romans 10:9,10 is not enough?
#2 - When a person is born again - They are born of the Spirit. John 3:6b - The Spirit gives birth to spirit. (water?)
#3 - My mother has been dead for years now and has not been able to participate in the family - but I am still her daughter and she is still my mom - nothing will change that fact. Wasn't talking about our walk - our participation in the family but our position in the family as a son/daughter.
#4&5 - Yes, if we walk after the Spirit; we will not walk after the flesh - again you are talking about our participation in the family NOT our position in the family as a son/daughter.
#6 - I would say that it is normal to struggle with sin - everyone who is born again still lives in the flesh and if the flesh lusteth against the Spirit and the Spirit lusteth against the flesh -
I don't believe I have said that we are exempt from living a sinful lifestyle or that we should abide in unrepentant sin. I am saying that we are born of the Spirit we are God's child - NO MATTER WHAT - we are God's child that is our position - our walk/fellowship/participation in the family can change - in and out of fellowship - that is our walk!
Thank you for responding, Jason. I appreciate it.
#1 - Romans 10:9,10 is not enough?
#2 - When a person is born again - They are born of the Spirit. John 3:6b - The Spirit gives birth to spirit. (water?)
#3 - My mother has been dead for years now and has not been able to participate in the family - but I am still her daughter and she is still my mom - nothing will change that fact. Wasn't talking about our walk - our participation in the family but our position in the family as a son/daughter.
#4&5 - Yes, if we walk after the Spirit; we will not walk after the flesh - again you are talking about our participation in the family NOT our position in the family as a son/daughter.
#6 - I would say that it is normal to struggle with sin - everyone who is born again still lives in the flesh and if the flesh lusteth against the Spirit and the Spirit lusteth against the flesh -
I don't believe I have said that we are exempt from living a sinful lifestyle or that we should abide in unrepentant sin. I am saying that we are born of the Spirit we are God's child - NO MATTER WHAT - we are God's child that is our position - our walk/fellowship/participation in the family can change - in and out of fellowship - that is our walk!
Thank you for responding, Jason. I appreciate it.
#1. No, Romans 10:9-10 is not enough. Isolating a select few verses out of the Bible (While ignoring others) to make a Theology is false. For what exactly is a person being saved from? There sin obviously. So one has to have the right attitude towards their sin when they come to the Lord and when they continue to walk with Him. For if there is no sorrow or remorse over their sin and or if they just plan on sinning tomorrow or in a half hour later after they put into practice Romans 10:9-10, then it really does not mean anything. They would still be unsaved because they have not changed. For to be a new creature or to be changed means you have been born again. If you are still under the first birth, then you will still be like the old man.
#2. Born not of corruptible seed but by incorruptible seed which is the Word of God. This is in context to God's Word. For faith comes by hearing and hearing the Word of God. Ephesians 5:25-26 says that Christ sanctifies the church with the washing of the water of the Word. James says we are begat by the Word of truth. In the Parable of the Sower: The seed that Jesus described that entered a believer's heart is the Word of God which could produce much fruit. Yet, there were others who let themselves fall away after believing. They fell away because of the deceitfulness of riches and or persecution. Yes, we are also born of the Spirit, but this is only so as to re-establish a right relationship with God. When Adam and Eve were first created in the beginning, they did not need to be born again. God created them in a right fellowship with Him. Yet, they were still able to fall away whereby they and their descendants would need a Savior. Yes, we are also born of the Spirit. This is important because this is were the regeneration takes place whereby you will be a new creature that will not want to sin. If you have no desire to please God and you still are just wanting to live for sin and yourself, you haven't been regenerated or born again. We are saved by this regeneration and by His mercy (Titus 3:5). Why? Because we were sorry about our sin and desired Jesus as our Saviior to save us from our sins.
#3. Sonship did not save the richman in Luke 17:25. Abraham called the richman his son and yet the richman was in aa place called "Torments." As I said before, when a family member is dead, they are no longer a LIVING member of your family who can take part in your LIVING life or LIVING activities. They are dead and gone. They can only exist in your memories. They cannot be a part of your LIVING life anymore. You cannot have a two way conversation with them or hold them and or do the things you used to do with them. IIn other words, if certain businesses were looking for a certain family member that they thought was alive, and yet they were dead, you would in some cases notify them that she is no longer living. They are no longer a part of your life or amongst the land of the livng.
#4-5. There is no position in the family if you abide in unrepentant sin because 1 John 1:9 says IF you CONFESS your sins, he is faithful and just to forgive you of your sin. Stop. That's it. No need to go any further. But you would have me believe contrary to this one passage and believe something else. In other words, I want you to give me a complete commentary on 1 John 1:9. Explain every word with it and how we are cleansed of sin. For how can you be cleansed of sin thru confession if you are saying that we are already cleansed by some OSAS belief?
#6. It is not normal to struggle with sin for those who walk after the Spirit. Galatians 5:16 says if we walk after the Spirit we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. Period. No need to add to that verse. It's complete in and of itself. To say so otherwise is just double talk. You either believe that verse or you do not believe it. For Galatians continues and says those who have crucified the affections and lusts are His. Meaning, God is going to help every true believer to stop sinning. They will not living in unrepentant sin thinking they are saved. There is no passage that says that those who abide in sin are His.
You say that you do not believe in living unholy and you are not promoting a sin and still be saved lifestyle. That is great for you personally, but this is not really the fruits we see from the OSAS.
Let me give you a hypothetical example:
Let's say that breaking the speed limit of 65, could put you in prison for 1-2 weeks. What do you think will start to happen if this happened? Well, more people would follow the 65 mph speed limit to the letter more. They would make double sure not to go over it. In other words, there are consequences to breaking certain laws within our country. Some of these consequences are just and good and others are not. The point is that these laws and the consequences of breaking them provides order within our society. It keeps unrestricted chaos and evil at bay. This is justice. Laws. Many of them are there to protect us. But yet, you are saying that you will obey the 65mph rule regardless if there was any real consequence attached to it. But this is just not true. People do not do break certain laws because of the consequences involved. They know if they sleep around a bunch of peole (fornicate), they can bring disease in their life and shame upon their family and or friends. But yet, you are saying God does not care about the consequences of His people breaking His good ways. That they can be out of fellowship (i.e. they can sin against Him) and still be saved.
But this is not what common basic Morality teaches or the Bible teaches.
If you do not forgive, you will not be forgiven.
If you blaspheme (speak bad) against the Holy Spirit you will never be forgiven.
If you take away from God's Word and do not repent, then your part will be taken out of the book of life.
If you take the Mark of the Beast, you will drink the Wrath of God.
There is no such thing as OSAS.
It leads people to think they have a license to sin. Maybe not you personally. But there are many testimonies by others where this is the case (Big time).