Tired of the Big LIE

posthuman · Feb 8, 2015

no, you're still thinking of it in terms of what you have to offer to God rather than what God has for us.

i can't live in perpetual sin, not because if i do i'll overturn the will of heaven and destroy the work of the cross --
i can't live in perpetual sin because the work of the cross is real and effective - the Lord chastens His own children, teaches them and sets them in the way that they should go. i can't go on sinning because the Spirit He put in me, the heart He gave me, the mind He renewed cannot abide by it.
if one that God has truly sealed with His Spirit unto Himself could continue in sin, then the calling of God is revocable.
but read this, and believe it:

God's gifts and his call are irrevocable.
(Romans 11:29)

is my faith in myself?
heck no -- what useless faith is that?! is your faith in your own self? liberate te ex infernis?

my faith is in one who is mighty to save to the utmost. One who works a change in me that no power can overthrow.
God is good!!
why would i praise Him if i was the one doing all the work of salvation?
but this God - my God - He is worthy of all praise!

if the salvation He has wrought for me is conditional, it is conditional on Him, because He is the one who saves.
do you doubt He is able to meet the condition? have faith!

kennethcadwell · Feb 8, 2015

dcontroversal said:

There you go again with the uncalled for negativity just because I do not agree with what you believe on this one scripture.
The bible makes it very clear that are walk in Spirit is to mirror His walk, as being perfect as He is perfect is all about love, obedience, forgiveness, and mercy. The exact same things He showed to us that we are commanded to show to others.

Matthew 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

1 Peter 1:15
But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;

Mirror image scriptures from the Lord and Peter, stating we are to walk in love, obedience, forgiveness, and mercy. This is being perfect and holy by walking as He walked !!!

dcontroversal · Feb 8, 2015

JesusistheChrist said:

Neither is εν.....it simply states the faith Christ.....JESUS is the source of our salvation. justification and faith....as faith is a spiritual GIFT....it is a given that the source of the faith that justifies IS JESUS CHRIST...Numerous scriptures teach this.......

kennethcadwell · Feb 8, 2015

JesusistheChrist said:

We must remember that the way words are used in Greek have multiple meanings, and the way they are translated to English is not appropriate all of the time. Which is why studying comes in, and I prayed and used multiple sources from different scholars on this subject. And I was brought to the conclusion thanks to the Holy Spirit that the context here is about our faith in Him is the same as faith of Him, because they are to be mirror images of each other. Our walk is to mirror that of the Lords of love, obedience, forgiveness, and mercy. If not we are not in Him and He is not in us !!!

kennethcadwell · Feb 8, 2015

dcontroversal said:

The source is Jesus, there is no denial in that, but to tell if one's faith is truly in or of Him is by how one walks.
As many scriptures show that if we walk in love, obedience, forgiveness, and mercy then we are in Him and He is in us. If one is walking contradictory to this then they are not lead by the Spirit......

JesusistheChrist · Feb 8, 2015

kennethcadwell said:

But the word doesn't even appear in the Greek...that's my point.

Anyhow, I wasn't posting that in opposition of what you had said, but rather because for the first time I understand what Dc has been going on about in relation to "the faith OF Christ"...and the word "of" isn't even in the text.

newbirth · Feb 8, 2015

Sirk said:

that is the same as saying you are free to sin....how else can you fail???? so your concept is that you grow in sin...not so ...
Ephesians 4:10-14King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

kennethcadwell · Feb 8, 2015

JesusistheChrist said:

Yes which is why I looked it up and studied it and used multiple sources, the main one being the Lord Himself, to understand why in few use the word of but most of the others use in. This from that study was the context of how are faith is to be shown as exactly the same as He walked. Yeah I know you were not posting in opposition, as I just like to post the full context more than once so that it can sink into others who are seeking the truth.

Sirk · Feb 8, 2015

newbirth said:

that is the same as saying you are free to sin....how else can you fail???? so your concept is that you grow in sin...not so ...
Ephesians 4:10-14King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

Nice try....wrong.....but nice try. Care to try again?

dcontroversal · Feb 8, 2015

kennethcadwell said:

Kenneth do not mistake negativity for facts.....Numerous times by scriptures and words in context you have been proven to be in error and you simply refuse to acknowledge truth from those who disagree with you....it is that simple....so...believe what you will...it does not good to show you truth period......!

The_highwayman · Feb 8, 2015

dcontroversal said:

Brother, faith is a 2 way street

You better read the life of Charles Templeton before making statements like this...

newbirth · Feb 8, 2015

dcontroversal said:

so the object lesson is clear...faith in Him reflects what he stands for...His doctrine....faith of him reflects the type of faith he had...faith that grows...(faith as a mustard seed ...starts small and grows huge)

Ephesians 4:13
Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

kennethcadwell · Feb 8, 2015

dcontroversal said:

Only by your standards and opinions do you state that, not on actual truth as I have not be refuted numerous times on here. Only by you and one other have you tried to say I have been in the wrong on scriptures. The retact is that me and many others have come back and shown how you and the other were in error.
You want to state things based on your understanding and your form of the truth, and if that is how you feel the more then merry to you. However pretty much each time you have tried, I have come back with scriptural evidence that refutes what you said. Then your retact is to get even more negative, and even resort to name calling because of it.
This my brother is not the way of the Lord, as the way of the Lord is to have friendly loving debates between each other. Not resort to those ways, as once again I will restate the gospel message in a nutshell is salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ by faith in Him and His teachings to repent, be baptized, and walk in love, obedience, forgiveness, and mercy to all others.

To reject the underlined would be to reject the whole message of the Lord !!!

Lynx · Feb 8, 2015

When both sides sit down to find out the truth, everyone wins.

When both sides sit down to prove they are right, nobody wins. (But it sure can be entertaining...)

newbirth · Feb 8, 2015

dcontroversal said:

it is clear you do not understand the passage...

then your faith must be the same faith that Jesus had....you need to believe ...Jesus does not believe for you...

we are saved by grace through faith.....and a man is not justified by faith only....

James 2:23-25King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?

the above concerning the faith o Jesus is your opinion...

yes it is your view according to your opinion of the bible......If Christ came and told you the truth you will not change...

1)No a child of God will not live a continual lifestyle of sin
2)Scripture does not say your spirit must be born again...it says you must be born again...of water and of the spirit...
3)'were probably ' means you are speculating...and not certain of your statement...

newbirth · Feb 8, 2015

Sirk said:

what exactly are you saying is wrong...????

you are saying God saved you and made you free to fail...did God give you power to fail ?or to become a son of God?....your quote is rubbish and shows you are not thinking when you make comments....there is no right way to do what is wrong....no good comes from sin

Sirk · Feb 8, 2015

newbirth said:

The words you are trying to put in my mouth.

newbirth · Feb 8, 2015

Sirk said:

that you are free to fail...those came out of your pen....and if you still believe that ....I am telling you that is not a healthy thought....

Kaycie · Feb 8, 2015

Satan told Eve that God was the liar. This is the same when these false doctrines say that God did not say in the bible what He did say in the bible. I've heard it all- there is no hell, God does not judge people, most people are going to heaven, and once you receive grace you can sin all you want worry free. These are things taught by demons. I'm tired of all the big lies and false doctrines, but I know they will persist, but so will I, with the truth.

kennethcadwell · Feb 8, 2015

Kaycie said:

That and the first lie that satan told to Eve, that he is still telling to those of today........

Genesis 3:4
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

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