The curse of the law

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Many believe the law itself is “the curse” but scripture tells us Gods law is holy, just, and good in Romans 7:12 “Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.” So what was the curse? The curse of the law came in by 2 ways, the first is shown here in Deuteronomy 27:26Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen.”

The first part of this curse has to do with
sin as it is written in Romans 7:10-11
[SUP][/SUP]And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.[SUP]11 [/SUP]For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.” Again we see the law was ordained unto life, but the curse came when man could not keep the law because of the weakness of his flesh and sin. So who’s the bad guy here, the law, or sin? If you answered sin then you would be correct. :)


Now for the second part of the curse, which is swearing to the oath. It is written
Galatians 3:10 “For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.”

After Moses had read the law, all the blessings and the curses, the people then bound themselves to the oath by agreeing to keep everything that was written in the law. The word oath in Hebrew can also be defined and shown as the word curse in scripture. And swearing to an oath can also be shown as binding ones soul to a curse as in
Nehemiah 10:29 “They clave to their brethren, their nobles, and entered into a curse, and into an oath, to walk in God's law, which was given by Moses the servant of God, and to observe and do all the commandments of the Lord our Lord, and his judgments and his statutes;”

And in
Daniel 9:11 “Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.” And here is where the curse came in by swearing themselves to the oath in Numbers 30:2 “If a man vow a vow unto the Lord, or swear an oath to bind his soul with a bond; he shall not break his word, he shall do according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth.”

And so being unable to perform the vow to God to keep the whole law, because of the weakness of the
flesh and of sin, then the curses mentioned in the law were put into effect.


Which is why Jesus said Matthew 5:33-37 “Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
[SUP]34 [/SUP]But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:[SUP]35 [/SUP]Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.[SUP]36 [/SUP]Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.[SUP]37 [/SUP]But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of
evil.”


And here again also in
James 5:12 “But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.”

And a word to the wise, if you ever have to go to court and are asked to forswear yourself to an oath, or any other vow or oath for that matter…don’t do it! Peace.
 
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This was killer! LOL! Great job InSpirit

This was really well put, I am glad you posted this one
 
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Many believe the law itself is “the curse” but scripture tells us Gods law is holy, just, and good in Romans 7:12 “Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.” So what was the curse? The curse of the law came in by 2 ways, the first is shown here in Deuteronomy 27:26Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen.”
Good study InSpirit, it's interesting how in the above verses the people came into agreement with the blessings and the curses. Yet before that time there was punishment, (wrath) for sin in the world.

I was looking at Noah, and later the city and tower of Babel. This was long before the law was delivered to Moses, yet in both cases there were consequences for sin.

Before Abraham was born, we have the account of Noah:

Genesis 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Genesis 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

There was a judgment and a standard and the whole earth was destroyed, all but Noah and his family. (Eight souls.)

Then we go to the tower of Babel:

They were building a city with their own hands:

Genesis 11:4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
Genesis 11:5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
Genesis 11:6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.


Psalms 127:1 Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.

In the account when the whole earth was destroyed during the time of Noah, God said a very similar thing regarding Babel, "the imagination of the thoughts of man's heart was wicked continuously," "which they have imagined to do."


Judgement came on Sodom and Gomorrah during the time of Abraham, and later in the word, Nineveh came under judgment, when God sent Jonah to them and they repented at his preaching. (From what I understand, Nineveh was an ancient city in Iraq, so it wasn't part of the land or people of Israel, yet they came under judgement.

Also, Jesus said said that because Nineveh repented, they would rise n judgment with "this" generation, and shall condemn it:

Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Matthew 12:41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.


I was looking at some other passages this morning prayerfully, on what the difference is in regards to those places that experienced the wrath of God who were not "subject" to the Law of God, in the OT, the book of Rev, as well as within Israel and what Jesus said here:

John 9:41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.

John 15:22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no
cloke for their sin.
John 15:23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also.
John 15:24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.

Well, this has sparked some new things for me to study today.... I always appreciate when messages are posted where scripture lines up with scripture.:)

Thank you for sharing your study. Prayerfully considering all of it.




 
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Good study InSpirit, it's interesting how in the above verses the people came into agreement with the blessings and the curses. Yet before that time there was punishment, (wrath) for sin in the world.

I was looking at Noah, and later the city and tower of Babel. This was long before the law was delivered to Moses, yet in both cases there were consequences for sin.

Before Abraham was born, we have the account of Noah:

Genesis 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Genesis 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

There was a judgment and a standard and the whole earth was destroyed, all but Noah and his family. (Eight souls.)

Then we go to the tower of Babel:

They were building a city with their own hands:

Genesis 11:4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
Genesis 11:5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
Genesis 11:6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.


Psalms 127:1 Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.

In the account when the whole earth was destroyed during the time of Noah, God said a very similar thing regarding Babel, "the imagination of the thoughts of man's heart was wicked continuously," "which they have imagined to do."


Judgement came on Sodom and Gomorrah during the time of Abraham, and later in the word, Nineveh came under judgment, when God sent Jonah to them and they repented at his preaching. (From what I understand, Nineveh was an ancient city in Iraq, so it wasn't part of the land or people of Israel, yet they came under judgement.

Also, Jesus said said that because Nineveh repented, they would rise n judgment with "this" generation, and shall condemn it:

Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Matthew 12:41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.


I was looking at some other passages this morning prayerfully, on what the difference is in regards to those places that experienced the wrath of God who were not "subject" to the Law of God, in the OT, the book of Rev, as well as within Israel and what Jesus said here:

John 9:41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.

John 15:22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no
cloke for their sin.
John 15:23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also.
John 15:24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.

Well, this has sparked some new things for me to study today.... I always appreciate when messages are posted where scripture lines up with scripture.:)

Thank you for sharing your study. Prayerfully considering all of it.




Yes we know there was judgment to those even before the law, for all unrighteousness is sin. Even Paul showed the same...

Romans 2:12
For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

So having no law, or trying to do away with Gods law or His words will not get one off the hook. (so to speak) :)

And thank you for your kind words as well, always happy to share, freely I was given so freely I give. Peace.
 

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ISIT,

Excellent study!
 
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ISIT,

Excellent study!
Again, thank you guys so much, it really means a lot to me. But let the praise and glory be to God the Father and to His Son Jesus Christ, without whom I would not even exist, nor could I ever understood or even written these things. God bless.
 
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DesiredHaven

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Hey!

I praise our God and thank the LORD for you too Bro!

He blessed me through you as he often does

(so there)

I know its not you unless you screw things up... then its you (lol)

But hey...






(( hugs & a hi five )) to you

Our God is good!

You are correct though, as much as I might save my praises and thank yous behind this monitor, I should start changing that, because He is deserving of the same before among us.

So thanks, and God bless you again
 
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Nice post. And I agree. No one can keep the law as required. Saved or not saved, so as before the law was given, All men are condemned. Because ALL have sinned, and fallen short of the glory (perfection of the law) of God.

which leaves only grace as a means to salvation. for everything else would fall short.
 
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Many believe the law itself is “the curse” but scripture tells us Gods law is holy, just, and good in Romans 7:12 “Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.”
So what was the curse
?
The curse was the punishment for violating the terms of the covenant; i.e., the law.

The curse of the law came in by 2 ways, the first is shown here in Deuteronomy 27:6 "Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen"
The first part of this curse has to do with sin as it is written in Romans 7:10-11[SUP][/SUP]And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.[SUP]11 [/SUP]For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceivedme, and by it slew me.” Again we see the law was ordained unto life, but the curse came when man could not keep the law because of the weakness of his flesh and sin. So who’s the bad guy here, the law, or sin? If you answered sin then you would be correct. :)

Now for the second part of the curse, which is swearing to the
oath.
Isn't that redundant?

Swearing is an oath.

Where is this "swearing to the oath" regarding the Sinaitic covenant found in Scripture?
The people said they would "do everything the LORD has said."
That is swearing, that is an oath--the same things, but it is not swearing to an oath.

They swore/vowed to comply with the terms of the covenant, which included punishments for disobedience to its terms.

You are making something which is very simple and clear into something which is very involved and complicated.

Galatians 3:10 “For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.”

After Moses had read the law, all the blessings and the curses, the people then bound themselves to the oath
Where does Scripture state they "bound themselves to the oath"?

They vowed/bound themselves to the terms of the covenant, which included punishment for its violation.

by agreeing to keep everything that was written in the law. The word oath in Hebrew can also be defined and shown as the word curse in scripture.
Yes, in accepting the covenant, they thereby accepted its terms, which included punishment (curses) for violation of the covenant.

And swearing to an oath can also be shown as binding ones soul to a curse
That redundancy again. . .

Yes, they "bound" their disobedience to the covenant's terms regarding disobedience, which was punishment.

as in Nehemiah 10:29 "They clave to their brethren, their nobles, and entered into a curse, and into an oath, to walk in God's law, which was given by Moses the servant of God, and to observe and do all the commandments of the Lord our Lord, and his judgments and his statutes;”

And in
Daniel 9:11 “Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.” And here is where the curse came in by swearing themselves to the oath in Numbers 30:2 “If a man vow a vow unto the Lord, or swear an oath to bind his soul with a bond; he shall not break his word, he shall do according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth.”

And so
being unable to perform the vow to God to keep the whole law, because of the weakness of the flesh and of sin, then the curses mentioned in the law were put into effect.
Now that is the simple and clear correct terminology, minus the involved and unclear redundancy.

That one statement can replace all of the above.

The curses being part of the terms of the covenant, their being "put into effect" is what is meant by agreeing to the terms of the covenant.


Which is why Jesus said Matthew 5:33-37 “Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
[SUP]34 [/SUP]But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:[SUP]35 [/SUP]Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.[SUP]36 [/SUP]Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.[SUP]37 [/SUP]But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
And here again also in James 5:12 “But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth,neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.”
Neither Jesus or James are talking about taking solemn oaths, such as God's before Abraham (Heb 6:13), or Jesus' before Caiaphas (Mt 26:63-64), or Paul's (Ro 1:9, 9:1) or a man's before the Lord (Ex 22:11).
Both are talking about the flippant use of God's name or a sacred object in everyday language to guarantee the truth of what happened.


And a word to the wise, if you ever have to go to court and are asked to forswear yourself to an oath, or any other vow or oath for that matter…don’t do it! Peace.
The Scriptures do not teach such.
 
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Isn't that redundant?

Swearing is an oath.

Where is this "swearing to the oath" regarding the Sinaitic covenant found in Scripture?
The people said they would "do everything the LORD has said."
That is swearing, that is an oath--the same things, but it is not swearing to an oath.

They swore/vowed to comply with the terms of the covenant, which included punishments for disobedience to its terms.

You are making something which is very simple and clear into something which is very involved and complicated.

Where does Scripture state they "bound themselves to the oath"?

They vowed/bound themselves to the terms of the covenant, which included punishment for its violation.

Neither Jesus or James are talking about taking solemn oaths,


The Scriptures do not teach such.
His Covenant/ His oath....swearing to the Covenant is same as swearing to His oath.

Deuteronomy 29:12
That thou shouldest enter into covenant with the Lord thy God, and into his oath, which the Lord thy God maketh with thee this day:

Deuteronomy 29:14
Neither with you only do I make this covenant and this oath;

Also to bind ones soul I showed in the OP....

Numbers 30:2 “If a man vow a vow unto the Lord, or swear an oath to bind his soul with a bond; he shall not break his word, he shall do according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth.”

And yes I believe the scriptures do teach such, which is why I provided them, including James where it says "neither by any other oath" I believe this includes All oaths

James 5:12 “But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth,neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.”
 
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His Covenant/ His oath....swearing to the Covenant is same as swearing to His oath.
Okay, so they weren't swearing to their own oath, they were swearing to God's oath.

That solves my redundancy problem.

Deuteronomy 29:12
That thou shouldest enter into covenant with the Lord thy God, and into his oath, which the Lord thy God maketh with thee this day:

Deuteronomy 29:14
Neither with you only do I make this covenant and this oath;

Also to bind ones soul I showed in the OP....
Numbers 30:2 “If a man vow a vow unto the Lord, or swear an oath to bind his soul with a bond; he shall not break his word, he shall do according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth.”

And yes
I believe the scriptures do teach such, which is why I provided them, including James where it says "neither by any other oath" I believe this includes All oaths

James 5:12 “But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth,neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.”
Your understanding is not in agreement with the whole counsel of God.

Neither Jesus or James are talking about taking solemn oaths, such as God's before Abraham (Heb 6:13), or Jesus' before Caiaphas (Mt 26:63-64), or Paul's oath (Ro 1:9, 9:1) or a man's oath before the Lord (Ex 22:11).

Rather, both are talking about the flippant use of God's name or a sacred object in everyday language to guarantee the truth of what happened.
 
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hmmm, you know what I don't think we have enough law threads:b
 
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Your understanding is not in agreement with the whole counsel of God.

Neither Jesus or James are talking about taking solemn oaths,
Or perhaps my understanding is not in agreement with your understanding. :) And I didn't say God did not swear any oaths, but if He does he can perform them, unlike many men. Also, I did not say other men in the Bible have not made vows or sworn oaths, so that is just a straw man argument.

What I did say is the same as what Jesus said here "But I say unto you, Swear not at all;" I believe that is the council of God, and I also believe "Swear not at all" means just that. Just as James said by the Spirit in...James 5:12 “But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth,neither by any other oath:"

So we have "Swear not at all" and "swear not"..... "neither by any other oath". I personally believe I can understand that, but not everyone understands the way I do.
 
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Thats how I understood you to mean, I certain cant see whats off with it or how it doesnt self confirm in these things.

Heres one not up there,

What is this word?

This one is used once, perjured persons AVperjured person 1,

is it the same as the others?

This one

perjured persons.png

I always hate missing that stray lol
 
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Or perhaps my understanding is not in agreement with your understanding. :) And I didn't say God did not swear any oaths, but if He does he can perform them, unlike many men. Also, I did not say other men in the Bible have not made vows or sworn oaths, so that is just a straw man argument.

What I did say is the same as what Jesus said here "But I say unto you, Swear not at all;"I believe that is the council of God, and I also believe "Swear not at all" means just that. Just as James said by the Spirit in...James 5:12 “But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth,neither by any other oath:"

So we have "Swear not at all" and "swear not"..... "neither by any other oath". I personally believe I can understand that, but not everyone understands the way I do.
I include other Scriptures relevant to the point in my understanding in order to get the complete meaning:
God's before Abraham (Heb 6:13),
Jesus' before Caiaphas (Mt 26:63-64),
Paul's oath (Ro 1:9, 9:1)
a man's oath before the Lord (Ex 22:11).
 
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Heres two

anathema.png


And this one


bound under a curse NT.png

Mark 14:71 But he began to curse [SUP]G332 [/SUP]and to swear*,[SUP]G3660 [/SUP]saying, I know not this man of whom ye speak.

Acts 23:12
And when it was day, certain of the Jews banded together, and bound[SUP]G332[/SUP] themselves under a curse,[SUP]G331[/SUP] saying that they would neither eat nor drink till they had killed Paul.

Acts 23:14
And they came to the chief priests and elders, and said,
We have bound[SUP]G332[/SUP] ourselves under a great curse[SUP]G331[/SUP], that we will eat nothing until we have slain Paul.

Acts 23:21 But do not thou yield unto them: for there lie in wait for him of them more than forty men,
which have bound*[SUP]G332[/SUP][SUP]G0[/SUP] themselves with an oath, [SUP]G332[/SUP] that they will neither eat nor drink till they have killed him: and now are they ready, looking for a promise from thee.

1 Cr 12:3 For I could wish that myself were accursed [SUP]G331 [/SUP]from Christ for my brethren,
my kinsmen according to the flesh:


 
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Thats how I understood you to mean, I certain cant see whats off with it or how it doesnt self confirm in these things.

Heres one not up there,

What is this word?

This one is used once, perjured persons AVperjured person 1,

is it the same as the others?

This one

View attachment 109217

I always hate missing that stray lol
Yeah that's what happens when a person lies "under oath" :), that's also shown in the curse of the flying scroll for those who "swear" or "swear falsely".....

Zechariah 5:3[SUP]3 [/SUP]Then said he unto me, This is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it.


Zechariah 5:4
I will bring it forth, saith the Lord of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief, and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name: and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof.
 
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Heres two

View attachment 109219


And this one


View attachment 109218

Mark 14:71 But he began to curse [SUP]G332 [/SUP]and to swear*,[SUP]G3660 [/SUP]saying, I know not this man of whom ye speak.

Acts 23:12
And when it was day, certain of the Jews banded together,and bound[SUP]G332[/SUP] themselves under a curse,[SUP]G331[/SUP] saying that they would neither eat nor drink till they had killed Paul.

Acts 23:14
And they came to the chief priests and elders, and said,
We have bound[SUP]G332[/SUP] ourselves under a great curse[SUP]G331[/SUP], that we will eat nothing until we have slain Paul.

Acts 23:21 But do not thou yield unto them: for there lie in wait for him of them more than forty men,
which have bound*[SUP]G332[/SUP][SUP]G0[/SUP] themselves with an oath, [SUP]G332[/SUP] that they will neither eat nor drink till they have killed him: and now are they ready, looking for a promise from thee.

1 Cr 12:3 For I could wish that myself were accursed [SUP]G331 [/SUP]from Christ for my brethren,
my kinsmen according to the flesh:


I know a lot of people are ignorant of this "binding ones self under a curse" but knowing it, why would one even think about doing it? I know I refused it....you know the story. :)
 
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All of this swearing going on here ;) How about....Let your yea's be yea and your nay's be nay....anything above and beyond this is sin? ;) HAHAHHAH