The following is a quote from another thread by one who has come to be one of the main opponents to what they believe is a false belief system.
While I admire their passion, I'm a little surprised at their quickness to believe things that are spoken about those who preach the Gospel of Grace (labeled 'Hyper Grace' by authors/teachers/preachers who mix Law and Grace).
Why so many 'Hyper-Grace' threads?
Most of those threads have not been 'Hyper Grace' (as one poster was accused of making - I went through the list of threads he's started - all 87), but have been threads of encouragement to build you believers up in who you are in Christ! Most of the rest have been either attacks by others based on false information about on 'Hyper-Grace' or defenses against those attacks by those who have been seeking to build others UP in their faith.
The mis-perceptions about the Gospel of Grace are many, and one good example is below:
Yet Scripture says:
30 It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption.31 Therefore, as it is written: “Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord.” (from 1 Cor. 1)
Yes, we are either born of the Spirit or we are not, and it is a gift from God - agreed.
Your next sentence gives a false dichotomy, however: "Those who are born again of the Holy Spirit will be able to cease from sin, those who cannot cease from sin are called cursed children in scripture."
Those who are born of the Spirit WILL be able to cease from sin - we always have a choice, yes.
Those who are born of the Spirit, however, CAN STILL SIN, and admit it or not, we - you, me, and every other born-of-the-Spirit believer in this life still DOES sin on occasion. It's not who we are, it's not what we want, but we still DO sin.
And believe it or not, there are born-of-the-Spirit-believers out there who STRUGGLE with sinning - addictions, pride, selfishness, bearing false witness . . .
Since the wages of sin is DEATH and not 'loss of fellowship' or punishment until the 'debt is paid', God has constructed His Gospel so that even when we do sin, Scripture tells us that
*** Acts 10:43. What I love about forums like this (and I'm being real here - I really do love this part), is that, for me, I'm pushed to the Scriptures to see what God has to say on a matter. When a belief that I hold is challenged, I go to the Scriptures, go to the Greek when a word's definition is needing clarification/definition, consider context, etc., I'm willing to dive in to see what's what. With that in mind, and for your consideration, here's Acts 10:43:
So in reality, after 'whosoever believeth in Him' believes in Him, they are released from bondage and have received forgiveness/pardon of sins - as if they had never been committed!
That's how God can say that He chooses to be merciful to and remember no more our sins while still being JUST. His Justice was satisfied at the Cross.
That's how we can be free from the power of sin:
That is the message of the Gospel of Grace - you are a forgiven person, now go out an live as who you are in Christ!
All this 'Hyper-Grace' condemnation is very misplaced - those condemning the Gospel of Grace are condemning the very tenets of the faith that they claim to embrace.
Boasting in God and His Gospel (Good News),
-JGIG
While I admire their passion, I'm a little surprised at their quickness to believe things that are spoken about those who preach the Gospel of Grace (labeled 'Hyper Grace' by authors/teachers/preachers who mix Law and Grace).
Why so many 'Hyper-Grace' threads?
Most of those threads have not been 'Hyper Grace' (as one poster was accused of making - I went through the list of threads he's started - all 87), but have been threads of encouragement to build you believers up in who you are in Christ! Most of the rest have been either attacks by others based on false information about on 'Hyper-Grace' or defenses against those attacks by those who have been seeking to build others UP in their faith.
The mis-perceptions about the Gospel of Grace are many, and one good example is below:
You cannot believe yourself to be righteous no matter how much thought you take about God's grace. Believing yourself to be righteous when you are not is nothing more than delusional, as is shown by proclaiming yourself to be something when your sinful actions prove otherwise. This believing yourself to be righteous is nothing more than a self proclaimed self-righteousness, and shows the error in Mr Princes thinking.
Yet Scripture says:
30 It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption.31 Therefore, as it is written: “Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord.” (from 1 Cor. 1)
We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God. 21 God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. (from 2 Cor. 5)
You cannot give new birth to yourself no matter how much wishful thinking you do. You are either born again of the Holy Spirit, or you are not. Those who are born again of the Holy Spirit will be able to cease from sin, those who cannot cease from sin are called cursed children in scripture. This was in response to post #15.
Yes, we are either born of the Spirit or we are not, and it is a gift from God - agreed.
Your next sentence gives a false dichotomy, however: "Those who are born again of the Holy Spirit will be able to cease from sin, those who cannot cease from sin are called cursed children in scripture."
Those who are born of the Spirit WILL be able to cease from sin - we always have a choice, yes.
Those who are born of the Spirit, however, CAN STILL SIN, and admit it or not, we - you, me, and every other born-of-the-Spirit believer in this life still DOES sin on occasion. It's not who we are, it's not what we want, but we still DO sin.
And believe it or not, there are born-of-the-Spirit-believers out there who STRUGGLE with sinning - addictions, pride, selfishness, bearing false witness . . .
Since the wages of sin is DEATH and not 'loss of fellowship' or punishment until the 'debt is paid', God has constructed His Gospel so that even when we do sin, Scripture tells us that
- All of our sins have already been completely forgiven at the Cross (Ps. 103:12, Is. 1:18, Col. 2:13, 1 Jn. 1:9, Acts 10:43***see below, and sooo many others)
- God chooses to not hold our sins against us (2 Cor. 5:18-19)
- God declared BEFORE the Cross that in His New Covenant He would CHOOSE to be merciful to our iniquities and remember our sins no more (Is. 43:25, Jer. 31:34, Heb. 8:12)
*** Acts 10:43. What I love about forums like this (and I'm being real here - I really do love this part), is that, for me, I'm pushed to the Scriptures to see what God has to say on a matter. When a belief that I hold is challenged, I go to the Scriptures, go to the Greek when a word's definition is needing clarification/definition, consider context, etc., I'm willing to dive in to see what's what. With that in mind, and for your consideration, here's Acts 10:43:
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
- release from bondage or imprisonment
- forgiveness or pardon, of sins (letting them go as if they had never been committed), remission of the penalty
So in reality, after 'whosoever believeth in Him' believes in Him, they are released from bondage and have received forgiveness/pardon of sins - as if they had never been committed!
That's how God can say that He chooses to be merciful to and remember no more our sins while still being JUST. His Justice was satisfied at the Cross.
That's how we can be free from the power of sin:
9 We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him. 10 For the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God. 11 So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions. 13 Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness.14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace. (from Rom. 6)
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions. 13 Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness.14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace. (from Rom. 6)
That is the message of the Gospel of Grace - you are a forgiven person, now go out an live as who you are in Christ!
All this 'Hyper-Grace' condemnation is very misplaced - those condemning the Gospel of Grace are condemning the very tenets of the faith that they claim to embrace.
Boasting in God and His Gospel (Good News),
-JGIG