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Originally Posted by PaulMack
Nobody can keep the whole Law, not even you disciplemike.


how did you get that conclusion from that passage?[

/QUOTE]


We get the conclusion that no one can keep the Law but Christ from numerous passages of which this is one.

Acts 15:10-11 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] "Now therefore why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?

[SUP]11 [/SUP] "But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they also are."

The yoke was the Law. Christ is the fulfillment of the Law. The Law was but a mere shadow of the real substance of which is Christ Himself.
 
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Originally Posted by PaulMack
Nobody can keep the whole Law, not even you disciplemike.


how did you get that conclusion from that passage?[

/QUOTE]


We get the conclusion that no one can keep the Law but Christ from numerous passages of which this is one.

I have longed for thy salvation (Hebrew "Yeshua"), O YHVH; and thy law [is] my delight.
Let my soul live, and it shall praise thee; and let thy judgments help me.
Psalms 119:174-175 (KJV, MBM)

Imagine that. King David understood, you can have salvation AND delight in God's instructions!!!

Praise our mighty King!!
 
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Originally Posted by PaulMack
Nobody can keep the whole Law, not even you disciplemike.




I have longed for thy salvation (Hebrew "Yeshua"), O YHVH; and thy law [is] my delight.
Let my soul live, and it shall praise thee; and let thy judgments help me.
Psalms 119:174-175 (KJV, MBM)

Imagine that. King David understood, you can have salvation AND delight in God's instructions!!!

Praise our mighty King!!
Christ is our salvation! - not the Law. Christ has fulfilled the Law. Remember what is in the Law is a mere shadow of the real substance which is Christ Himself.

God's instructions in the New Covenant are to believe in His Son's finished work on the cross and resurrection - and to love. 1 John 3:23

You always neglect the Lord Jesus Christ for the Law. This is why your religion is anti-Christ. Come to Christ disciplemike!

Receive and believe Christ your life by grace through faith. The Law is not of faith.
 
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Christ is our salvation! - not the Law. Christ has fulfilled the Law. Remember what is in the Law is a mere shadow of the real substance which is Christ Himself.

You always neglect the Lord Jesus Christ for the Law. This is why your religion is anti-Christ. Come to Christ disciplemike!
Slow down your copy/paste button and read the verses.
Kind David wanted both.
I want both.
Truth is, you won't like the Kingdom of God if you don't like rules.
Maybe you can find another neighborhood?
 
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Slow down your copy/paste button and read the verses.
Kind David wanted both.
I want both.
Truth is, you won't like the Kingdom of God if you don't like rules.
Maybe you can find another neighborhood?
You need to read the New Covenant - the Old Covenant is obsolete and is a goner. Christ has taken it's place.

You should be in the Judaism website trying to get them to believe in Christ. Instead you are here trying to get people to go back to the Law and desert Christ. Gal.1:6

No one here is going to fall for your anti-Christ religion. This is the reason you are getting so much flack from so many members here. This is a Christ-based website - not a Judaism one.
 
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Slow down your copy/paste button and read the verses.
Kind David wanted both.
I want both.
Truth is, you won't like the Kingdom of God if you don't like rules.
Maybe you can find another neighborhood?

I keep posting these so that new Christians will not fall for this anti-Christ religion that you are espousing here.

The Law of Moses is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. We are to now eat of the tree of Life which is Christ Himself.

We do not follow Moses' Laws in the kingdom of Christ - we are in Him. His life is in us now and we can trust the Holy Spirit within us to guide us in life now. Romans 8:14

James says that it one breaks one law then they are guilty of the whole Law. You can pick and choose which ones you are going to live by. Either you pick the Law or you pick Christ.

The only "laws" that real Christians have today because we are "dead to the Law of Moses" are these below.

1) the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus. - Romans 8:2

2) the law of love - Romans 13:8, 10 : Gal 5:14

3) the law of faith ( the Law is NOT of faith Gal. 3:12 ) - Romans 3:27 and Gal. 3:11, 23

4) the law of liberty in Christ Jesus - James 1:25; 2:12

5) the law of Christ - Himself - 1 Cor. 9:21 ; Gal. 6:2

We don't need to "obey" Lev. 18:23 to not have sex with animals now because the law of the spirit of Life in Christ Jesus will stop that within us. We can trust the Lord by the Spirit of God inside of us to lead us now that we are in Christ. Romans 8:14

Read the OT and Old Covenant to see Jesus in them and being all fulfilled by Him alone.

Our life in not in "laws of Moses". They were a shadow of the real thing which is Christ Himself.

This is why Jesus often preached Moses 2.0 on steroids to reveal the truth nature of the Law - which can be seen in scriptures like .." You have heard it said - You shall not murder ..BUT "I" tell you if you have anger towards a person - you have murdered them".

To go back to live by the Law of Moses is committing spiritual adultery on our Lord Jesus because we have died to the Law SO THAT we could be joined to Another - Christ Himself as one spirit together in our inner man.

We just need to have our minds renewed to the truth of the new creation in Christ now so that we can walk out what already is inside of us because of Christ.

We live now by the life of Christ Himself living in and through us which is why we are dead to the Law.

"For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God". Col. 3:3
 
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You need to read the New Covenant.
It seemeth that you need to read the New Covenant!

A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do [them].
Ezekiel 36:26-27 (KJV, MBM)
 
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We do not follow Moses' Laws in the kingdom of Christ - we are in Him. His life is in us now and we can trust the Holy Spirit within us to guide us in life now. Romans 8:14
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do [them].
Ezekiel 36:26-27 (KJV, MBM)
 
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It seemeth that you need to read the New Covenant!

A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do [them].
Ezekiel 36:26-27 (KJV, MBM)

The Law Written on Our Hearts is not the Ten Commandments




This is the covenant I will make with them after that time,” says the Lord. “I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds.” (Heb 10:16)
“This is obviously a reference to the law of Moses,” says the law-preacher. “The Ten Commandments were written in stone, now they’re written in the hearts and minds of God’s people.”

Not true. Here are seventeen reasons why God has not written the Ten Commandments on your heart:

1. The law inflames sin (Rom 5:20) and the strength of sin is the law (1 Cor 15:56). Why would God want to stir up sin in your life?

2. The law condemns (2 Cor 3:9), yet there is no condemnation to those in Christ.

3. The law ministers death (2 Cor 3:7), but God wants you to enjoy abundant life.

4. Law and grace don’t mix. You are under grace, not law (Rom 6:14).

5. Living by the law will alienate you from Christ (Gal 5:4).

6. Living by the law is cheating on Jesus (Rom 7:1-6). Why would God do anything to encourage spiritual adultery?

7. We’re to live by faith but the law is not of faith (Gal 3:12). The law encourages us to depend on ourselves instead of Jesus.

8. Those who live under the law are under a curse (Gal 3:10). Why would God curse those he has blessed?

9. The law binds and enslaves (Rom 7:6), but Jesus wants you free.

10. The law keeps you immature for it makes nothing perfect or complete (Heb 7:19).

11. We have died to the law so that we may serve in the new way of the Spirit and “not in the old way of the written code” (Rom 7:6).

12. When there has been a change of priesthood, the law must be changed also (Heb 7:12). For God to write the old law on our hearts would be like saying Aaron is greater than Jesus.

13. God found fault with the law-keeping covenant and made it obsolete (Heb 8:7,13). Why would God insult his Son’s sacrifice by giving you the very thing his sacrifice rendered obsolete?

14. The law is a shadow of the good things to come and not the reality (Heb 10:1). Why would God give you the shadow instead of “the good thing”?

15. The Jews considered the law to be ordained by angels (Heb 2:2). If so, says the author of Hebrews, then it is inferior to the gospel of Jesus (Heb 1:4). Why would God give you an inferior gift?

16. Some Christians think that God gives them the law as a guide to live by, but why would God want you to repeat the mistake of the Galatians (Gal 3:2)? Why would God do anything to make you fall from grace?

17. The old law-keeping covenant required an accounting or remembering of sin, but the new covenant is characterized by God forgiving and forgetting on account of Jesus (Heb 10:17). If the law that God writes in our hearts is the law of Moses, then Jesus died for nothing.

If God has written the Ten Commandments on your heart and mind, you should be able to list all ten with no trouble. Can you? What’s the seventh commandment? You can’t do it because it’s not there, and a very good thing that is too! If the law that God writes in our hearts is the law of Moses, you’re in big trouble.

The good news is that God has written in us a far better law. What is this new and better law?

https://escapetoreality.org/2015/04/17/law-in-hearts-ten-commandments/
 
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Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law:
for sin is the transgression of the law.
1 John 3:4 (KJV, MBM)




Blessed [is] the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly,
nor standeth in the way of sinners,
nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
But his delight [is] in the law of YHVH;
and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

Is this done away with??? I don't think so.





Psalms 1:1-2 (KJV, MBM)
 
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A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do [them].
Ezekiel 36:26-27 (KJV, MBM)

What is this new law that is written on our hearts seeing as we know it's not the ten commandments in the form given in the Law.

What is this New Covenant that Ezekiel is prophesying about that was to come and now is here manifested in Christ's finished work on the cross and resurrection
?

What is the Law Written on Our Hearts?


Six-hundred years before Jesus came, the prophet Jeremiah spoke of a new covenant that God would make with his people:
“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time,” declares the Lord. “I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’ because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest.” (Jer 31:33-34)

What is the law that God writes on our hearts and minds? Here are three things it is not:


  • It is not the law of Moses. As we saw in the last post, if God wrote the Ten Commandments on our hearts then Jesus died for nothing.


  • It is not a new and improved version of the law. It is not the new commands of Jesus or the New Testament. We cannot please God by keeping a new law any more than we could please him by keeping an old one.


  • It is not the knowledge of right and wrong that was bestowed upon us – against the Lord’s wishes – by Adam.

So what is this law that the Lord writes on our hearts and minds and embeds in our very being?

It is Christ Himself.

Let’s look at three things the New Testament says about the new law in our hearts.

1. The law of love

A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. (John 13:34)

Under the old law covenant, love was demanded from you. “Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength.”

But under the new covenant of grace, love is given to you – “As I have loved you” – and out of the overflow of Christ’s measureless love we are able to love others.

How does it happen?

God’s love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us. (Rom 5:5)

God abundantly pours his love into our hearts by giving us the Holy Spirit, a.k.a. the Spirit of Christ. Do you see the difference between the old and new?


  • Under the old, the law was a rule for weak men to obey. Under the new, the Law is the Spirit of Christ given to us, loving us, and loving others through us.


  • Under the old, you loved others because you feared punishment. But under the new, you love because a Lover lives in you and it is his nature to love.


  • Under the old, you had to make an effort to obey. But under the new you have to make an effort to disobey. It’s a whole new way of life.

2. The law of the Spirit of life

It’s important that you understand the difference between the old law (a written code you can’t keep) and the new Law (Christ himself, living in you). Try and live by the old laws, as Paul did, and it make you miserable:

What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? (Rom 7:24)

Paul couldn’t keep the old law no matter how hard he tried. He needed a new law and that new law is a Who:

Who will rescue me…? Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Rom 7:24-25a)

Do you see? The old law is a what; the new law is a Who. The old law ministers condemnation and death (2 Cor 3:7-9), but the new “law of the Spirit gives life” (Rom 8:2).

For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. (2 Cor 3:6)

Who gives life? Not a set of rules, but the Spirit of Christ within you. The new law is a Who.

3. The perfect law of liberty

James wrote of “the perfect law that gives freedom” (Jas 1:25), which can be contrasted with the law of Moses that binds (Rom 7:6). What is the perfect law that gives freedom? Well, what is the implanted word that can save you (Jas 1:21)? It’s not the Ten Commandments or the Bible. It’s Jesus, the living Word who sets us free.

The perfect law of liberty describes what Jesus has done (perfectly fulfilled or completed the law) and the fruit he will bear in our lives (liberty) if we trust him.

But whoever looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues in it – not forgetting what they have heard, but doing it – they will be blessed in what they do. (Jas 1:25)

Look into the mirror of Moses’ law and you will be miserable, for it exposes all your faults. But look into the perfect law which is Jesus and you will be blessed, for it reveals his righteousness.

“Don’t just listen but do what it (the perfect law of liberty) says” (Jas 1:22). In other words, allow the Spirit of Christ to convince you that in him you are righteous and holy.

Don’t walk away from the perfect law and forget who you are in Christ. Fix your eyes on Jesus. Look intently with an unveiled face and be transformed into his likeness.

The Law written in our hearts is Jesus

Jeremiah said those who had the new law written on their hearts would know the Lord and would no longer need others to teach them. This is describing your union with Christ. One with the Lord you have the mind of Christ (1 Cor 2:16). His Spirit dwells in you and teaches you all things (John 14:26).




The law of the Lord written into your members is your Father’s spiritual DNA. It is the seed of God birthed in you by the Holy Spirit. It’s Jesus Himself.

How do you know He’s there? Because you are a new creation with new hopes and desires. You no longer want to sin. Your desire is to love God and others and that desire has nothing to do with old rules written in stone.

Christian, you are who you are because Christ lives in you. He is the new law written, by God, in your heart and mind.

https://escapetoreality.org/2015/04/23/what-is-the-law-written-on-our-hearts/

 
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What is this new law that is written on our hearts seeing as we know it's not the ten commandments in the form given in the Law.

What is this New Covenant that Ezekiel is prophesying about that was to come and now is here manifested in Christ's finished work on the cross and resurrection
?

What is the Law Written on Our Hearts?


Six-hundred years before Jesus came, the prophet Jeremiah spoke of a new covenant that God would make with his people:
“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time,” declares the Lord. “I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’ because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest.” (Jer 31:33-34)

What is the law that God writes on our hearts and minds?
wrong.

And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:
That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God.
Ezekiel 11:19-20 (KJV, MBM)
 
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wrong.

And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:
That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God.
Ezekiel 11:19-20 (KJV, MBM)
Again you reveal your anti-Christ stance by continuously leaving out the work of Christ to replace Him for your law-keeping. This is one of the reasons why your religion is against Christ and what He has done for us.

Christ has fulfilled the Law and the Law was a mere shadow of the real substance which is Christ Himself. No one is going to fall for your religion here. This is a Christian forum.

Christians should be trying to get the Judaism people to come to Christ - instead you are here trying to get people to desert Christ for your law-keeping. It's anti-Christ. Gal. 1:5
 
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Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1 John 3:4 (KJV, MBM)




He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer [shall be] abomination. Proverbs 28:9 (KJV, MBM)
 
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You really need to read and study this disciplemike.

Romans 2:17-29
[SUP]17 [/SUP]But if you bear the name “Jew” and rely upon the Law and boast in God, [SUP]18 [/SUP]and know His will and approve the things that are essential, being instructed out of the Law, [SUP]19 [/SUP]and are confident that you yourself are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in darkness, [SUP]20 [/SUP]a corrector of the foolish, a teacher of the immature, having in the Law the embodiment of knowledge and of the truth, [SUP]21 [/SUP]you, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that one shall not steal, do you steal? [SUP]22 [/SUP]You who say that one should not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? [SUP]23 [/SUP]You who boast in the Law, through your breaking the Law, do you dishonor God? [SUP]24 [/SUP]For “the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you,” just as it is written.

[SUP]25 [/SUP]For indeed circumcision is of value if you practice the Law; but if you are a transgressor of the Law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision. [SUP]26 [/SUP]So if the uncircumcised man keeps the requirements of the Law, will not his uncircumcision be regarded as circumcision? [SUP]27 [/SUP]And he who is physically uncircumcised, if he keeps the Law, will he not judge you who though having the letter of the Law and circumcision are a transgressorof the Law? [SUP]28 [/SUP]For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. [SUP]29 [/SUP]But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.
 
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You really need to read and study this disciplemike.

Romans 2:17-29
[SUP]17 [/SUP]But if you bear the name “Jew” and rely upon the Law and boast in God, [SUP]18 [/SUP]and know His will and approve the things that are essential, being instructed out of the Law, [SUP]19 [/SUP]and are confident that you yourself are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in darkness, [SUP]20 [/SUP]a corrector of the foolish, a teacher of the immature, having in the Law the embodiment of knowledge and of the truth, [SUP]21 [/SUP]you, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that one shall not steal, do you steal? [SUP]22 [/SUP]You who say that one should not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? [SUP]23 [/SUP]You who boast in the Law, through your breaking the Law, do you dishonor God? [SUP]24 [/SUP]For “the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you,” just as it is written.

[SUP]25 [/SUP]For indeed circumcision is of value if you practice the Law; but if you are a transgressor of the Law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision. [SUP]26 [/SUP]So if the uncircumcised man keeps the requirements of the Law, will not his uncircumcision be regarded as circumcision? [SUP]27 [/SUP]And he who is physically uncircumcised, if he keeps the Law, will he not judge you who though having the letter of the Law and circumcision are a transgressorof the Law? [SUP]28 [/SUP]For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. [SUP]29 [/SUP]But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.
It looks like that passage is saying if someone is going to teach, they should be obedient to the law first.
am I missing something?
teach me.
 
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Ok scribes and Lawyers what is your excuse for this passage?

Romans 13.8-9
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For this, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” [SUP]10 [/SUP]Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.