GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[phil36]

You indeed teach another Gospel and another Jesus not from Gods' Word to follow the deeds of your father. As Studyman has already shown you through scripture. If you follow man-made traditions that break the commandments of God then you are indeed not following God.

Hi Loveforgod,

Your statement above is a very interesting one. Of course we all on here already know what you are really saying - and that is if you do not observe the OT Sabbath you are not a Christian. You need to come out of the SDA cult.

That my friend is a false gospel!

 

[Magenta]

You indeed teach another Gospel and another Jesus not from Gods' Word to follow the deeds of your father. As Studyman has already shown you through scripture. If you follow man-made traditions that break the commandments of God then you are indeed not following God.

Jesus worked on the Sabbath, but according to you, that is a sin Did Jesus sin?

PS: I already know the answer I just wonder how you square that with your beliefs.

 

[PS]

We have pretty much acknowledged there is a lot of false doctrines out there, I think you have agreed with this fact.

Another false preaching is the difference between the old and new covenants.

Jer. 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Where is the evidence that God's Laws that He writes on His Peoples heart, changed? Mainstream preaching will site Heb. 7.

Heb. 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

The Levitical Priesthood had two main functions.

#1. To administer God's Instructions. "for under it the people received the law".

#2. perform sacrificial "works" for the remission of sins as spelled out by God through Moses.


12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

When was the "Priesthood" changed? When Jesus became our High Priest, yes? But Jesus was from the tribe of Judah, only those from the tribe of Levi were designated for this "Priesthood".

So there also had to be a change in the "Priesthood Law".


13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

So God's Instructions didn't change according to the Scriptures, the "Priesthood" changed. So now it isn't the Levites or Pharisees to carry out the two primary purposes of this Priesthood, it is Jesus our High Priest.

#1. I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts;

No more going to the Scribes to hear God's Word, we all have God's Word in our homes and in our minds. He administers God's Instructions, not the Levite.

#2. "for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."

No more Levitical Priesthood "works of the Law" for remission of sins. Jesus does this with His own blood. No more going to find a Levite to perform "Deeds" or "Works" of the Levitical Priesthood for remission of sins.

Paul points this out several times.

Rom. 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.


It isn't the Levitical Priesthood that Jesus places in our minds, it is God's universal Laws that Abraham kept. He was justified "Apart" from this "law of works".

We are not judged by the Levitical Priesthood "works of the Law", but by the Law of Faith that Abraham kept. Paul explains this as well.

Rom. 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Not the "Law of Works" but the Law of Faith.

Many preachers, who come in Christ's Name, preach that there is no difference between the "Law of Works' and the "Law of Faith". That when Paul mentions "Works of the Law" he is talking about ALL of God's Instructions. This is another insidious lie that has been accepted by "many".

I take my hat off to you for the work and study you put in. Personally, I like to keep things simple and to be honest with you, rather than work my way through the legal minefield, and possibly either take a false turning, or get blown up, I would far rather go to the source of my faith and simply follow Jesus. He has it all.

 

[BibleGuy]

Hi BibleGuy,

BIG Welcome here and so nice to meet you.

God's Word teaches that;

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished to all good works (2 Tim 3:16-17).

and

Man does not live by bread alone but by EVERY WORD that proceeds out of the mouth of God (Deut 8:3; Matthew 4:4)

The Old Testament was the bible of Jesus and the Apostles. Everything in the NEW Testament scriptures come from the OLD Testament. Together the OLD Testament and the NEW Testament scriptures are THE WORD OF GOD and we are to live by EVERY WORD OF IT.

FAITH in GOD'S WORD gives us the VICTORY to OVERCOME the WORLD. Without it we can do nothing.

Many of the OLD Testament scriptures point forward to the Messaih and outline God's plan of salvation under the NEW Covenant. While many of the Old Covenant laws for remission of SIN were fulfilled in Christ much of the OLD Testament scriptures are built upon in the NEW Testament.

The OLD and NEW Testament scriptures are the two witnesses that agree and together they are the Gospel of Jesus Christ (our Savior from SIN).

May God bless you as you continue in His Words.

Hello LoveGodForever,

Thanks for your thoughtful reply.

I'm glad we agree with every statement you made in your reply to me.

I'm not sure what you mean, though, by: "...

many of the Old Covenant laws for remission of SIN were fulfilled in Christ​

".

That is, do you believe that the Levitical/priestly/sacrificial laws should not ever be observed again due to the fact that they have been "fulfilled in Christ" ?

Just curious to see where you stand on that point...

Thank you.

 

[Magenta]

... While many of the Old Covenant laws for remission of SIN were fulfilled in Christ much of the OLD Testament scriptures are built upon in the NEW Testament.

Many? Not all? Jesus said He came to fulfill the law and prophets. Did He miss some?

 

[BibleGuy]

Many? Not all? Jesus said He came to fulfill the law and prophets. Did He miss some?

Hi there!

Did Jesus say he fulfilled ALL the prophets in every possible sense?

I don't think so.

After all, there are many yet-unfulfilled prophecies (in the Prophets) which pertain to future activities of the Messiah.

So then, many prophecies in the Prophets are still NOT fully fulfilled in every sense.

Likewise with the law: There is prophecy in the Law which is not yet fulfilled (i.e., it has not yet happened).

So it's Biblically OK to say that elements of the law and prophets are NOT yet fully fulfilled in every sense.

Anyway....just thought I'd jump in there with this thought.

best...

 

[Studyman]

I take my hat off to you for the work and study you put in. Personally, I like to keep things simple and to be honest with you, rather than work my way through the legal minefield, and possibly either take a false turning, or get blown up, I would far rather go to the source of my faith and simply follow Jesus. He has it all.

Ya, I know what you mean. It's a lot simpler just to let someone else tell you what the Bible means instead of studying for ourselves.

You might be right, maybe it doesn't matter.

But Jesus sure did warn me to "Take Heed" that those who come in His Name, claiming that He is truly the Christ, don't deceive me. There are lots of talk in the old and new testaments about preachers teaching from their own mind and not from the Word of God and leading people astray.

Jer. 5:30 A wonderful and horrible thing is committed in the land;31 The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?

Matt. 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5
For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Matt. 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

How can I know the will of the Father if I don't study the Word He created for me?

2 Tim. 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

2 Cor. 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

Rev. 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Rev. 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Let's face it, most people don't really believe these sayings. I'm not sure how a person can follow Jesus and not give respect to all these and many more warnings and examples of people who think they are on the right path, but are on the broad one. What would I say to Him in "That Day"? I saw the warnings but didn't believe in them?

Is. 40:8 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.

1 Peter 40:25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

You might be right, maybe I take this whole "Word of God" thing to seriously. I guess time will tell.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Jesus worked on the Sabbath, but according to you, that is a sin Did Jesus sin?
PS: I already know the answer I just wonder how you square that with your beliefs.

Are you sure you know the answer Magenta. You say things in your post like your friends that I have never said or believe. Your interpretation of the scriptures seem mixed up. Do you know the answer? I do not know if you do or not.

Did Jesus sin? Of course he did not. If he did then he would not be our perfect sacrifice. The LAW requires death of the SINNER. If Jesus sinned then how can he die in our behalf for the death that we deserve? If he had sinned already then he is accountable for his own sin and no one elses.

Jesus was always doing his fathers work (Not secular or business work which would be breaking the 4th Commandment).

Jesus taught that it was lawful to do good on the Sabbath to heal and help others. The Jews through their traditions made Sabbath keeping a burden to the people in their interpretation on how to keep it.

Jesus came to teach that the Sabbath was made for man not man for the Sabbath and it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath exposing the traditions of th Jews in place of the Word of God.

This is the same today. God says Remember the Sabbath day to keep it Holy. The Roman Catholic Church say NO we will keep Sunday in it's place and all must bow down to follow our tradition.

The Mother church has brought up her daughters well (Rev 17:5). Today you follow Sunday worship a traditions of the Roman Catholic Church that breaks the Commandments of God. You are indeed Roman Catholic.

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In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

 

[LoveGodForever]

You Catholics are all the same. You create your own religion and condemn anyone who respects God's Words over your religious traditions.

That's OK though. God's Word doesn't return void. Some on here will see it.

Actually this is true as their traditions comes from the Catholic Church whose Jesus they follow.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Hello LoveGodForever,

Thanks for your thoughtful reply.

I'm glad we agree with every statement you made in your reply to me.

I'm not sure what you mean, though, by: "...

many of the Old Covenant laws for remission of SIN were fulfilled in Christ​

".

That is, do you believe that the Levitical/priestly/sacrificial laws should not ever be observed again due to the fact that they have been "fulfilled in Christ" ?

Just curious to see where you stand on that point...

Thank you.

Hi BibleGuy,

Yes always happy to share God's Word. Thank you also for sharing as well. What I mean't with the above is that no more animal sacrifices and sin offereing are required anymore as they all pointed to Jesus the true lamb of God that takes away the sins of the World (John 1:29).

We are also no longer to follow the earthly Levitical/priestly/sacrificial laws as these are continuing now on our behalf in the Heavenly Sanctuary not made with hands on our behalf under the NEW Covenant with Jesus as our great high priest (Hebrews Chapters 7-10). You are correct that there are many prophecies yet to be fulfilled in the Old Testament.

May God bless you as you continue in his Word.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Hi Loveforgod, Your statement above is a very interesting one. Of course we all on here already know what you are really saying - and that is if you do not observe the OT Sabbath you are not a Christian. You need to come out of the SDA cult. That my friend is a false gospel!

And here you go again trying to say things I am not saying. I guess you get pretty desparate when you have no scripture to share for following man made traditions that break the commandments of God.

KNOWN SIN will keep all who practice it out of God's KINGDOM come judgement day.

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In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

 

[LoveGodForever]

SDA's play the same game in salvation as every other false movement of Christendom. They profess to teach that salvation is by grace through faith, but then redefine this in a way that is contrary to the Gospel. Even though they deny this, they teach that salvation is by "grace plus law, faith plus works." Their doctrine of salvation is a subtle mixture of law and grace that is a perversion of the Gospel. (Galatians 1:6-9)

SDA's place a lot of emphasis on obeying the Ten Commandments, particularly the fourth commandment as the based for receiving eternal life. Their whole end-time eschatology is built upon a great, cosmic conflict that is being played out before the entire universe, and the battle lines have been drawn over the Sabbath Commandment. The conflict over the Sabbath is the final conflict between good and evil, and it is the separating wall that divides "loyal" Christians from "disloyal" Christians.

With all this emphasis being placed upon the law, it is no wonder that SDA's have a tendency to get bogged down in legalism.

Ellen G White has only added to the problem with some of her legalistic statements such as these below:
"...The terms of salvation for every son and daughter of Adam are here outlined. It is plainly stated that the condition of gaining eternal life is obedience to the commandments of God". "To obey the commandments of God is the only way to obtain His favor." "He [man] must be reconciled to God through obedience to His law."

Scripture teaches that obedience to the commandments/law has no part in earning God's favor or His reconciliation:

Romans 3:22 - even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, 26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. 27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.

Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. ..for if righteousness comes by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. (Galatians 2:16,21)

For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. (Ephesians 2:8,9)

There is a danger in any religious philosophy that depends in any degree on works to obtain or earn salvation.

Hello MMD,

These posts of yours are fale and twisted, with so many lies woven inbetween to try and make an argument that is not there it is simply amazing at what desparate lengths some people will go to to try and cover the fact they do not KNOW the GOSPEL of our Lord Jesus Christ.

How many times have you been told directly that we believe that we are ONLY SAVED BY GRACE through FAITH and not of OURSELVES it is a GIFT of GOD and not of WORKS lest any man should boast?

Yet you continue to peddle lies like some others here, that myself and others here, believe something different to what we have directly told you we believe.

Now you continue pushing lies claiming we believe something that we have already told you we do NOT believe. This is indeed between you and God and something you need to seek God's forgiveness for. This is sad for you. Bearing false witness against your neigbore will not be a help for you come judgement day and only go to show what fruit you are growing.

You indeed teach another Gospel and a different Jesus. This is testified to by your inability to respond to any of the posts and scriptures sent to help you that disagree with your interpretation of the scriptures.

Yet you some of your disciples here continue to peddle your lies to hide the fact that you do not have God's Word to support your traditions that break the commandments of God.

SIN will keep all who practice it OUT of God's KINGDOM.

Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it.

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In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

 

[BibleGuy]

Hi BibleGuy,

Yes always happy to share God's Word. Thank you also for sharing as well. What I mean't with the above is that no more animal sacrifices and sin offereing are required anymore as they all pointed to Jesus the true lamb of God that takes away the sins of the World (John 1:29).

We are also no longer to follow the earthly Levitical/priestly/sacrificial laws as these are continuing now on our behalf in the Heavenly Sanctuary not made with hands on our behalf under the NEW Covenant with Jesus as our great high priest (Hebrews Chapters 7-10). You are correct that there are many prophecies yet to be fulfilled in the Old Testament.

May God bless you as you continue in his Word.

Thank you for sharing your viewpoint.

May I share with you my own thoughts on this? I trust you don't mind (even though I suppose it's a bit of a diversion from the original topic of this thread...)

We could also chat with private messages instead, if you prefer?

Anyway, here's my viewpoint:


1. A. Dt. 30:1-8 is not yet fulfilled.
B. Dt. 30:1-8 guarantees the restoration of priestly/Levitical/sacrificial Torah-obedience.
C. Priestly/Levitical/sacrificial Torah-obedience will occur in the future.

2. A. Eze. 40-47 is not yet fulfilled.
B. Eze. 40-47 guarantees the restoration of priestly/Levitical/sacrificial activity.

C. Priestly/Levitical/sacrificial activity will occur in the future.​

3. A. Jer. 33:20-22 is not yet fulfilled.

B. Jer. 33:20-22 guarantees the restoration of priestly/Levitical/sacrificial Torah-obedience.
C. Priestly/Levitical/sacrificial Torah-obedience will occur in the future.

4. A. Zec. 14 guarantees future GLOBAL participation in the sacrifice-laden feast of Sukkot (with punishment upon the nations who do not participate).
B. Therefore, global participation in sacrifice-laden feasts will occur in the future, and it will be required, and it will be good to obey, and it will be bad to disobey.

5. A. Mal. 3:1-4 guarantees that the Messiah will RESTORE the covenant with Levi, complete with sacrifices to be offered again in the future.
B. We should not oppose what the Messiah will come to restore in the forthcoming kingdom rule.

6. A. Is. 66 guarantees future restoration of Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activities associated with new moon and Sabbath observance.
B. We should not oppose what Isaiah guarantees will occur in the future.

7.A. The Old Covenant is READY (Gr. "engoos", Heb. 8:13) to disappear.
B. That which is ready to disappear has NOT yet disappeared (from the meaning of "engoos").
C. The Old Covenant was still in force (as of the New-Covenant-era time of the writing of Hebrews) (from B).
D. The inauguration of the New Covenant does NOT entail termination of the Old Covenant (from C).
E. Old Covenant Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activities are good and proper to persist into the New Covenant era (from D).

8. A. Many New-Covenant-era priests were disciples of the Messiah (Ac. 6:7).
B. Priests perform sacrificial/priestly/Levitical duties.
C. Priestly sacrificial/Levitical duties are acceptable in the New-Covenant-era.

9. A. Thousands of first-century disciples were zealous for Torah (Ac. 21:20).
B. Torah-obedience requires sacrificial/priestly/Levitical duties (when performed properly).
C. Thousands of first-century disciples were zealous for Torah-obedient sacrificial/priestly/Levitical activity.
D. These disciples encouraged Paul (and Paul agreed!) to condone a vow (evidently the sacrifice-laden Nazirite vow) for the purpose of publicly affirming that Paul likewise walked orderly according to the Torah.
E. Sacrifices are, thus, affirmed as a valid ongoing New-Covenant-era practice.

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10. A. Sabbath Torah is (present tense!) a shadow of the substance in Christ (Col. 2:16-17).
B. Col. 2 was written after the inauguration of the New-Covenant era.
C. Col. 2 is, thus, evidence that Sabbath Torah (which, of course, includes associated sacrificial activity when properly performed) is an ONGOING FUNCTIONING SHADOW which CONTINUES to point to the substance in Christ.

11. A. Christians are included as fellow Israelites who partake in the Torah-laden covenants between YHVH and Israel (Eph. 2).
B. The covenants (Abrahamic, Mosaic, Davidic, and New) are all still in force, and we Christians partake in these covenants (plural! Eph. 2:12).
C. The covenants entail Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activity when properly performed.
D. Thus, we Christians should condone the proper restoration and participation in the Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activities associated with the Torah-laden covenants in which they participate.


CONCLUSION: We appear to have pretty good evidence which confirms that Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activity is good and proper and forthcoming.

Yes, sin offerings point to the Lamb of God (Jesus) who is the ultimate sin-offering on our behalf. But this is no excuse to terminate the ONGOING SHADOW FUNCTION authorized by Scripture, affirmed by Scripture, and guaranteed (in Scripture) to properly occur in the future, just as it also properly occurred even AFTER the inauguration of the New Covenant in the first century.

Anyways...just wanted to urge you to reconsider your viewpoint, because it appears to be at odds with the Scriptural considerations I've now set forth.

ok...blessings to you.

 

[Endoscopy]

Hi there!

Did Jesus say he fulfilled ALL the prophets in every possible sense?

I don't think so.

After all, there are many yet-unfulfilled prophecies (in the Prophets) which pertain to future activities of the Messiah.

So then, many prophecies in the Prophets are still NOT fully fulfilled in every sense.

Likewise with the law: There is prophecy in the Law which is not yet fulfilled (i.e., it has not yet happened).

So it's Biblically OK to say that elements of the law and prophets are NOT yet fully fulfilled in every sense.

Anyway....just thought I'd jump in there with this thought.

best...

Here is the quote. MethinksMyou are being disgusting

Matthew 5:17 to 20 NIV


The Fulfillment of the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

 

[mailmandan]

Hi Loveforgod,

Your statement above is a very interesting one. Of course we all on here already know what you are really saying - and that is if you do not observe the OT Sabbath you are not a Christian. You need to come out of the SDA cult.

That my friend is a false gospel!

Amen brother! False gospel indeed! We are not fooled by SDA propaganda which claims that SDA’s do not trust in the law for salvation or teach salvation by “grace plus law, faith plus works” then accuse believers of bearing false witness against them when we call them out on it. Here is an example below:

Originally Posted by LoveGodForever

None of what you have said above is true at all. Funny here is me all this time thinking you are teaching another Gospel.

What is the other Gospel?

It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's Law (10 commandments) from the Cross. The counterfeit Gospel is out there. It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's 10 commandments from the plan of salvation.

God’s Law has always been part of the true Gospel of Christ. The counterfeit Gospel does not have it. God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ.

Guilty as charged! Like I said before. Subtle mixture of law and grace which is a perversion of the Gospel (Galatians 1:6-9).

 

[Magenta]

Are you sure you know the answer Magenta. You say things in your post like your friends that I have never said or believe. Your interpretation of the scriptures seem mixed up. Do you know the answer? I do not know if you do or not.

Could you give an example of how I have misrepresented your position? I doubt that you can, because you have just told a bald faced lie. You have claimed again and again that you do not judge people while you judge others all the time. You used to say STUPID things like worshiping on Sunday is breaking a commandment of God. Perhaps you should thank me for calling your ridiculous assertions to your attention instead of lying to me about it Bearing false witness is a sin, you know. God hates your lying lips.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Amen brother! False gospel indeed! We are not fooled by SDA propaganda which claims that SDA’s do not trust in the law for salvation or teach salvation by “grace plus law, faith plus works” then accuse believers of bearing false witness against them when we call them out on it. Here is an example below:

Originally Posted by LoveGodForever

None of what you have said above is true at all. Funny here is me all this time thinking you are teaching another Gospel.

What is the other Gospel?

It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's Law (10 commandments) from the Cross. The counterfeit Gospel is out there. It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's 10 commandments from the plan of salvation.

God’s Law has always been part of the true Gospel of Christ. The counterfeit Gospel does not have it. God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ.

Guilty as charged! Like I said before. Subtle mixture of law and grace which is a perversion of the Gospel (Galatians 1:6-9).

Now MMD, this only confirms you do not KNOW the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ and is sad for you....

Please if you disagree with the statement you have pulled out of context from a much larger post of mine can you explain the following.....

How can you have GRACE if you do not have God's LAW (10 Commandments)?

What is the purpose of God's LAW (10 Commandments)

We are told the SIN is breaking God's Commandments and that it is through God's LAW (10 Commandments) that we have a KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS (1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7; James 2:11; Romans 3:20; Ps 119:172).

Now if there is no longer any LAW then how do you know what SIN is?

If you do not KNOW what SIN is how do you KNOW your NEED of a Saviour?

If you have NO NEED of a Savior because you do NOT KNOW what SIN is how can you have SALVATION?

If there is NO LAW then nothing matters because in your view everyone is FREE to SIN.

Yet God's Word does not teach anything like this whatsoever. You indeed teach another Gospel and another Jesus.

SIN will keep all who practice it OUT of God's KINGDOM. Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it.

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In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Could you give an example of how I have misrepresented your position?

Yep here you go...

Originally Posted by Magenta

Jesus worked on the Sabbath, but according to you, that is a sin

Nope no bold face lie here. I have never said or believed that Jesus broke God's Sabbath as explained to you in the previous post. You were implying in your post I believe something that I do not.

Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it.

All those who KNOWINGLY practicing the Catholic traditions that break the commandments of God will NOT Enter into God's KINGDOM.

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In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

 

[Endoscopy]

Amen brother! False gospel indeed! We are not fooled by SDA propaganda which claims that SDA’s do not trust in the law for salvation or teach salvation by “grace plus law, faith plus works” then accuse believers of bearing false witness against them when we call them out on it. Here is an example below:
Guilty as charged! Like I said before. Subtle mixture of law and grace which is a perversion of the Gospel (Galatians 1:6-9).

Too many people don't understand the complete gospel message.

Jesus said the law was eternal.
Sin is transgression of the law.
Jesus sacrificed Himself so any accepting Him as savior has their sins forgiven.

Without the law there is no sin. There are 613 rules in the law as written in the Torah. No one has the ability to keep all of them.

 

[Magenta]

Yep here you go...

Nope no bold face lie here. I have never said or believed that Jesus broke God's Sabbath as explained to you in the previous post. You were implying in your post I believe something that I do not.

I did not say you said Jesus sinned, I asked you straight up (no implication) if you thought He did since YOU say working on the Sabbath is a sin, and Jesus worked on the Sabbath. Are you hard of comprehending? Do you have any other non-existent examples?