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How is Jesus Christ the 2nd Man? (1 Cor. 15:47)

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Are you certain He is not the Second Adam?
 

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Are you certain He is not the Second Adam?
Christ is BOTH the "second man" and "the last Adam".

Adam and Christ are contrasted in this passage (vv 45-49).
 

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How is Jesus Christ the 2nd Man? (1 Cor. 15:47)
The first Adam brought sin and death upon the human race. The last Adam brought righteousness, eternal life, and immortality to those who believe. For more details see Romans 5.
 

JaumeJ

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Christ is BOTH the "second man" and "the last Adam".

Adam and Christ are contrasted in this passage (vv 45-49).

Several times in the Wor, Jesus refers to Himself as the son of Adam which is frequently completely translated in His declaring Himself the Son of man. Adam may be said to mean man.

This is not confusing unless it is made so.
 

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Are you certain He is not the Second Adam?
Yes, I am certain. Jesus is the Last Adam. Never the Second Adam. He is the Second Man. So, I guess the question could be enlarged to "how is Jesus the Last Adam and the Second Man"? (1 Cor. 15:45-47)

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The first Adam brought sin and death upon the human race. The last Adam brought righteousness, eternal life, and immortality to those who believe. For more details see Romans 5.
I agree that is what Christ has accomplished. But why is He called the Last Adam and the Second Man?

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How is Jesus Christ the 2nd Man? (1 Cor. 15:47)

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The first man Adam was born of flesh, the second man Christ was born from above.

An analogy would be our bodies are the first man while our born again man is the second man born from above.
 

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I agree that is what Christ has accomplished. But why is He called the Last Adam and the Second Man?
HEBREWS 2
6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him?
7 Thou madest him
[Adam] a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him [Adam] with glory and honour, and didst set him [Adam] over the works of thy hands:
8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.


ROMANS 5
12 Wherefore, as by one man [Adam] sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from
Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one
[Adam] many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16 And not as it was by one
[Adam] that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
17 For if by one man's
[Adam's] offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore as by the offence of one
[Adam] judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one [Christ] the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19 For as by one man's
[Adam's] disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one [Christ] shall many be made righteous.
20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
 

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The first man Adam was born of flesh, the second man Christ was born from above.

An analogy would be our bodies are the first man while our born again man is the second man born from above.
Yes. I see Adam as the first man. That is plain. But Jesus was not the second man. Cain was. Then Able, etc., etc., etc. Making Jesus some astronomical number in the line of Adam.

But we are told plainly, He was the Second Man. Even though Jesus was born from above, He was born a man in the human race.

The first man Adam was created flesh, and Jesus was born of the flesh, but we are told that Jesus is the Last Adam. He certainly wasn't the last man. But neither was He the second man, as far as the natural genealogy goes.

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From what I have learned about the name alef daleth mem sofit, it means red dust or red dirt.

Edom, who was quite ruddy is named from the evolving of Adam.

Adam also may be used as man or mankind.

The color red, from Adam is dam. Bright red is dam dam. Blood also is dam.

All of ths and more come from the name Adam or the wor4d.

Jesus said He was thee son of Adam only to stress tht He had become flesh.

This makes Him not only our Maker but qualified by experience to judge all mankind all .

Whether there is some docdtrine saying He is the first or the second or the last, I do not know but I do know all the above.

He was the Son of Man, and He is the Son of Elohanu, our God.
 

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Yes. I see Adam as the first man. That is plain. But Jesus was not the second man. Cain was. Then Able, etc., etc., etc. Making Jesus some astronomical number in the line of Adam.

But we are told plainly, He was the Second Man. Even though Jesus was born from above, He was born a man in the human race.

The first man Adam was created flesh, and Jesus was born of the flesh, but we are told that Jesus is the Last Adam. He certainly wasn't the last man. But neither was He the second man, as far as the natural genealogy goes.

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In the Bible there are only two types of men, one is the flesh which Adam personifies.

The second type of man or second man is the man born from above which Christ personifies.

Christ being called the second man is not in reference to his physical body or birth.
 

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How is Jesus Christ the 2nd Man? (1 Cor. 15:47)

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Both Jesus and Adam where born without sin... Adam gained the sin nature when he aquiored the knowledge of good ande evil when satan tempted .. Jesus resisted the temptation of satan and obtained Atonement for the sins of the world..
 

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Neither were born of fornication……..they were both created.

We are all pro-created….….but we also are created when reborn..
 

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In the Bible there are only two types of men, one is the flesh which Adam personifies.

The second type of man or second man is the man born from above which Christ personifies.

Christ being called the second man is not in reference to his physical body or birth.
It is a question that has always interested me. I need to give my view in order to respond to yours. I believe we are in agreement.

Jesus is the 'Last Adam' in that He is the last representative of the human race. There will never be another representative. Adam was the first representative and Jesus is the Last representative or 'Last Adam'. This is why it would be incorrect to call Jesus the 'Second Adam'. It implies there will be more.

Jesus is the 'Second Man' because God is showing us He counts only the redeemed. And all the redeemed are counted 'in Christ'. Jesus is the 'Second Man' because there are others to follow.

First Adam---first representative---represents all 'in Adam'

First man---first man of all in Adam.

Last Adam---last representative---represents all 'in Christ'.

Second Man---of all 'in Christ'.

I still have some questions but it is where I am now.

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Yes. I see Adam as the first man. That is plain. But Jesus was not the second man. Cain was. Then Able, etc., etc., etc. Making Jesus some astronomical number in the line of Adam.

But we are told plainly, He was the Second Man. Even though Jesus was born from above, He was born a man in the human race.

The first man Adam was created flesh, and Jesus was born of the flesh, but we are told that Jesus is the Last Adam. He certainly wasn't the last man. But neither was He the second man, as far as the natural genealogy goes.

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I would say it like this
We are the body of christ. Christ represents us as a unit.
In the same way adam represents the his people the same way in a unit so no cain was not the second man cause he was part of the first man, Adam just as we are part of jesus.
So from adam to jesus everyone was represented by the 1st man, Adam including Jesus thats why he is called son of man but when he was crucified he became a new man apart from adam and those that are born again stop being in unity with adam and are now in unity with Christ the second man. Thats how he is the last adam and The second man
 

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It is a question that has always interested me. I need to give my view in order to respond to yours. I believe we are in agreement.

Jesus is the 'Last Adam' in that He is the last representative of the human race. There will never be another representative. Adam was the first representative and Jesus is the Last representative or 'Last Adam'. This is why it would be incorrect to call Jesus the 'Second Adam'. It implies there will be more.

Jesus is the 'Second Man' because God is showing us He counts only the redeemed. And all the redeemed are counted 'in Christ'. Jesus is the 'Second Man' because there are others to follow.

First Adam---first representative---represents all 'in Adam'

First man---first man of all in Adam.

Last Adam---last representative---represents all 'in Christ'.

Second Man---of all 'in Christ'.

I still have some questions but it is where I am now.

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That's pretty good I like that.
 

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It is a question that has always interested me. I need to give my view in order to respond to yours. I believe we are in agreement.

Jesus is the 'Last Adam' in that He is the last representative of the human race. There will never be another representative. Adam was the first representative and Jesus is the Last representative or 'Last Adam'. This is why it would be incorrect to call Jesus the 'Second Adam'. It implies there will be more.

Jesus is the 'Second Man' because God is showing us He counts only the redeemed. And all the redeemed are counted 'in Christ'. Jesus is the 'Second Man' because there are others to follow.

First Adam---first representative---represents all 'in Adam'

First man---first man of all in Adam.

Last Adam---last representative---represents all 'in Christ'.

Second Man---of all 'in Christ'.

I still have some questions but it is where I am now.

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There is no inherent implication in "second". It does force the conclusion that there is a "first", but doesn't force the existence of any "third" or subsequent.
 

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I'm still trying to figure out the "Fifth Element".
 

Quantrill

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If there is a first, and then a second, the possibility is left for a third.

If there is a last, then there is no more...correct.? But if there is a second, there are others...correct?

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