3 gifts Superceded By THREE Gifts

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Feb 22, 2021
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#1
Precious friend(s), surely, we All {In Fellowship With our LORD JESUS}, do
know And Understand And agree (1 Corinthians 1 : 9-10 KJB!),
on This Important Verse Of God!, Correct?:

"And Now Abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but
The Greatest of these is Charity!" (1_Corinthians_13 : 13 KJB!)


But, how about This trio of gifts - Are they for us today?:

Modern Day prophet(ess)? Speaking in tongues? Word of knowledge?

There is, I believe, a Very Simple Solution, found In The
Perfect {Which "Has come," And
we have}, Pure And
Preserved Word of God, The Bible,
Prayerfully and Carefully studied:

...Though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all
mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that
I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing…”


Does God Still Have these in effect Today?

What Saith The Pure, Preserved, Precious And Perfect Scriptures?

...Charity suffereth long...(+14 others!)...Charity never faileth...

...BUT Whether there be PROPHECIES, they SHALL FAIL;
whether there be TONGUES, they SHALL CEASE; whether there
be KNOWLEDGE, it shall VANISH AWAY. For we know in part, and
we PROPHESY IN PART.”


The prophecies SHALL FAIL? Who believes that? Surely not
the prophecy experts, correct? Or, one could ask, when?

(A) At the Coming End Of Time {Perfect New Heavens and New Earth?},
when there are No more prophecies to be fulfilled? Or:

(B) At The Second Coming of CHRIST, Who Is “Perfect,”
But, with still More Remaining prophecies To Be Fulfilled?
Then, we wonder, what Exactly does this mean?

But when That Which Is Perfect Is Come, then
that which is In Part SHALL BE DONE AWAY.”
(1_Corinthians_13:1-10 KJB!)


Since (A) And (B) above do not make sense about "prophecies,"
may we then suggest for your Careful/Prayerful Consideration?:

(C) Has not "That Which IS PERFECT" Already COME?

IF so, Then “that which is in part” = the “gift of tongues” has Ceased,
the gift of “the word of knowledge” has Vanished, And the “gift of
prophecy
” has Failed! IF so, then we kindly ask:

(1) Does this not explain Why missionaries Have To Study/Learn
"foreign" languages,
Before departing to the country God Called
them to serve? Because, the “gift of tongues” has Ceased?

(2) Where does This Truth leave Ellen White and Seventh Day Adventism?
And, ALL Other so-called “prophets/prophetesses”?
Because, the “gift of prophecy” has Failed?

(3) What about All The watchmen prophecies and failing "dreams and
visions Date-Setters" of The Great GRACE Departure { aka rapture }?...
Because “the word of knowledge” has Vanished? Not apologizing for So
Many questions, just trying my best To Get To God's Word Of Truth, for me,
And ALL of the pending Confusion would Be ENDED, Right?:

...Need Bible Confirmation, correct?:

"Whereof I am made a minister, according to The Dispensation
of God Which is given to me for you, to fulfil [ Complete! Or Fill Up!! ]
The Word of God (Perfect?)"
(Colossians_1 : 25 cp Psalms 12 : 6-7; 138 : 2 KJB!)


If “That ( neuter gender ) Which is Perfect" is Not The
Perfect CHRIST
( Masculine Gender ), Then Is This not The
Only Other Choice?:

The Pure And Perfect Written Word Of God,
HIS Precious And Holy Scriptures?


Further Biblical Confirmation!:

"The Words Of The LORD Are Pure Words: As silver tried in a
furnace of earth, Purified Seven Times! THOU Shalt Keep Them,
O LORD, THOU Shalt
Preserve Them from this generation For Ever!"
( Psalms_12 : 6-7 KJB! )


"I will worship toward THY holy temple, and praise THY Name for
THY Lovingkindness and for THY Truth: for THOU Hast
Magnified
Thy WORD Above All THY {Perfect?} Name!" (Psalms_138 : 2 KJB!)

Therefore, HIS Word Is The Absolute Final Authority! And
God Warns!: All "who think Above, or, Exceed or Add to IT!":

"And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to
myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us


NOT TO THINK ABOVE THAT WHICH IS WRITTEN,

that no one of you be puffed up for one against another."
(1_Corinthians_4 : 6 KJB!)
{
Sad that Many "self-proclaimed" [whatevers] do this Very Thing, Correct?}

...Finally, IF TRUTH!:

(4) WHY would any child Of God today, "settle for Less { that which
is in Part! }," When they Could Have ALL Of What God Has For them?:

"Who also declared unto us your LOVE In The Spirit. For this cause
we also, since the day we heard it , do not cease to pray for you,
and to desire that ye Might Be Filled With The Knowledge Of HIS
Will In All Wisdom And Spiritual Understanding!" (Colossians_1 : 8-9!)


"That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together In
LOVE, and Unto All Riches Of The Full Assurance Of Understanding,
to the acknowledgement Of
The Mystery of God, And Of The Father,
And Of CHRIST!" (Colossians_2 : 2!)


Because God Has Done Away With That "which was In Part!" Amen?

Thus, the humble Confusion Clearing Conclusion of this study, is that:

The trio of Expired gifts of "prophecy, word of knowledge, And
speaking in tongues," Have Been Superseded Today, By God,
With The
Remaining, And NOW Abiding THREE Gifts Of:

"faith, hope, And love In Grace, Pure GRACE!"
And, The GREATEST Of These Is LOVE!!
+
All the law Is FULFILLED In ONE WORD: LOVE thy neighbor!”
(Galatians 5 : 14; Romans 13 : 8-10 KJB!)
Amen?
-------------------------------------------
Blessed Be The Name of The LORD, And HIS Perfect, Pure, And
"Exalted Above All His Name," WORD For Ever And Ever!! Amen?

Please be Richly Encouraged, enlightened, exhorted, and edified!
God's Simple Will!
 
Jul 20, 2021
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#2
I guess I would have to ask about the gifts because they were given after Christ's Death on the Cross. So why mention them in the first place? I got to a certain point and shook my head. 1 Corinthians 12 show differently, IMHO. I always understood 1 Corinthians 13 to say, and I am paraphrasing in my words, that we will not understand completely until we meet him face to face. Until that day our Hope is in GOD, our Faith is in Jesus, and we should love others as GOD has loved us.

I left the Southern Baptist Church for the same thing years ago. Interesting thought...
 

wattie

Senior Member
Feb 24, 2009
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351
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#3
Precious friend(s), surely, we All {In Fellowship With our LORD JESUS}, do
know And Understand And agree (1 Corinthians 1 : 9-10 KJB!),
on This Important Verse Of God!, Correct?:

"And Now Abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but
The Greatest of these is Charity!" (1_Corinthians_13 : 13 KJB!)


But, how about This trio of gifts - Are they for us today?:

Modern Day prophet(ess)? Speaking in tongues? Word of knowledge?

There is, I believe, a Very Simple Solution, found In The
Perfect {Which "Has come," And
we have}, Pure And
Preserved Word of God, The Bible,
Prayerfully and Carefully studied:

...Though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all
mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that
I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing…”


Does God Still Have these in effect Today?

What Saith The Pure, Preserved, Precious And Perfect Scriptures?

...Charity suffereth long...(+14 others!)...Charity never faileth...

...BUT Whether there be PROPHECIES, they SHALL FAIL;
whether there be TONGUES, they SHALL CEASE; whether there
be KNOWLEDGE, it shall VANISH AWAY. For we know in part, and
we PROPHESY IN PART.”


The prophecies SHALL FAIL? Who believes that? Surely not
the prophecy experts, correct? Or, one could ask, when?

(A) At the Coming End Of Time {Perfect New Heavens and New Earth?},
when there are No more prophecies to be fulfilled? Or:

(B) At The Second Coming of CHRIST, Who Is “Perfect,”
But, with still More Remaining prophecies To Be Fulfilled?
Then, we wonder, what Exactly does this mean?

But when That Which Is Perfect Is Come, then
that which is In Part SHALL BE DONE AWAY.”
(1_Corinthians_13:1-10 KJB!)


Since (A) And (B) above do not make sense about "prophecies,"
may we then suggest for your Careful/Prayerful Consideration?:

(C) Has not "That Which IS PERFECT" Already COME?

IF so, Then “that which is in part” = the “gift of tongues” has Ceased,
the gift of “the word of knowledge” has Vanished, And the “gift of
prophecy
” has Failed! IF so, then we kindly ask:

(1) Does this not explain Why missionaries Have To Study/Learn
"foreign" languages,
Before departing to the country God Called
them to serve? Because, the “gift of tongues” has Ceased?

(2) Where does This Truth leave Ellen White and Seventh Day Adventism?
And, ALL Other so-called “prophets/prophetesses”?
Because, the “gift of prophecy” has Failed?

(3) What about All The watchmen prophecies and failing "dreams and
visions Date-Setters" of The Great GRACE Departure { aka rapture }?...
Because “the word of knowledge” has Vanished? Not apologizing for So
Many questions, just trying my best To Get To God's Word Of Truth, for me,
And ALL of the pending Confusion would Be ENDED, Right?:

...Need Bible Confirmation, correct?:

"Whereof I am made a minister, according to The Dispensation
of God Which is given to me for you, to fulfil [ Complete! Or Fill Up!! ]
The Word of God (Perfect?)"
(Colossians_1 : 25 cp Psalms 12 : 6-7; 138 : 2 KJB!)


If “That ( neuter gender ) Which is Perfect" is Not The
Perfect CHRIST
( Masculine Gender ), Then Is This not The
Only Other Choice?:

The Pure And Perfect Written Word Of God,
HIS Precious And Holy Scriptures?


Further Biblical Confirmation!:

"The Words Of The LORD Are Pure Words: As silver tried in a
furnace of earth, Purified Seven Times! THOU Shalt Keep Them,
O LORD, THOU Shalt
Preserve Them from this generation For Ever!"
( Psalms_12 : 6-7 KJB! )


"I will worship toward THY holy temple, and praise THY Name for
THY Lovingkindness and for THY Truth: for THOU Hast
Magnified
Thy WORD Above All THY {Perfect?} Name!" (Psalms_138 : 2 KJB!)

Therefore, HIS Word Is The Absolute Final Authority! And
God Warns!: All "who think Above, or, Exceed or Add to IT!":

"And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to
myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us


NOT TO THINK ABOVE THAT WHICH IS WRITTEN,

that no one of you be puffed up for one against another."
(1_Corinthians_4 : 6 KJB!)
{
Sad that Many "self-proclaimed" [whatevers] do this Very Thing, Correct?}

...Finally, IF TRUTH!:

(4) WHY would any child Of God today, "settle for Less { that which
is in Part! }," When they Could Have ALL Of What God Has For them?:

"Who also declared unto us your LOVE In The Spirit. For this cause
we also, since the day we heard it , do not cease to pray for you,
and to desire that ye Might Be Filled With The Knowledge Of HIS
Will In All Wisdom And Spiritual Understanding!" (Colossians_1 : 8-9!)


"That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together In
LOVE, and Unto All Riches Of The Full Assurance Of Understanding,
to the acknowledgement Of
The Mystery of God, And Of The Father,
And Of CHRIST!" (Colossians_2 : 2!)


Because God Has Done Away With That "which was In Part!" Amen?

Thus, the humble Confusion Clearing Conclusion of this study, is that:

The trio of Expired gifts of "prophecy, word of knowledge, And
speaking in tongues," Have Been Superseded Today, By God,
With The
Remaining, And NOW Abiding THREE Gifts Of:

"faith, hope, And love In Grace, Pure GRACE!"
And, The GREATEST Of These Is LOVE!!
+
All the law Is FULFILLED In ONE WORD: LOVE thy neighbor!”
(Galatians 5 : 14; Romans 13 : 8-10 KJB!)
Amen?
-------------------------------------------
Blessed Be The Name of The LORD, And HIS Perfect, Pure, And
"Exalted Above All His Name," WORD For Ever And Ever!! Amen?

Please be Richly Encouraged, enlightened, exhorted, and edified!
God's Simple Will!
I'm in agreement with you here. The context of 1 Cor 13 has the gift of tongues, knowledge and prophecy as God revealing His Word.

These gifts are what was in part. Whatever completes these is what 'that which is perfect' is.

The Second Coming..isn't really about these 3 sign gifts.

Of course they would be no longer needed at the 2nd coming.. but this scripture points to something completing, maturing the gifts.. in the revelation of God BEFORE the 2nd coming.

Anyways, I'm in agreement with you here. 😃
 
Nov 10, 2021
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#4
Precious friend(s), surely, we All {In Fellowship With our LORD JESUS}, do
know And Understand And agree (1 Corinthians 1 : 9-10 KJB!),
on This Important Verse Of God!, Correct?:

"And Now Abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but
The Greatest of these is Charity!" (1_Corinthians_13 : 13 KJB!)


But, how about This trio of gifts - Are they for us today?:

Modern Day prophet(ess)? Speaking in tongues? Word of knowledge?

There is, I believe, a Very Simple Solution, found In The
Perfect {Which "Has come," And
we have}, Pure And
Preserved Word of God, The Bible,
Prayerfully and Carefully studied:

...Though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all
mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that
I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing…”


Does God Still Have these in effect Today?

What Saith The Pure, Preserved, Precious And Perfect Scriptures?

...Charity suffereth long...(+14 others!)...Charity never faileth...

...BUT Whether there be PROPHECIES, they SHALL FAIL;
whether there be TONGUES, they SHALL CEASE; whether there
be KNOWLEDGE, it shall VANISH AWAY. For we know in part, and
we PROPHESY IN PART.”


The prophecies SHALL FAIL? Who believes that? Surely not
the prophecy experts, correct? Or, one could ask, when?

(A) At the Coming End Of Time {Perfect New Heavens and New Earth?},
when there are No more prophecies to be fulfilled? Or:

(B) At The Second Coming of CHRIST, Who Is “Perfect,”
But, with still More Remaining prophecies To Be Fulfilled?
Then, we wonder, what Exactly does this mean?

But when That Which Is Perfect Is Come, then
that which is In Part SHALL BE DONE AWAY.”
(1_Corinthians_13:1-10 KJB!)


Since (A) And (B) above do not make sense about "prophecies,"
may we then suggest for your Careful/Prayerful Consideration?:

(C) Has not "That Which IS PERFECT" Already COME?

IF so, Then “that which is in part” = the “gift of tongues” has Ceased,
the gift of “the word of knowledge” has Vanished, And the “gift of
prophecy
” has Failed! IF so, then we kindly ask:

(1) Does this not explain Why missionaries Have To Study/Learn
"foreign" languages,
Before departing to the country God Called
them to serve? Because, the “gift of tongues” has Ceased?

(2) Where does This Truth leave Ellen White and Seventh Day Adventism?
And, ALL Other so-called “prophets/prophetesses”?
Because, the “gift of prophecy” has Failed?

(3) What about All The watchmen prophecies and failing "dreams and
visions Date-Setters" of The Great GRACE Departure { aka rapture }?...
Because “the word of knowledge” has Vanished? Not apologizing for So
Many questions, just trying my best To Get To God's Word Of Truth, for me,
And ALL of the pending Confusion would Be ENDED, Right?:

...Need Bible Confirmation, correct?:

"Whereof I am made a minister, according to The Dispensation
of God Which is given to me for you, to fulfil [ Complete! Or Fill Up!! ]
The Word of God (Perfect?)"
(Colossians_1 : 25 cp Psalms 12 : 6-7; 138 : 2 KJB!)


If “That ( neuter gender ) Which is Perfect" is Not The
Perfect CHRIST
( Masculine Gender ), Then Is This not The
Only Other Choice?:

The Pure And Perfect Written Word Of God,
HIS Precious And Holy Scriptures?


Further Biblical Confirmation!:

"The Words Of The LORD Are Pure Words: As silver tried in a
furnace of earth, Purified Seven Times! THOU Shalt Keep Them,
O LORD, THOU Shalt
Preserve Them from this generation For Ever!"
( Psalms_12 : 6-7 KJB! )


"I will worship toward THY holy temple, and praise THY Name for
THY Lovingkindness and for THY Truth: for THOU Hast
Magnified
Thy WORD Above All THY {Perfect?} Name!" (Psalms_138 : 2 KJB!)

Therefore, HIS Word Is The Absolute Final Authority! And
God Warns!: All "who think Above, or, Exceed or Add to IT!":

"And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to
myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us


NOT TO THINK ABOVE THAT WHICH IS WRITTEN,

that no one of you be puffed up for one against another."
(1_Corinthians_4 : 6 KJB!)
{
Sad that Many "self-proclaimed" [whatevers] do this Very Thing, Correct?}

...Finally, IF TRUTH!:

(4) WHY would any child Of God today, "settle for Less { that which
is in Part! }," When they Could Have ALL Of What God Has For them?:

"Who also declared unto us your LOVE In The Spirit. For this cause
we also, since the day we heard it , do not cease to pray for you,
and to desire that ye Might Be Filled With The Knowledge Of HIS
Will In All Wisdom And Spiritual Understanding!" (Colossians_1 : 8-9!)


"That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together In
LOVE, and Unto All Riches Of The Full Assurance Of Understanding,
to the acknowledgement Of
The Mystery of God, And Of The Father,
And Of CHRIST!" (Colossians_2 : 2!)


Because God Has Done Away With That "which was In Part!" Amen?

Thus, the humble Confusion Clearing Conclusion of this study, is that:

The trio of Expired gifts of "prophecy, word of knowledge, And
speaking in tongues," Have Been Superseded Today, By God,
With The
Remaining, And NOW Abiding THREE Gifts Of:

"faith, hope, And love In Grace, Pure GRACE!"
And, The GREATEST Of These Is LOVE!!
+
All the law Is FULFILLED In ONE WORD: LOVE thy neighbor!”
(Galatians 5 : 14; Romans 13 : 8-10 KJB!)
Amen?
-------------------------------------------
Blessed Be The Name of The LORD, And HIS Perfect, Pure, And
"Exalted Above All His Name," WORD For Ever And Ever!! Amen?

Please be Richly Encouraged, enlightened, exhorted, and edified!
God's Simple Will!
Too bad.
you miss out in a lot that God has in store for you.
 

DavidTree

Well-known member
Aug 2, 2021
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#7
I guess I would have to ask about the gifts because they were given after Christ's Death on the Cross. So why mention them in the first place? I got to a certain point and shook my head. 1 Corinthians 12 show differently, IMHO. I always understood 1 Corinthians 13 to say, and I am paraphrasing in my words, that we will not understand completely until we meet him face to face. Until that day our Hope is in GOD, our Faith is in Jesus, and we should love others as GOD has loved us.

I left the Southern Baptist Church for the same thing years ago. Interesting thought...
Dear Friend - You have understood the Word of God correctly - never doubt what is written by the Holy Spirit.

The Apostle Paul made it CLEAR - the Gifts will only cease when we are Face to Face with the LORD Himself.

CHRIST alone is the PERFECT to COME - HE completes us, at His Coming = Face to Face

Beloved, we are God’s children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared;
but we know that when He appears we shall be like Him, because we shall see him as He is.

1 John 3:2

Furthermore, the Gifts of the Holy Spirit are BRIDE Gifts for His Bride which we are.

God firmly established these Gifts for His Bride in Genesis and Christ paid in full with His Precious Blood for us to have them.

satan hates them and he always seeks to speak against them and cast doubt in our hearts - reject the liars doubt

Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change. James 1:17

God called His Gifts GOOD - who is any mere man to say otherwise, that person is ignorant of Scripture

Stay with the GOOD God has for you and reject the doubters


PEACE
 

Runningman

Well-known member
Mar 4, 2020
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#8
Precious friend(s), surely, we All {In Fellowship With our LORD JESUS}, do
know And Understand And agree (1 Corinthians 1 : 9-10 KJB!),
on This Important Verse Of God!, Correct?:

"And Now Abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but
The Greatest of these is Charity!" (1_Corinthians_13 : 13 KJB!)


But, how about This trio of gifts - Are they for us today?:

Modern Day prophet(ess)? Speaking in tongues? Word of knowledge?

There is, I believe, a Very Simple Solution, found In The
Perfect {Which "Has come," And
we have}, Pure And
Preserved Word of God, The Bible,
Prayerfully and Carefully studied:

...Though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all
mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that
I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing…”


Does God Still Have these in effect Today?

What Saith The Pure, Preserved, Precious And Perfect Scriptures?

...Charity suffereth long...(+14 others!)...Charity never faileth...

...BUT Whether there be PROPHECIES, they SHALL FAIL;
whether there be TONGUES, they SHALL CEASE; whether there
be KNOWLEDGE, it shall VANISH AWAY. For we know in part, and
we PROPHESY IN PART.”


The prophecies SHALL FAIL? Who believes that? Surely not
the prophecy experts, correct? Or, one could ask, when?

(A) At the Coming End Of Time {Perfect New Heavens and New Earth?},
when there are No more prophecies to be fulfilled? Or:

(B) At The Second Coming of CHRIST, Who Is “Perfect,”
But, with still More Remaining prophecies To Be Fulfilled?
Then, we wonder, what Exactly does this mean?

But when That Which Is Perfect Is Come, then
that which is In Part SHALL BE DONE AWAY.”
(1_Corinthians_13:1-10 KJB!)


Since (A) And (B) above do not make sense about "prophecies,"
may we then suggest for your Careful/Prayerful Consideration?:

(C) Has not "That Which IS PERFECT" Already COME?

IF so, Then “that which is in part” = the “gift of tongues” has Ceased,
the gift of “the word of knowledge” has Vanished, And the “gift of
prophecy
” has Failed! IF so, then we kindly ask:

(1) Does this not explain Why missionaries Have To Study/Learn
"foreign" languages,
Before departing to the country God Called
them to serve? Because, the “gift of tongues” has Ceased?

(2) Where does This Truth leave Ellen White and Seventh Day Adventism?
And, ALL Other so-called “prophets/prophetesses”?
Because, the “gift of prophecy” has Failed?

(3) What about All The watchmen prophecies and failing "dreams and
visions Date-Setters" of The Great GRACE Departure { aka rapture }?...
Because “the word of knowledge” has Vanished? Not apologizing for So
Many questions, just trying my best To Get To God's Word Of Truth, for me,
And ALL of the pending Confusion would Be ENDED, Right?:

...Need Bible Confirmation, correct?:

"Whereof I am made a minister, according to The Dispensation
of God Which is given to me for you, to fulfil [ Complete! Or Fill Up!! ]
The Word of God (Perfect?)"
(Colossians_1 : 25 cp Psalms 12 : 6-7; 138 : 2 KJB!)


If “That ( neuter gender ) Which is Perfect" is Not The
Perfect CHRIST
( Masculine Gender ), Then Is This not The
Only Other Choice?:

The Pure And Perfect Written Word Of God,
HIS Precious And Holy Scriptures?


Further Biblical Confirmation!:

"The Words Of The LORD Are Pure Words: As silver tried in a
furnace of earth, Purified Seven Times! THOU Shalt Keep Them,
O LORD, THOU Shalt
Preserve Them from this generation For Ever!"
( Psalms_12 : 6-7 KJB! )


"I will worship toward THY holy temple, and praise THY Name for
THY Lovingkindness and for THY Truth: for THOU Hast
Magnified
Thy WORD Above All THY {Perfect?} Name!" (Psalms_138 : 2 KJB!)

Therefore, HIS Word Is The Absolute Final Authority! And
God Warns!: All "who think Above, or, Exceed or Add to IT!":

"And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to
myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us


NOT TO THINK ABOVE THAT WHICH IS WRITTEN,

that no one of you be puffed up for one against another."
(1_Corinthians_4 : 6 KJB!)
{
Sad that Many "self-proclaimed" [whatevers] do this Very Thing, Correct?}

...Finally, IF TRUTH!:

(4) WHY would any child Of God today, "settle for Less { that which
is in Part! }," When they Could Have ALL Of What God Has For them?:

"Who also declared unto us your LOVE In The Spirit. For this cause
we also, since the day we heard it , do not cease to pray for you,
and to desire that ye Might Be Filled With The Knowledge Of HIS
Will In All Wisdom And Spiritual Understanding!" (Colossians_1 : 8-9!)


"That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together In
LOVE, and Unto All Riches Of The Full Assurance Of Understanding,
to the acknowledgement Of
The Mystery of God, And Of The Father,
And Of CHRIST!" (Colossians_2 : 2!)


Because God Has Done Away With That "which was In Part!" Amen?

Thus, the humble Confusion Clearing Conclusion of this study, is that:

The trio of Expired gifts of "prophecy, word of knowledge, And
speaking in tongues," Have Been Superseded Today, By God,
With The
Remaining, And NOW Abiding THREE Gifts Of:

"faith, hope, And love In Grace, Pure GRACE!"
And, The GREATEST Of These Is LOVE!!
+
All the law Is FULFILLED In ONE WORD: LOVE thy neighbor!”
(Galatians 5 : 14; Romans 13 : 8-10 KJB!)
Amen?
-------------------------------------------
Blessed Be The Name of The LORD, And HIS Perfect, Pure, And
"Exalted Above All His Name," WORD For Ever And Ever!! Amen?

Please be Richly Encouraged, enlightened, exhorted, and edified!
God's Simple Will!
In 1 Corinthians 14 Paul tells them to desire the gift of prophecy and gave instructions for how the congregation should judge the validity alleged prophecies. So prophecies didn't fail at the the time of Paul's writing in 1 Corinthians 13. Nor is there a verse that says when spiritual gifts are ended. So there's no reason to interpret this the way you have. You just aren't open to spiritual gifts, just say that much.
 

DavidTree

Well-known member
Aug 2, 2021
3,764
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113
#9
I guess I would have to ask about the gifts because they were given after Christ's Death on the Cross. So why mention them in the first place? I got to a certain point and shook my head. 1 Corinthians 12 show differently, IMHO. I always understood 1 Corinthians 13 to say, and I am paraphrasing in my words, that we will not understand completely until we meet him face to face. Until that day our Hope is in GOD, our Faith is in Jesus, and we should love others as GOD has loved us.

I left the Southern Baptist Church for the same thing years ago. Interesting thought...
" Now we see but a dim reflection as in a mirror" = the Scripture is the mirror - it is not the PERFECT Come.
 

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Just as Christ fulfilled all the prophets said about the Messiah, the Bride AND Israel must fulfill all the prophets spoke…such as Gentiles seeing a great light…John the Baptist referred to Jesus as the Bridegroom so, there must be a Bride…Zachariah speaks of Israel looking upon Him that they pierced…

The daughters of Zion are the Bride.

The daughters of Jerusalem are Israel.
 

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Perfect is coming in stages as Christ fulfills all things….

The PERFECT Messiah has come but, the PERFECT King is waiting for His PERFECT Bride….

and Israel has not become PERFECT yet…
 

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Precious friend(s), surely, we All {In Fellowship With our LORD JESUS}, do
know And Understand And agree (1 Corinthians 1 : 9-10 KJB!),
on This Important Verse Of God!, Correct?:

"And Now Abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but
The Greatest of these is Charity!" (1_Corinthians_13 : 13 KJB!)


But, how about This trio of gifts - Are they for us today?:

Modern Day prophet(ess)? Speaking in tongues? Word of knowledge?

There is, I believe, a Very Simple Solution, found In The
Perfect {Which "Has come," And
we have}, Pure And
Preserved Word of God, The Bible,
Prayerfully and Carefully studied:

...Though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all
mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that
I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing…”


Does God Still Have these in effect Today?

What Saith The Pure, Preserved, Precious And Perfect Scriptures?

...Charity suffereth long...(+14 others!)...Charity never faileth...

...BUT Whether there be PROPHECIES, they SHALL FAIL;
whether there be TONGUES, they SHALL CEASE; whether there
be KNOWLEDGE, it shall VANISH AWAY. For we know in part, and
we PROPHESY IN PART.”


The prophecies SHALL FAIL? Who believes that? Surely not
the prophecy experts, correct? Or, one could ask, when?

(A) At the Coming End Of Time {Perfect New Heavens and New Earth?},
when there are No more prophecies to be fulfilled? Or:

(B) At The Second Coming of CHRIST, Who Is “Perfect,”
But, with still More Remaining prophecies To Be Fulfilled?
Then, we wonder, what Exactly does this mean?

But when That Which Is Perfect Is Come, then
that which is In Part SHALL BE DONE AWAY.”
(1_Corinthians_13:1-10 KJB!)


Since (A) And (B) above do not make sense about "prophecies,"
may we then suggest for your Careful/Prayerful Consideration?:

(C) Has not "That Which IS PERFECT" Already COME?

IF so, Then “that which is in part” = the “gift of tongues” has Ceased,
the gift of “the word of knowledge” has Vanished, And the “gift of
prophecy
” has Failed! IF so, then we kindly ask:

(1) Does this not explain Why missionaries Have To Study/Learn
"foreign" languages,
Before departing to the country God Called
them to serve? Because, the “gift of tongues” has Ceased?

(2) Where does This Truth leave Ellen White and Seventh Day Adventism?
And, ALL Other so-called “prophets/prophetesses”?
Because, the “gift of prophecy” has Failed?

(3) What about All The watchmen prophecies and failing "dreams and
visions Date-Setters" of The Great GRACE Departure { aka rapture }?...
Because “the word of knowledge” has Vanished? Not apologizing for So
Many questions, just trying my best To Get To God's Word Of Truth, for me,
And ALL of the pending Confusion would Be ENDED, Right?:

...Need Bible Confirmation, correct?:

"Whereof I am made a minister, according to The Dispensation
of God Which is given to me for you, to fulfil [ Complete! Or Fill Up!! ]
The Word of God (Perfect?)"
(Colossians_1 : 25 cp Psalms 12 : 6-7; 138 : 2 KJB!)


If “That ( neuter gender ) Which is Perfect" is Not The
Perfect CHRIST
( Masculine Gender ), Then Is This not The
Only Other Choice?:

The Pure And Perfect Written Word Of God,
HIS Precious And Holy Scriptures?


Further Biblical Confirmation!:

"The Words Of The LORD Are Pure Words: As silver tried in a
furnace of earth, Purified Seven Times! THOU Shalt Keep Them,
O LORD, THOU Shalt
Preserve Them from this generation For Ever!"
( Psalms_12 : 6-7 KJB! )


"I will worship toward THY holy temple, and praise THY Name for
THY Lovingkindness and for THY Truth: for THOU Hast
Magnified
Thy WORD Above All THY {Perfect?} Name!" (Psalms_138 : 2 KJB!)

Therefore, HIS Word Is The Absolute Final Authority! And
God Warns!: All "who think Above, or, Exceed or Add to IT!":

"And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to
myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us


NOT TO THINK ABOVE THAT WHICH IS WRITTEN,

that no one of you be puffed up for one against another."
(1_Corinthians_4 : 6 KJB!)
{
Sad that Many "self-proclaimed" [whatevers] do this Very Thing, Correct?}

...Finally, IF TRUTH!:

(4) WHY would any child Of God today, "settle for Less { that which
is in Part! }," When they Could Have ALL Of What God Has For them?:

"Who also declared unto us your LOVE In The Spirit. For this cause
we also, since the day we heard it , do not cease to pray for you,
and to desire that ye Might Be Filled With The Knowledge Of HIS
Will In All Wisdom And Spiritual Understanding!" (Colossians_1 : 8-9!)


"That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together In
LOVE, and Unto All Riches Of The Full Assurance Of Understanding,
to the acknowledgement Of
The Mystery of God, And Of The Father,
And Of CHRIST!" (Colossians_2 : 2!)


Because God Has Done Away With That "which was In Part!" Amen?

Thus, the humble Confusion Clearing Conclusion of this study, is that:

The trio of Expired gifts of "prophecy, word of knowledge, And
speaking in tongues," Have Been Superseded Today, By God,
With The
Remaining, And NOW Abiding THREE Gifts Of:

"faith, hope, And love In Grace, Pure GRACE!"
And, The GREATEST Of These Is LOVE!!
+
All the law Is FULFILLED In ONE WORD: LOVE thy neighbor!”
(Galatians 5 : 14; Romans 13 : 8-10 KJB!)
Amen?
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Blessed Be The Name of The LORD, And HIS Perfect, Pure, And
"Exalted Above All His Name," WORD For Ever And Ever!! Amen?

Please be Richly Encouraged, enlightened, exhorted, and edified!

God's Simple Will!
I did a blog that refutes the lie in the OP, you can find it Here, Here and Here

It is tantamount to blasphemy against the Holy Spirit to say that the Trinity no longer works through the Church by the gifts of the Holy Spirit!

It is the same as ascribing the gifts of the Holy Spirit to the Devil! Mark 3v28-30.

Make NO mistake about it!
 

DavidTree

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I did a blog that refutes the lie in the OP, you can find it Here, Here and Here

It is tantamount to blasphemy against the Holy Spirit to say that the Trinity no longer works through the Church by the gifts of the Holy Spirit!

It is the same as ascribing the gifts of the Holy Spirit to the Devil! Mark 3v28-30.

Make NO mistake about it!
Thank you for standing with us against heresy, especially when it is an attack on the Holy Spirit.
 
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3 gifts Superceded By THREE Gifts
This is exactly what 1 Corinthians 13 is all about. And of the three gifts which remain agape love (charity) is the greatest. So in fact it is an act of love to remind Christians that the three gifts that related to the completion of the Bible have been withdrawn, and at the same time the apostles and prophets are with us in the written Word of God.
 

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In 1 Corinthians 14 Paul tells them to desire the gift of prophecy and gave instructions for how the congregation should judge the validity alleged prophecies. So prophecies didn't fail at the the time of Paul's writing in 1 Corinthians 13. Nor is there a verse that says when spiritual gifts are ended. So there's no reason to interpret this the way you have. You just aren't open to spiritual gifts, just say that much.
DO NOT FORBID speaking in tongues.

Paul couldn't have made it any clearer.
 

JTB

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I did a blog that refutes the lie in the OP, you can find it Here, Here and Here

It is tantamount to blasphemy against the Holy Spirit to say that the Trinity no longer works through the Church by the gifts of the Holy Spirit!

It is the same as ascribing the gifts of the Holy Spirit to the Devil! Mark 3v28-30.

Make NO mistake about it!
And THAT is what makes this subject, more than any other, so dangerous. You DON"T want to get this one wrong.
 

DavidTree

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This is exactly what 1 Corinthians 13 is all about. And of the three gifts which remain agape love (charity) is the greatest. So in fact it is an act of love to remind Christians that the three gifts that related to the completion of the Bible have been withdrawn, and at the same time the apostles and prophets are with us in the written Word of God.
What Holy Spirit Gifts have be withdrawn - where does Scripture say this???

Make sure what comes out of your mouth does not come from a heart of unbelief and error.
THIS.

I feel sad for those who are satisfied with a Book. Personally, I want to have the Author.
So simple and so Beautiful - AMEN

“Truly I tell you,” He said, “unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven."

The Bible - God's BEST Ever Children's Book that confuses adults and cause them to have melt-downs.

Can't wait to see the AUTHOR, Face to Face, who signed the Book with His Blood.
 
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"Whereof I am made a minister, according to The Dispensation
of God Which is given to me for you, to fulfil [ Complete! Or Fill Up!! ]
The Word of God (Perfect?)"
(Colossians_1 : 25 cp Psalms 12 : 6-7; 138 : 2 KJB!)
The word used for "fulfill" is different from the one used in "perfect" in "that which is perfect'. Not that I think it matters anyway. Paul isn't saying "I'm finishing up the bible for you guys"...

....to fulfil the word of God; 26Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: 27To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

He's actually preaching The Holy Ghost. Who gives us spiritual gifts.