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It is a theology book, with some historical reference
You are correct, he didn't confirm that is happened, he confirmed that people said that it happened. Sorry it has been like 5 years since I read over this stuff.
Being that Josephus was born in 37 A.D. he could not have been around for Jesus
con·tem·po·rar·y / kənˈtempəˌrerē/ • adj. 1. living or occurring at the same time: the event was recorded by a contemporary historiandating from the same time:
I would have to agree with you then. By definition, most things before the 4th century are difficult to verify because of minimal evidence. Not everything, but a lot of what we know is based on what would be considered minimal evidence.
You're putting words in my mouth. (or on the page, since I'm not technically talking)
I should be a little more clear there. There is plenty of minimal evidence. Testimonies, witness accounts (kind of). But no available facts. As in, nothing to support testimony, that is what minimal evidence is. Circumstantial if you are in court.
I like talking with you.
You are correct, he didn't confirm that is happened, he confirmed that people said that it happened. Sorry it has been like 5 years since I read over this stuff.
Being that Josephus was born in 37 A.D. he could not have been around for Jesus
con·tem·po·rar·y / kənˈtempəˌrerē/ • adj. 1. living or occurring at the same time: the event was recorded by a contemporary historiandating from the same time:
I would have to agree with you then. By definition, most things before the 4th century are difficult to verify because of minimal evidence. Not everything, but a lot of what we know is based on what would be considered minimal evidence.
You're putting words in my mouth. (or on the page, since I'm not technically talking)
I should be a little more clear there. There is plenty of minimal evidence. Testimonies, witness accounts (kind of). But no available facts. As in, nothing to support testimony, that is what minimal evidence is. Circumstantial if you are in court.
I like talking with you.
Z
It is a theology book, with some historical reference
Did you miss the whole Old Testament (or, Tanakh), the Gospels, and Acts? There is definitely a lot of theology in the Bible, but it's not meant to be primarily such.
You are correct, he didn't confirm that is happened, he confirmed that people said that it happened. Sorry it has been like 5 years since I read over this stuff.
It's okay - it happens to all of us
Being that Josephus was born in 37 A.D. he could not have been around for Jesus
con·tem·po·rar·y / kənˈtempəˌrerē/ • adj. 1. living or occurring at the same time: the event was recorded by a contemporary historiandating from the same time:
I would have to agree with you then. By definition, most things before the 4th century are difficult to verify because of minimal evidence. Not everything, but a lot of what we know is based on what would be considered minimal evidence.
Josephus definitely was, by definition, a contemporary - he lived in the 1st century.
And yes, that's very minimal evidence mind you. Again, the earliest manuscripts are dated to at least 900 years after he even wrote.
You're putting words in my mouth. (or on the page, since I'm not technically talking)
Well, I'm sorry for that - but it seems that, since none of the New Testament can count for evidence in your eyes, then we may as well throw out the baby with the bathwater. Why? Well, a story (or poem more accurately) like the Odyssey isn't claiming to be historical. The Gospels and Acts (and the Tanakh), on the other hand, are. We trust that Alexander the Great was a real person, yet mention of him in literature doesn't come until hundreds of years later. On the other hand, many do not trust Jesus to have been real (that is, many who are not scholars), yet we have manuscripts of the Gospels dating to within the 1st century.
I should be a little more clear there. There is plenty of minimal evidence. Testimonies, witness accounts (kind of). But no available facts. As in, nothing to support testimony, that is what minimal evidence is. Circumstantial if you are in court.
Define what you mean by "facts" first.
I like talking with you.
I like talking with myself too! Small world!
No, really - I like talking with you too
Did you miss the whole Old Testament (or, Tanakh), the Gospels, and Acts? There is definitely a lot of theology in the Bible, but it's not meant to be primarily such.
You are correct, he didn't confirm that is happened, he confirmed that people said that it happened. Sorry it has been like 5 years since I read over this stuff.
It's okay - it happens to all of us
Being that Josephus was born in 37 A.D. he could not have been around for Jesus
con·tem·po·rar·y / kənˈtempəˌrerē/ • adj. 1. living or occurring at the same time: the event was recorded by a contemporary historiandating from the same time:
I would have to agree with you then. By definition, most things before the 4th century are difficult to verify because of minimal evidence. Not everything, but a lot of what we know is based on what would be considered minimal evidence.
Josephus definitely was, by definition, a contemporary - he lived in the 1st century.
And yes, that's very minimal evidence mind you. Again, the earliest manuscripts are dated to at least 900 years after he even wrote.
You're putting words in my mouth. (or on the page, since I'm not technically talking)
Well, I'm sorry for that - but it seems that, since none of the New Testament can count for evidence in your eyes, then we may as well throw out the baby with the bathwater. Why? Well, a story (or poem more accurately) like the Odyssey isn't claiming to be historical. The Gospels and Acts (and the Tanakh), on the other hand, are. We trust that Alexander the Great was a real person, yet mention of him in literature doesn't come until hundreds of years later. On the other hand, many do not trust Jesus to have been real (that is, many who are not scholars), yet we have manuscripts of the Gospels dating to within the 1st century.
I should be a little more clear there. There is plenty of minimal evidence. Testimonies, witness accounts (kind of). But no available facts. As in, nothing to support testimony, that is what minimal evidence is. Circumstantial if you are in court.
Define what you mean by "facts" first.
I like talking with you.
I like talking with myself too!
Small world!No, really - I like talking with you too
Z
Daniel Wallace: Is What We Have Now What They Wrote Then? Part 1 - Biola Chapel - YouTube
Daniel Wallace: Did the Ancient Church Muzzle the Canon? - YouTube
I would recommend anyone interested watch these (and, if you really are desiring to, go ahead and read Bart Ehrman - he doesn't say anything new).
Daniel Wallace: Did the Ancient Church Muzzle the Canon? - YouTube
I would recommend anyone interested watch these (and, if you really are desiring to, go ahead and read Bart Ehrman - he doesn't say anything new).
When reading the Bible I find that Jesus had many opportunities to say: "I am God". He NEVER did. Read your red letter Bible on everything Jesus said and you will find he always presented himself as God's Son or Son of Man.
In the few time God spoke directly about Jesus he said: "This is my SON"
I decided to believe in what they say and not try to make it something else. It is so much easier. It is so easier to understand. Too much explaining the other ways.
In the few time God spoke directly about Jesus he said: "This is my SON"
I decided to believe in what they say and not try to make it something else. It is so much easier. It is so easier to understand. Too much explaining the other ways.
Do you believe it is a ministers obligation and duty to their flock to plainly state from the pulpit what is and what is not acceptable belief as to who Christ is unto salvation and the consequences of getting it wrong? Is it the duty of every minister to plainly tell their flock from the pulpit any belief on which eternal life hinges and the consequences of getting it wrong?
If you do believe that, would you utterly condemn as unfit to preach any minister who refused to plainly state from the pulpit that if a person believes Jesus is the son of God, but not the one true God Himself they cannot be saved with that belief, are damned and will go to hell.
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If you do believe that, would you utterly condemn as unfit to preach any minister who refused to plainly state from the pulpit that if a person believes Jesus is the son of God, but not the one true God Himself they cannot be saved with that belief, are damned and will go to hell.
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waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ." (Titus 2:13, ESV)
"...to those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ" (2 Peter 1:1, ESV)
The word 'and' could mean two separate beings.... Laurel 'and' Hardy are not the same person.
If Jesus is God then please explain this verse:
No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father
Matthew 24:38
How can God know something that Jesus doesn't if they are one and the same?
"...to those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ" (2 Peter 1:1, ESV)
The word 'and' could mean two separate beings.... Laurel 'and' Hardy are not the same person.
If Jesus is God then please explain this verse:
No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father
Matthew 24:38
How can God know something that Jesus doesn't if they are one and the same?
Whether Jesus is God or is merely the son of God has no bearing on salvation. If you believe that salvation comes through Jesus then that is sufficient,
Jesus is either God and you obtain salvation through him or:
He is not God , but God has given him authorisation to be responsible for your salvation.
Does it say anywhere in the Bible that failing to understand the exact description, definition, or details of Christ has any bearing on whether you are saved or not? Did Jesus have blue eyes or brown eyes? Does it matter?
By praying to Jesus, you are praying to God - the message ends up in the same place....
Jesus is either God and you obtain salvation through him or:
He is not God , but God has given him authorisation to be responsible for your salvation.
Does it say anywhere in the Bible that failing to understand the exact description, definition, or details of Christ has any bearing on whether you are saved or not? Did Jesus have blue eyes or brown eyes? Does it matter?
By praying to Jesus, you are praying to God - the message ends up in the same place....
Do you know what an "I AM" statement is???
John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am (he), ye shall die in your sins.
John 18:5-6
5 They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am (he). And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.
6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am (he), they went backward, and fell to the ground.
John 1:1-5
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
I didn't understand this at first either...
John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am (he), ye shall die in your sins.
John 18:5-6
5 They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am (he). And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.
6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am (he), they went backward, and fell to the ground.
John 1:1-5
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
I didn't understand this at first either...
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I greatly recommend and encourage you to ask Jesus to prove Himself that you will open your spiritual places and ask Him for your own intimately Knowing experience.
Experiencing a spiritual birth is an experience and that experience is Jesus opening our conscious to Him. The wisdom of God does not need our finite brains telling us warning do not believe, who am i that my finite brain would or could know the infinite Wisdom and requirements of God?
Experiencing a spiritual birth is an experience and that experience is Jesus opening our conscious to Him. The wisdom of God does not need our finite brains telling us warning do not believe, who am i that my finite brain would or could know the infinite Wisdom and requirements of God?
Managers will often wear three hats. The knowledge needed for each aspect of his work is different.
The word persona means an actor who plays several parts, hence the three persons of the Trinity who in reality are one person.
In the UK there is a TV program called undercover boss. The job is different on the shop floor to the boardroom but all the time he is the managing director and when he gets back to the boardroom there will be information that is different to the information he was getting on the shop floor. What we have here is confirmation of Christ's omnipresence with His roll on earth being different from His heavenly roll.
We are body, soul and spirit which means we are a tripartite person and we are made in the image of God who must also be a tripartite person who is body on earth, spirit in heaven and who resides within us.
Otherwise you have a small god who can only be in one place and obviously cannot be Almighty God.
The word persona means an actor who plays several parts, hence the three persons of the Trinity who in reality are one person.
In the UK there is a TV program called undercover boss. The job is different on the shop floor to the boardroom but all the time he is the managing director and when he gets back to the boardroom there will be information that is different to the information he was getting on the shop floor. What we have here is confirmation of Christ's omnipresence with His roll on earth being different from His heavenly roll.
We are body, soul and spirit which means we are a tripartite person and we are made in the image of God who must also be a tripartite person who is body on earth, spirit in heaven and who resides within us.
Otherwise you have a small god who can only be in one place and obviously cannot be Almighty God.
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There is of course plenty of scripture to prove that Jesus is both God and the Son of God. I find it interesting that the word of God calls us believers and not doubters. Yet many so called Christians doubt the simplicity of the bible when they mature into adulthood because they cannot comprehend something. Is it so hard to believe that Jesus is both? Why does it have to be one way or the other?
God is not into role-playing, there are three of Him.
For the record, you are not body, you live in and use a natural body, but when the natural dies and decays back to dirt, you will continue to exist. So, if we are made in the image of God, after His likeness and we are left with just two parts to our makeup when the natural is gone, spirit and soul, how is it that God can be a tripartite being when we are only a bipartite being? According to this scripture you used, I see two of me and three of Him. How does this make us after His likeness?
For the record, you are not body, you live in and use a natural body, but when the natural dies and decays back to dirt, you will continue to exist. So, if we are made in the image of God, after His likeness and we are left with just two parts to our makeup when the natural is gone, spirit and soul, how is it that God can be a tripartite being when we are only a bipartite being? According to this scripture you used, I see two of me and three of Him. How does this make us after His likeness?
When God made man, did He have a physical body? If so, then He is still one up on us, four to three. Not only that, but God is made up of three separate spirit beings, one with a physical body now. You are only show us with two spirit beings and a body. This still is not showing us made in His likeness.