50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

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Runningman

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That's what I thought you were going to say.

If you're interested in correcting your grievous, stupefying, profound error, start at Genesis 1, and get back to me after you finish to Malachi 4.....
Says the person who believes God is going to bring back animal sacrifices for sin offerings. That's an insult to the finished work of Christ.
 

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They asked Jesus about the end of the world (Matthew 24:3) and He answered that question. Some of the things He said did harken back to points made previously, but the context of what Jesus says involves the signs of His coming and the end of the world. It's indisputable.
They asked about "the end [singular] of the AGE [singular]" (based on what He'd already said)... and He'd also already said "the age [singular] to come" is what follows that.

The word in the Greek text (in both Matt24:3 and in Matt13:[24],30,39,40,49-50) is not "world"... but "age".
 

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Right. "...Jews,... Gentiles, and the Church of God". Each can be traced out, in Scripture...
--Jews [both "saved" and "unsaved"]
--Gentiles [both "saved" and "unsaved"]
--the Church of God [made up of only "saved"; "The Church WHICH IS HIS BODY"... made up of both Jews and Gentiles, but considered NEITHER in our standing before God "IN CHRIST"]
[to go along with that ^ ]

[quoting]

"The apostle furnishes us, in 1 Cor. 10:32, with a classification of mankind, which renders material aid in presenting a condensed view of those future dealings of God which form the subject of prophecy, "Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the Church of God." Mankind are divided thus into three classes. As it respects man's condition before God in reference to eternity, there are but two classes, the saved and the unsaved — the regenerate and those who have not been born again. But with regard to God's government of the world, which is the subject to which prophecy applies itself, there are three classes - Jews, Gentiles, and the Church of God."

--William Trotter (1818-1865)

[end quoting; bold and underline, emphasis mine]
 

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They asked about "the end [singular] of the AGE [singular]" (based on what He'd already said)... and He'd also already said "the age [singular] to come" is what follows that.

The word in the Greek text (in both Matt24:3 and in Matt13:[24],30,39,40,49-50) is not "world"... but "age".
The KJV words it like this:

Matthew 13:39-40
39The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

Mattgew 13:49
49So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,

Matthew 24:3
3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Matthew 28:20
20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Hebrews 9:26
26For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
 

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They asked about "the end [singular] of the AGE [singular]" (based on what He'd already said)... and He'd also already said "the age [singular] to come" is what follows that.

The word in the Greek text (in both Matt24:3 and in Matt13:[24],30,39,40,49-50) is not "world"... but "age".
Good point, and what will end this age will be the 70th week of Daniel. The church is just a parenthesis inserted into the Jewish age.
 

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Hebrews 9:26
26For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
This Hebrews 9:26 is worded distinctly from the others I had mentioned / shown...

This ^ verse says "in the end [SINGULAR] of the ages [PLURAL]"...



... whereas the ones in Matt24:3 / Matt13 say, "the end [SINGULAR] of the age [SINGULAR]"




...whereas the other ones I mentioned are:

"the age [SINGULAR] to come" (the earthly MK age); and

--"the ages [PLURAL] of the ages [PLURAL]" (eternity / forever / endlessness / eternal state, etc);


--there's also "the ends [PLURAL] of the ages [PLURAL]" in 1Cor10:11




Learn these *distinctions*... because they do not all *mean* the same thing. No.
 

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Good point, and what will end this age will be the 70th week of Daniel.
Correct! (y) (if you mean what I *think* you mean... I'm reading your words potentially two different ways! LOL... Only ONE would be CORRECT! :D )



[that is, IF you mean that "the end [singular] of the age [singular]" IS DISTINCT FROM "this/the PRESENT age [singular]" ;) (the one WE are standing in and speaking out from!)]
 

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The KJV words it like this:

Matthew 13:39-40
39The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

Mattgew 13:49
49So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,

Matthew 24:3
3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Matthew 28:20
20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Hebrews 9:26
26For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Yes the KJV translators knew exactly what the context was, the Second Coming (End Of The World)

Just one example of how the new translations distort Gods truth

I was just reading Early Churxh Father (Justyn Martyr 100-165AD) in his dialogue with Trypho the Jew, and he was commenting on how the Jews in Alexandria Egypt removed many aspects of scripture in the Greek Septuigiant, and couple that with Adulterers Kurt and Barbara Aland, and dont forget homosexual union supporter (CarloMaria Martini) creating the Greek Text (Novum Testamentum Graece) that supports the NIV, ESV, NASB, RSV, Etc
 

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My friend trust me when I tell you........I don't need advice from you. Ever.
As he clearly stated, from the person who claims God is going to bring back animal sacrifice for sin, in the false teaching of a future temple in Jerusalem is seen in Ezekiel 43

The temple seen is the 2nd Zerubbabel Temple built in 536BC and Ezekiel showed the House of Israel (In The Captivity) the pattern to build, he wrote in their sight the words to be followed in this temple

How could any person claim animal blood sacrifice would be resumed after the cross of Calvary, instructed by God, hard to believe, as you willfully deny the very clear words in scripture below

Zerubbabel 2nd Temple 536BC (Fulfilled)

(Let Them Measure The Pattern)

(Write In Their Sight)

Ezekiel 43:10-11 & 19-20KJB
10 Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern.
11 And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them.

19 And thou shalt give to the priests the Levites that be of the seed of Zadok, which approach unto me, to minister unto me, saith the Lord God, a young bullock for a sin offering.
20 And thou shalt take of the blood thereof, and put it on the four horns of it, and on the four corners of the settle, and upon the border round about: thus shalt thou cleanse and purge it.
 

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TDW: --there's also "the ends [PLURAL] of the ages [PLURAL]" in 1Cor10:11
...for example, some careless students of the text read this passage ^ as being EQUATED with the Matt24:3 and Matt13:30,39,40,49-50 "the end [SINGULAR] of the age [SINGULAR]"

...and consequently have claimed that THIS text (1Cor10:11, in quote above), which is saying, "upon whom the ends [PLURAL] of the ages [PLURAL] *ARE ARRIVED* means (according to their FLAWED reasoning) that "the end of the age" has already taken place / been fulfilled / come to its conclusion.


FALSE! ;) But that's what happens when one "blurs these all together" as though they refer to the same thing.

Rather, they are DISTINCT! ;)




Apart from careful study, one tends to "mindlessly repeat" the falsehoods they've *heard* others say.



Some are too pre-occupied to "study" these out, for themselves... :rolleyes:
 

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...for example, some careless students of the text read this passage ^ as being EQUATED with the Matt24:3 and Matt13:30,39,40,49-50 "the end [SINGULAR] of the age [SINGULAR]"

...and consequently have claimed that THIS text (1Cor10:11, in quote above), which is saying, "upon whom the ends [PLURAL] of the ages [PLURAL] *ARE ARRIVED* means (according to their FLAWED reasoning) that "the end of the age" has already taken place / been fulfilled / come to its conclusion.


FALSE! ;) But that's what happens when one "blurs these all together" as though they refer to the same thing.

Rather, they are DISTINCT! ;)




Apart from careful study, one tends to "mindlessly repeat" the falsehoods they've *heard* others say.



Some are too pre-occupied to "study" these out, for themselves... :rolleyes:
The Written Response Is Chaos, Unreadable
 

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The KJV words it like this:
Matthew 13:39-40
39The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
Mattgew 13:49
49So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
Matthew 24:3
3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Matthew 28:20
20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Hebrews 9:26
26For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
[and don't forget 1Cor10:11 ;)kjv has it as: "upon whom the ends of the world are come." (see my previous post, for clarity)]


As pretty as your post looks, if you (and any readers "LIKING" your beautiful post) are placing 1Cor10:11 and Heb9:26 as saying the EXACT SAME PHRASE, and meaning the exact SAME thing, as the ones in the LIST ABOVE THOSE (as many tend to do!), then you've misunderstood these texts. ;)



Only *you* can answer that question... (I don't need to see your answer). ;)
 

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Says the person who believes God is going to bring back animal sacrifices for sin offerings. That's an insult to the finished work of Christ.
ONLY YOU would Come up with that Idea. ALL JEWs will get a heavy dose of CHRIST IS YOUR ULTIMATE SACRIFICE, from the REVELATION's TWO WITNESSES. There are Multiple Sacrifices that do not involve BLOOD Sacrifices in the TEMPLE. FEAST OF FIRST FRUITS is ONE. Feasts of Tabernacles is one that does not have to have BLOOD, is another. It will be a JEWISH STATE in the KINGDOM. ~ ~ ~ THE CHURCH AGE is DONE. Get off your Prideful Horse, the KINGDOM is JEWISH.

JESUS never even used that word CHRISTIAN, He used the was ASSEMBLY, the same thing HE called O.T. Assembly.

Matthew 16:18 (YLT)
18 `And I also say to thee, that thou art a rock, and upon this rock I will build my assembly, and gates of Hades shall not prevail against it;

John 10:15-16 (YLT)
15 according as the Father doth know me, and I know the Father, and my life I lay down for the sheep,
16 and other sheep, {that's the N.T. ASSEMBLY} I have that are not of this fold{that's the last of O.T. ASSEMBLY}, these also it behoveth me to bring, and my voice they will hear, and there shall become one flock {that will happen at the RAPTURE}--one shepherd. {Jesus Christ}
 

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[and don't forget 1Cor10:11 ;)kjv has it as: "upon whom the ends of the world are come." (see my previous post, for clarity)]


As pretty as your post looks, if you (and any readers "LIKING" your beautiful post) are placing 1Cor10:11 and Heb9:26 as saying the EXACT SAME PHRASE, and meaning the exact SAME thing, as the ones in the LIST ABOVE THOSE (as many tend to do!), then you've misunderstood these texts. ;)



Only *you* can answer that question... (I don't need to see your answer). ;)
It'll be the end of the world. The context of Matthew 24 and various other scriptures confirm this. Jesus returns like the flood in the days of Noah. Jesus returns and with the power of God melts the heavens and earth. Jesus destroys the anti-Christ with the brightness of His coming and takes vengeance on those who did not obey the gospel.

If that isn't the end of the world to you then we probably aren't reading the same Bible.
 

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It'll be the end of the world. The context of Matthew 24 and various other scriptures confirm this. Jesus returns like the flood in the days of Noah. Jesus returns and with the power of God melts the heavens and earth. Jesus destroys the anti-Christ with the brightness of His coming and takes vengeance on those who did not obey the gospel.
If that isn't the end of the world to you then we probably aren't reading the same Bible.
I'm asking you about these two verses (one you had listed, the other you had forgotten to list)... what do THEY mean? :

--Hebrews 9:26
26For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.


--1Cor10:11 -
"... upon whom the ends of the world are come [/are arrived]."



Are you saying these two verses also *mean* the same thing as what you're saying above (in your quote at top of this post--esp. since you bolded the same phrase in the Heb9:26 verse, in your post) ?? Are you saying these all MEAN the same thing??
 

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As he clearly stated, from the person who claims God is going to bring back animal sacrifice for sin, in the false teaching of a future temple in Jerusalem is seen in Ezekiel 43

The temple seen is the 2nd Zerubbabel Temple built in 536BC and Ezekiel showed the House of Israel (In The Captivity) the pattern to build, he wrote in their sight the words to be followed in this temple

How could any person claim animal blood sacrifice would be resumed after the cross of Calvary, instructed by God, hard to believe, as you willfully deny the very clear words in scripture below

Zerubbabel 2nd Temple 536BC (Fulfilled)

(Let Them Measure The Pattern)

(Write In Their Sight)

Ezekiel 43:10-11 & 19-20KJB
10 Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern.
11 And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them.

19 And thou shalt give to the priests the Levites that be of the seed of Zadok, which approach unto me, to minister unto me, saith the Lord God, a young bullock for a sin offering.
20 And thou shalt take of the blood thereof, and put it on the four horns of it, and on the four corners of the settle, and upon the border round about: thus shalt thou cleanse and purge it.
No way this is the Temple of Zerubbabel....

Ezek 43:4
And the glory of the LORD came into the temple by way of the gate which faces toward the east.
 

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I'm asking you about these two verses (one you had listed, the other you had forgotten to list)... what do THEY mean? :

--Hebrews 9:26
26For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.


--1Cor10:11 -
"... upon whom the ends of the world are come [/are arrived]."



Are you saying these two verses also *mean* the same thing as what you're saying above (in your quote at top of this post--esp. since you bolded the same phrase in the Heb9:26 verse, in your post) ?? Are you saying these all MEAN the same thing??
I quoted those verses and highlighted "end of the world" because G165 is used there. I wanted you to see how it used in the context.
 

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It'll be the end of the world. The context of Matthew 24 and various other scriptures confirm this. Jesus returns like the flood in the days of Noah. Jesus returns and with the power of God melts the heavens and earth. Jesus destroys the anti-Christ with the brightness of His coming and takes vengeance on those who did not obey the gospel.

If that isn't the end of the world to you then we probably aren't reading the same Bible.
You will closely note, they run from the fact of the Lords fire at the Second Coming, as if it dosent exist

(The End Of The World)

There will be no Millennial Kingdom on this Earth, Jesus Christ returns in fire and Final Judgement, dissolving this earth by fire (The End)

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation.

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ!

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved
, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.


2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God
, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
 

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No way this is the Temple of Zerubbabel....

Ezek 43:4
And the glory of the LORD came into the temple by way of the gate which faces toward the east.
Zerubbabel 2nd Temple 536BC (Fulfilled)

(The House Of Israel In The Babylonian Captivity)

(Let Them Measure The Pattern)

(Write In Their Sight)

Ezekiel 43:10-11 & 19-20KJB
10 Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern.
11 And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them.