613 Commandments in the Old Testament or the Torah

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Ariel82

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I think God Himself just gave the 10. Moses came up with the rest. I think the main 10 are the biggies.
the main two Jesus gives are the "biggies"

Matthew 22
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’[SUP][d][/SUP] [SUP]38 [/SUP]This is the first and great commandment. [SUP]39 [/SUP]And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’[SUP][e][/SUP] [SUP]40 [/SUP]On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.



however, Moses did NOT come up with the rest. He recorded what God told him too.

Example:

Exodus 20
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Then the Lord said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: ‘You have seen that I have talked with you from heaven. [SUP]23 [/SUP]You shall not make anything to be with Me—gods of silver or gods of gold you shall not make for yourselves. [SUP]24 [/SUP]An altar of earth you shall make for Me, and you shall sacrifice on it your burnt offerings and your peace offerings, your sheep and your oxen. In every place where I record My name I will come to you, and I will bless you. [SUP]25 [/SUP]And if you make Me an altar of stone, you shall not build it of hewn stone; for if you use your tool on it, you have profaned it. [SUP]26 [/SUP]Nor shall you go up by steps to My altar, that your nakedness may not be exposed on it.’


God keeps telling Moses what to write from Exodus 20 until Exodus 24

which is what MOSES WROTE:

[SUP]3 [/SUP]So Moses came and told the people all the words of the Lord and all the judgments. And all the people answered with one voice and said, “All the words which the Lord has said we will do.” [SUP]4 [/SUP]And Moses wrote all the words of the Lord.
 
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Ariel82

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Can anyone answer HOW each of the 613 commandments can be hung on the main two Jesus listed?
 

john832

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Of the 613 laws, the majority cannot be practiced today because there is No Levite priests, No Temple, No Sanhedrin. My Messianic Jewish Rabbi said only about 125 are obtainable at this time in history, but Ezekiel and a few other scriptures indicate that they will be restored during the Millenium Kingdom on Earth.

As for as stoning an adultress or anyone else, there is no Sanhedrin for witnesses to go to. So stoning is not an option at this time.

Mostly common sense is all that is needed to know what applies and what doesn't.
And God's Spirit...

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Now for the following...

For example, several of my Messianic Jewish friends wear the tzitzit.
Num 15:37 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Num 15:38 Speak unto the children of Israel, and bid them that they make them fringes in the borders of their garments throughout their generations, and that they put upon the fringe of the borders a ribband of blue:
Num 15:39 And it shall be unto you for a fringe, that ye may look upon it, and remember all the commandments of the LORD, and do them; and that ye seek not after your own heart and your own eyes, after which ye use to go a whoring:

Now remember, these folks did not have access to the Holy Spirit for the most part (Moses, perhaps Aaron and a select few down through history, but the Holy Spirit was not available wholesale until Pentecost, 31 AD) so this was a reminder and a type. Notice the purpose of the tassels...

Num 15:39 And it shall be unto you for a fringe, that ye may look upon it, and remember all the commandments of the LORD, and do them; and that ye seek not after your own heart and your own eyes, after which ye use to go a whoring:

What do we do today? Do we wear tassels? Do we need tassels?

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

the tassels were a physical type of a Spiritual fulfillment. They were a shadow of the Holy Spirit that was to be given that would call to remembrance what God tells us to do. Remember that the LORD of the Old Testament is the very same one who became Jesus Christ. So He knew what He was going to do and gave a foreshadowing with the tassels of the coming Holy Spirit.

Num 15:38 "Speak to the people of Isra'el, instructing them to make, through all their generations, tzitziyot on the corners of their garments, and to put with the tzitzit on each corner a blue thread.

The blue thread is representative of the commandments. We see in Revelation that the whore (church) does not use the color blue because they do not keep the commandments and have changed the times and laws.
And when you come down to it there is only one Law that has to do with time, number four.
 

john832

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circumcision:

interesting verses:

Deuteronomy 10:16 Therefore circumcise the foreskin of your heart, and be stiff-necked no longer.


Deuteronomy 30:6 And the Lord your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your descendants, to love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul, that you may live.

Jeremiah 4:4 Circumcise yourselves to the Lord, And take away the foreskins of your hearts, You men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem, Lest My fury come forth like fire, And burn so that no one can quench it, Because of the evil of your doings.”

Romans 2
[SUP]25 [/SUP]For circumcision is indeed profitable if you keep the law; but if you are a breaker of the law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision. [SUP]26 [/SUP]Therefore, if an uncircumcised man keeps the righteous requirements of the law, will not his uncircumcision be counted as circumcision? [SUP]27 [/SUP]And will not the physically uncircumcised, if he fulfills the law, judge you who, even with your written code and circumcision, are a transgressor of the law? [SUP]28 [/SUP]For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; [SUP]29 [/SUP]but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.
Interesting. I think you are beginning to understand what is meant by...

Isa 42:21 The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

The New Covenant is the writing of God's Laws in our hearts and minds...

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

So how is circumcision written in our hearts and minds?

Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Yes, we are still to be circumcised today, that law was not obliterated, it is fulfilled today by the Spiritual circumcision of our hearts by the Holy Spirit. Christ converts us and changes our heart. He give us the heart to be obedient.
 

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Whichever "commandment" as is stated here falling within the range of the two great laws, should be, by nature, obeyed by any who love.

As far as the OT commandments are mentioned, they are the ten engraved in stone. When we come to know the Savior they are written on the flesh tablets of our hearts.

If anyone is attempting to put any rules on moral and holy behavior up to ridicule, I pity that person. As for the laws pertaining to love, they will always be extant. There is no manner in which they may be finished, yet they are fulfilled in believing Yeshua, Jesus. Believing Him entails doing His Word not simply attempting to destroy it.

Anyone knows by the Holy Spirit if a given law should be followed. Anyone should know by his new nature.

All here who believe themselves qualified to discard any of the rules of good behavior, you are not hearing the Word. What is the problem with returning a neighbor's lost property? Where is the error in being informed to help your enemy? What is the grave crime against grace when being learned not to covet anything?

Yeshua, Jesus, said it. He did not come to destroy the law, rather to complete it. We live in His Holy grace. This by no means is to be interpreted as the laws on good conduct are destroyed.

People, do not be afraid of the good and the wisdom that may be found in the law. Do not play coy either! If the laws fall under the great laws, you know it. If they are simply ritualistic, you know it.

Do not be envious of those who are happy to obey the Father, Who is Yeshua, Jesus. If you do not understand God's children's doing their best to obey Him and please Him, please do not stand in their way.
 
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Ariel82

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So John are you saying tassles aren't needed right now because we have the HOLY SPIRIT?

If so I would agree.

I just find it disturbing when people go hypocritical on me and say "you are picking and choosing which laws to follow" when if they are honest they do the same, yet when they do it, they call it "discrimination" and "rightly dividing God's word"

for example: dietary laws, stoning adulterers, keeping the feasts/festivals, the true meaning of the Sabbath, what the TABERNACLE is today and many other topics that bring out anger and false accusations when discussed.

I always wonder why, until I'm reminded of these verses:

James 3
[h=3][/h][SUP]13 [/SUP]Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by good conduct that his works are done in the meekness of wisdom. [SUP]14 [/SUP]But if you have bitter envy and self-seeking in your hearts, do not boast and lie against the truth. [SUP]15 [/SUP]This wisdom does not descend from above, but is earthly, sensual, demonic. [SUP]16 [/SUP]For where envy and self-seeking exist, confusion and every evil thing are there. [SUP]17 [/SUP]But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy. [SUP]18 [/SUP]Now the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.
 

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Can anyone answer HOW each of the 613 commandments can be hung on the main two Jesus listed?
Galatians 3

Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made;and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. 20Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. 21Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. 22But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.23But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
A New Covenant where GOD puts His Law within us.
 
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Ariel82

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Interesting. I think you are beginning to understand
You know this statement is rather pompous and condescending?

Its ok, I forgive you for it.

However, I think it would be better if you commented on your own understanding than mine, because you don't really know me or what I understood at all.
 
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Ariel82

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A New Covenant where GOD puts His Law within us.
now all we need to establish is what is God's LAW and what are pointers, shadows, figurative language, signs, etc that God uses to teach people who REFUSE to listen to God's voice directly?
 

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now all we need to establish is what is God's LAW and what are pointers, shadows, figurative language, signs, etc that God uses to teach people who REFUSE to listen to God's voice directly?
From past conversation we both know each others beliefs on Sabbath.

My heart adheres to this on the matter:

Matthew 5

17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
If ever one with different beliefs shares, this comes to mind along with other parts of Scripture, though you know me well enough to know this :)
 

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Read and address posts which have already replied to your recent questions. Perhaps you will find there is no need to ask.
 

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Too bad our focus isn't on the great love by which we are redeemed rather than the 613 that strokes our egos.

1 Corinthians 2:1-2 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.
For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
 

john832

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see what I don't get is why no one shows how Israel brought upon themselves a curse because they broke God's covenant?

Or how the promise to Abraham was not to all his seeds but just ONE SEED: christ Jesus.

Deut 30 says this:



Deut 31 says this



showing you that GOD KNOWS that they will break His covenant.
God knew that they could not keep His Covenant on their own without the Holy Spirit. The problem is that man doesn't believe this. Man thinks that given a few more years, a few more tries, a few more books, etc. that man can solve all of his problems without the help of God. Our father and mother ate of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil and now men think they are qualified to determine right and wrong and solve all of his problems without God.

Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
Gen 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
Gen 3:8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
Gen 3:9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
Gen 3:10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
Gen 3:11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

The problem wasn't them knowing they were naked, the problem was it became shameful to them under the influence of Satan. The Devil has twisted and perverted everything that God made and called good. Our parents became perverted in their thinking because they submitted to the Devil and chose to make their own choices.

so if someone breaks a covenant doesn't that mean the terms of the agreement are void?
No, if you have a covenant in a deed, say in this covenant you give a right of way to a neighbor and it is written into the deed as a term and condition. Now you decide to break this covenant, do you think your neighbor will say "Oh well, easy come, easy go"? I'll bet he will take you to court and MAKE you live up to the covenants and restriction of the deed filed and I'll bet the laws of the land and the courts will do this. Just because you decide to beak a covenant doesn't necessarily render it null and void.

Another example: You take out a loan for a car, $35,000 at 12% (whew) and then decide the payments are to high. You decide you just wont' pay them. Does that render this contract null and void and you just keep the car and pay nothing? Don't try this at home, the bank will show you in no uncertain terms that you cannot just render this contract null and void on your own.

I know God makes a NEW covenant with all of the SPIRITUAL descendents of Abraham who accept Jesus as Savior: Redeemer and Lord.

However, after Israel goes chasing after other gods and breaks the covenant with God, is God still held to the broken covenant?
Jer 3:14 Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion:

God (Christ) died to break this, because the only way to break a marriage covenant was for one of both of the parties to die.

Wouldn't it be His choice to renew or reestablish the terms of the covenant?

the song of Moses, that is taught in Deuteronomy 32 gives you a clue about the type of covenant God will establish with His people and their punishment.






It foreshadows the rest of the OT and what happens to the Israelite people.

yet, I haven't really ever heard it discussed.

I figured its because I can't go to church all that often, with kids and all.

Has anyone heard about the song of Moses? Any thoughts, sermons, insights?

i could start a new thread but since this one is mine I figured I'd ask in it, instead of jumping around with a bunch of new threads.
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Ariel82

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All here who believe themselves qualified to discard any of the rules of good behavior, you are not hearing the Word.

People, do not be afraid of the good and the wisdom that may be found in the law. Do not play coy either! If the laws fall under the great laws, you know it. If they are simply ritualistic, you know it.

Do not be envious of those who are happy to obey the Father, Who is Yeshua, Jesus. If you do not understand God's children's doing their best to obey Him and please Him, please do not stand in their way.
Do do you think you are speaking to with these words?

- "qualified to disregard rules"

you disregard the ones you label as "ritualistic" without bothering to show WHY or HOW Jesus fulfills them. Do you feel "qualified" to do that?

- "coy"?

no one is being coy, I thought this was a discussion board. many people have never read the list of 613. Sometimes people claim that shadows should still be followed. Openly discussing them and showing the wisdom if following God's teaching is not "coy." Openly revealing how men add their own rules and understand making things like the Sabbath in to a list of "rules" instead of understanding why Jesus says that the Sabbath is made for men and not men for the sabbath, might actually teach people something about how God works. However too many are stuck in the shadows they don't see the Light that shines among them.

-"envious"

no, not really. its more a profound sadness that many people will keep the bondage of the law and the ministry of sin and death written on stone tablets and not hear about the NEW covenant established through Christ Jesus.

Perhaps one day they will understand the lessons their tutors are trying to teach them.
 
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Ariel82

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Read and address posts which have already replied to your recent questions. Perhaps you will find there is no need to ask.
patience is a virtue.....
 

JaumeJ

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Now your reply is very sad. I am sorry to see you do not understand what is the content. If you wish to take issue with all who answer to your OP with honesty, this will prove to be provocative but not productive in the way of fellowship and mutual edification. May God bless you with an understanding heart and spirit, amen.


Do do you think you are speaking to with these words?

- "qualified to disregard rules"

you disregard the ones you label as "ritualistic" without bothering to show WHY or HOW Jesus fulfills them. Do you feel "qualified" to do that?

- "coy"?

no one is being coy, I thought this was a discussion board. many people have never read the list of 613. Sometimes people claim that shadows should still be followed. Openly discussing them and showing the wisdom if following God's teaching is not "coy." Openly revealing how men add their own rules and understand making things like the Sabbath in to a list of "rules" instead of understanding why Jesus says that the Sabbath is made for men and not men for the sabbath, might actually teach people something about how God works. However too many are stuck in the shadows they don't see the Light that shines among them.

-"envious"

no, not really. its more a profound sadness that many people will keep the bondage of the law and the ministry of sin and death written on stone tablets and not hear about the NEW covenant established through Christ Jesus.

Perhaps one day they will understand the lessons their tutors are trying to teach them.
 
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Ariel82

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John, I've got to feed the little ones breakfast. I'll come back and read your posts and respond when I get a chance.

believe it or not, I'm just reading what people declare the 613 commandments God gives in the OT to see what they are referring to and if there is wisdom in following some of them and the reasoning behind NOT following some of them.

Unlike some, I can't just dismiss laws cuz my "common sense" tells me they are inconvenient or make up lies like you need a priesthood to stone someone.

that didn't stop the people who stoned Stephen

Acts 7
[SUP]57 [/SUP]Then they cried out with a loud voice, stopped their ears, and ran at him with one accord; [SUP]58 [/SUP]and they cast him out of the city and stoned him.

no trial or presenting of their case there...
 
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Now your reply is very sad. I am sorry to see you do not understand what is the content. If you wish to take issue with all who answer to your OP with honesty, this will prove to be provocative but not productive in the way of fellowship and mutual edification. May God bless you with an understanding heart and spirit, amen.
so instead of clarifying your statements......this is your response.........okay.
 

john832

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Wouldn't it be His choice to renew or reestablish the terms of the covenant?
Well would it?

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

The Law didn't change (you can look at the word for Law here in verse 33, it is Torah) the change was the giving of the Holy Spirit to write these Laws in our hearts and minds.

the song of Moses, that is taught in Deuteronomy 32 gives you a clue about the type of covenant God will establish with His people and their punishment.






It foreshadows the rest of the OT and what happens to the Israelite people.

yet, I haven't really ever heard it discussed.

I figured its because I can't go to church all that often, with kids and all.

Has anyone heard about the song of Moses? Any thoughts, sermons, insights?

i could start a new thread but since this one is mine I figured I'd ask in it, instead of jumping around with a bunch of new threads.
Let's notice a few things about the Rock Moses spoke of, who was it?

1Co 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
1Co 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1Co 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

The Rock is Christ, why didn't Israel follow Him?

Deu 5:29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!

They could not, they did not have God's Spirit to give them the heart to follow Him...

Deu 32:15 But Jeshurun waxed fat, and kicked: thou art waxen fat, thou art grown thick, thou art covered with fatness; then he forsook God which made him, and lightly esteemed the Rock of his salvation.

They were fixated on the physical, on all the blessings they received.

Deu 32:16 They provoked him to jealousy with strange gods, with abominations provoked they him to anger.
Deu 32:17 They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not.
Deu 32:18 Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee.

And they began to serve other God's. We don't do this today do we? Houses, cars, bank accounts status, Eastern religions, Scientology, etc.

Deu 32:19 And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them, because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters.
Deu 32:20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.
Deu 32:21 They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.

To cut to the chase, what is the overall theme? Israel became fat, dumb and happy with their blessings, forgot who the true God was and then began to suffer correction.

Deu 32:28 For they are a nation void of counsel, neither is there any understanding in them.
Deu 32:29 O that they were wise, that they understood this, that they would consider their latter end!
Deu 32:30 How should one chase a thousand, and two put ten thousand to flight, except their Rock had sold them, and the LORD had shut them up?
Deu 32:31 For their rock is not as our Rock, even our enemies themselves being judges.
Deu 32:32 For their vine is of the vine of Sodom, and of the fields of Gomorrah: their grapes are grapes of gall, their clusters are bitter:
Deu 32:33 Their wine is the poison of dragons, and the cruel venom of asps.
Deu 32:34 Is not this laid up in store with me, and sealed up among my treasures?
Deu 32:35 To me belongeth vengeance, and recompence; their foot shall slide in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste.
Deu 32:36 For the LORD shall judge his people, and repent himself for his servants, when he seeth that their power is gone, and there is none shut up, or left.
Deu 32:37 And he shall say, Where are their gods, their rock in whom they trusted,
Deu 32:38 Which did eat the fat of their sacrifices, and drank the wine of their drink offerings? let them rise up and help you, and be your protection.
Deu 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

Most went ot great effort here to warn the people of what would happen to them if the disobeyed and began to go after other gods (which really are not God) and to break the first Commandment.
 

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Would the conditions of the Covenant change?

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

The Law didn't change (you can look at the word for Law here in verse 33, it is Torah) the change was the giving of the Holy Spirit to write these Laws in our hearts and minds.



Let's notice a few things about the Rock Moses spoke of, who was it?

1Co 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
1Co 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1Co 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

The Rock is Christ, why didn't Israel follow Him?

Deu 5:29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!

They could not, they did not have God's Spirit to give them the heart to follow Him...

Deu 32:15 But Jeshurun waxed fat, and kicked: thou art waxen fat, thou art grown thick, thou art covered with fatness; then he forsook God which made him, and lightly esteemed the Rock of his salvation.

They were fixated on the physical, on all the blessings they received.

Deu 32:16 They provoked him to jealousy with strange gods, with abominations provoked they him to anger.
Deu 32:17 They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not.
Deu 32:18 Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee.

And they began to serve other God's. We don't do this today do we? Houses, cars, bank accounts status, Eastern religions, Scientology, etc.

Deu 32:19 And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them, because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters.
Deu 32:20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.
Deu 32:21 They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.

To cut to the chase, what is the overall theme? Israel became fat, dumb and happy with their blessings, forgot who the true God was and then began to suffer correction.

Deu 32:28 For they are a nation void of counsel, neither is there any understanding in them.
Deu 32:29 O that they were wise, that they understood this, that they would consider their latter end!
Deu 32:30 How should one chase a thousand, and two put ten thousand to flight, except their Rock had sold them, and the LORD had shut them up?
Deu 32:31 For their rock is not as our Rock, even our enemies themselves being judges.
Deu 32:32 For their vine is of the vine of Sodom, and of the fields of Gomorrah: their grapes are grapes of gall, their clusters are bitter:
Deu 32:33 Their wine is the poison of dragons, and the cruel venom of asps.
Deu 32:34 Is not this laid up in store with me, and sealed up among my treasures?
Deu 32:35 To me belongeth vengeance, and recompence; their foot shall slide in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste.
Deu 32:36 For the LORD shall judge his people, and repent himself for his servants, when he seeth that their power is gone, and there is none shut up, or left.
Deu 32:37 And he shall say, Where are their gods, their rock in whom they trusted,
Deu 32:38 Which did eat the fat of their sacrifices, and drank the wine of their drink offerings? let them rise up and help you, and be your protection.
Deu 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

Most went ot great effort here to warn the people of what would happen to them if the disobeyed and began to go after other gods (which really are not God) and to break the first Commandment.[/QUOTE]

One more thing about the Rock...

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
 
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