The New Covenant Wine Is All of God’s Word

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A few months ago I posted a study I had undertaken about covenants because I knew only the basic information about this topic that causes so much contention in the forum. I wanted to understand it better. I stopped posting when the opposition became so fierce that the entire point was lost to a derailed conversation and I determined that I didn’t need that headache every day. I determined that it wasn’t worth the time it took because arguments always put spiritual edification to naught, and there was an overwhelming amount of arguing, nasty rude comments, and downright mean spiritedness. The edification I was attempting to accomplish appeared to be MIA. I have since been asked by several people to repost what I had posted and add to it.

After beseeching Adonai and reminding Him of what happened before (yes, I had the audacity to remind Him of something our All-knowing Lord of Lords might have forgotten (!) or overlooked), and reminding Him that I really would prefer to pass up those ramifications of sharing subject matter that proves we as Christians have certain responsibilities which does not set well with many professing Christians these days, He reminded me of what He said to the Apostle Paul, “My grace is sufficient.” So, I presented to the Great I AM, another reason – oh okay, it was an excuse - to not do this. I said, “But I thought You were leading me in the direction of studying the “Bride of Christ” because so many people don’t have a clue who that is or are misled thinking they are part of this blessed body of believers,” to which He replied, “They are related to each other.”

Experience has shown me over and over that what God says in His Word is true, and most people who read these threads would agree with that simple statement. Likewise, it has also been proven that many professing Christians are exactly that – professing to be Christians, all the while having been misled somewhere along the way, into believing that their carnal minds are somehow compatible with the Word of God which is spiritually discerned. It is not warm and fuzzy. It is many times not logical by our 21[SUP]st[/SUP] century standards. It is however, the very Word of El ‘Elyon (The Most High God), every one of which we are to live by according to both Deuteronomy 8:3 and Matthew 4:4.

So, just to be upfront as I begin to post as I learn, I will ignore “doubtful disputations” and nonsense thrown in with no Bible backup which show evidence of a carnal, fleshly, nonspiritual mind, because – “Now the natural man does not receive the things from the Spirit of God - to him they are nonsense! Moreover, he is unable to grasp them, because they are evaluated through the Spirit.” 1 Corinthians 2:14 (CJB) or if you prefer the (NAS), “But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.”

God likes to use covenants. They are important to Him and should be to us…but they aren’t.
We can say with all good intent that we believe that when we make a promise we keep it and that is part of the ‘integrity’ we should all have. What is so bad is that as a society (at least in America) we have become so accustomed to breaking promises and contracts that we no longer view the covenants God makes with us with the gravity He does. The proof is in the pudding as the old saying goes – just consider the number of marriage contracts broken, the number of home and car repossessions, and the number of bankruptcies we see today. As much as we might like to say that these things happen for good reasons in our own minds, a closer look at covenants would do us well. Why should we study covenants…because according to Galatians 3:14, the covenant blessings of Abraham are also for us. “…in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. (NAS) Only a fool would not want to know his/her obligations and benefits of a contract he/she was a part of.
 

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I don't even understand why you post when you have God directly talking to you.
 
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I don't even understand why you post when you have God directly talking to you.
I'm glad you pointed this out about her, she is listening to all of God, not picking out what promise of God to listen to.
 
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Just-us-2, I am hungry for the Word and to learn anything I do not know concerning it. That was the reason I joined CC, to fellowship with believers who gave careful consideration and study to the word.

I loved your OP! It was refreshing to read, the honesty and sincerity. I know exactly what you mean, it seems like freedom to speak of anything more than Christ and Him crucified is taboo. Well Heck! Don't we (majority) already know that part?

I would love for you to share how the Spirit is leading you. I will not contribute to arguing or badgering, and ignore any who do.:)
 
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Just-us-2, I am hungry for the Word and to learn anything I do not know concerning it. That was the reason I joined CC, to fellowship with believers who gave careful consideration and study to the word.

I loved your OP! It was refreshing to read, the honesty and sincerity. I know exactly what you mean, it seems like freedom to speak of anything more than Christ and Him crucified is taboo. Well Heck! Don't we (majority) already know that part?

I would love for you to share how the Spirit is leading you. I will not contribute to arguing or badgering, and ignore any who do.:)
I once heard of our pastor's wife saying; "Don't try to teach us anything more than what we already know." I asked myself, as a member of that church, "why am I here?" Nevertheless, there were some that took note of new things concerning their relationship to the truth, and they benefited, and excelled. We no longer belong, and neither do the ones that excelled in the Word.
 

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Ok, so much for patting each other on the back. Can someone explain the OP's take on Covenants?
 
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I once heard of our pastor's wife saying; "Don't try to teach us anything more than what we already know." I asked myself, as a member of that church, "why am I here?" Nevertheless, there were some that took note of new things concerning their relationship to the truth, and they benefited, and excelled. We no longer belong, and neither do the ones that excelled in the Word.
lol:) thanks for that chuckle!
 
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Ok, so much for patting each other on the back. Can someone explain the OP's take on Covenants?
If it were me I would start to ask specific questions that were learned and not leading. Maybe you would like to do that?
 

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If it were me I would start to ask specific questions that were learned and not leading. Maybe you would like to do that?
I would but I couldn't make heads or tails of the OP. Especially after the 2nd paragraph my eyes glazed over. Now every one is acting like it's the greatest...so I'm just curious about what.
 
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Some posts are against learning God's word, best to be ignored! So on to learning about covenants:

All of God's interactions with man has a covenant base. As I have studied them, they all seem to lead to Christ, and help make the role of Christ in our lives clearer.

The covenant I have never been able to understand at all is the first covenant made with Adam. I have been told it is a covenant of works. I know that Adam broke the covenant when he knew sin, and because of that he knew death. Yet, Adam's sons knew about blood sacrifice for atonement, as we learn in the study of Cain and Abel. It is the first we hear of grace, for the works of Cain did not give grace, but blood sacrifice did. That would say that right away, God gave grace. God explained through covenants always, but I am not understanding this one.

Would you explain?
 

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Some posts are against learning God's word, best to be ignored! So on to learning about covenants:

All of God's interactions with man has a covenant base. As I have studied them, they all seem to lead to Christ, and help make the role of Christ in our lives clearer.

The covenant I have never been able to understand at all is the first covenant made with Adam. I have been told it is a covenant of works. I know that Adam broke the covenant when he knew sin, and because of that he knew death. Yet, Adam's sons knew about blood sacrifice for atonement, as we learn in the study of Cain and Abel. It is the first we hear of grace, for the works of Cain did not give grace, but blood sacrifice did. That would say that right away, God gave grace. God explained through covenants always, but I am not understanding this one.

Would you explain?
Wouldn't Adam have learned of a blood sacrifice pre figuring Christ and thus experienced grace?

Unto Adam and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skin and did clothe them. Gen 3:21
 
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I am with crossnote on this thread not sure what the OP is wanting to say or discuss.
 
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Hi Just-us-two,

I for one am looking forward to this study.

Jesus said, "Man shall not live on bread alone but on every word that proceeds from the mouth of God."

Every word means every word. Some will take that command and call those who follow it Judaizers.

Knowing the riches and the treasures that come from believing Jesus, I'll continue to study the instructions given in God's word, and not ignoring one little bit.

Paul used our marital relationships as a comparison to our relationship with Christ. So having an understanding of the original marriage covenant and all other passages that speak on this will greatly benefit the bride.
 
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I would but I couldn't make heads or tails of the OP. Especially after the 2nd paragraph my eyes glazed over. Now every one is acting like it's the greatest...so I'm just curious about what.
I am with crossnote on this thread not sure what the OP is wanting to say or discuss.
Ah, patience is a virtue, my friends.:eek: As I said in the op, I will "post as I learn" and that is because the subject is way too huge and involved to put all in one post. Sorry, I like instant answers too, but that just can't be with this subject, at least not the way I study. As long as that is the case, I will not be offended if you choose to discontinue reading this thread.

I pray God blesses all who read this with understanding that can only come from Him. " But some fell into rich soil, and grew, and produced a hundred times as much as had been sown." After saying this, he called out, "Whoever has ears to hear with, let him hear!" Luke 8:8 (CJB)
 
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I would but I couldn't make heads or tails of the OP. Especially after the 2nd paragraph my eyes glazed over. Now every one is acting like it's the greatest...so I'm just curious about what.
Sorry to hear that. These scriptures came to mind when I read your post. Don't take it personal please.

Isaiah 42:6-7 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
[SUP]7 [/SUP]To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.

Isaiah 61:1-2 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
[SUP]2 [/SUP]To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

Luke 4:18-19 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
[SUP]19 [/SUP]To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
 
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Proverbs 28:9, He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be an abomination.
 
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Proverbs 28:14, Happy is the man that feareth alway: but he that hardeneth his heart shall fall into mischief.