a born-again Christian can never (keyword: never) lose their salvation

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GodisONE

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we cannot lose our salvation from the standpoint of God since He will never leave nor forsake us.

but the Book of Jude is clear that we can choose to walk away from God and become back sliders. and in the condition of being a back slider, one can lose their salvation since it was by free will choice to leave God!!
 

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we cannot lose our salvation from the standpoint of God since He will never leave nor forsake us.

but the Book of Jude is clear that we can choose to walk away from God and become back sliders. and in the condition of being a back slider, one can lose their salvation since it was by free will choice to leave God!!
Where in the book of Jude does it talk about Christians choosing to walk away from God and losing their salvation? :unsure:
 

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a born-again Christian can never lose their salvation
Paul was not so confident.
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall. There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
(1Co 9:27; 10:12-13 KJV)
 

GodisONE

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Where in the book of Jude does it talk about Christians choosing to walk away from God and losing their salvation? :unsure:

good question!!
I reread Jude a few times to remind myself and I cannot find it either, hmmmm
my bad!!

at one time I thought due to a teaching a certain passage of scripture meant back sliders. and I guess it could, but I cannot see it for myself after rereading.

good call!!
 

GodisONE

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good question!!
I reread Jude a few times to remind myself and I cannot find it either, hmmmm
my bad!!

at one time I thought due to a teaching a certain passage of scripture meant back sliders. and I guess it could, but I cannot see it for myself after rereading.

good call!!


maybe this is it:

Jude:
3 Dear friends, I was busily at work writing to you about the salvation we share, when I found it necessary to write, urging you to keep contending earnestly for the faith which was once and for all passed on to God's people.
4 For certain individuals, the ones written about long ago as being meant for this condemnation, have wormed their way in - ungodly people who pervert God's grace into a license for debauchery and disown our only Master and Lord, Yeshua the Messiah.
 
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The only thing that we can lose our salvation over is if you take the Mark Of The Beast when the time comes.
 

GodisONE

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The only thing that we can lose our salvation over is if you take the Mark Of The Beast when the time comes.


I don't believe if we are born again and then stop following God by sinning, committing sexual sins, committing murder, etc, [without ever repenting] that we are still saved!!
 
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I'm addressing the Mark Of The Beast which is the one thing in the Bible that if you don't obey God and take it then your salvation will be revolked.

Revelation 14:9-11 (MEV)

"A third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out in full strength into the cup of His anger. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. The smoke of their torment will ascend forever and ever. They have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image and whoever receives the mark of his name."
 
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Many people confess Christ, and no person can say Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost, but many are called but few are chosen, and not many mighty, not many wise according to the flesh, and not many noble are called, because their heart condition is not right to be called.

Some have a form of godliness, but deny the power thereof, ever learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth, and think they are right with God despite holding unto sin, which the Bible says if we sin wilfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth there is no more sacrifice for sins, which means if we hold unto sin then the blood of Christ cannot wash it away.

The Bible says love is the fulfilling of the law, which love does not think an evil thought, rejoices in the truth by hating sin led of the Spirit, is not selfish, not arrogant, does not belittle people, and only goes by their needs and not their wants, and helps the poor and needy if possible.

The Bible says that the Lord knows them that are His having this seal, which this is what seals the saints, and is how they are led of the Spirit, that everyone that names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Which Jesus said not everyone that says Lord, Lord, will be able to enter heaven, but only those that do the will of the Father, and they were workers of iniquity, which they were called because no one says Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost, and they had a form of godliness as they did some labor for the kingdom of God which they brought up to try to get out of their bad situation, but they denied the power thereof for they would not allow the Spirit to lead them because they still wanted to hold unto some things of the flesh.

A person led of the Spirit will know that they have to hate sin, and to abstain from sin, and if they do sin they will get rid of it and keep going forward.

If we sin we can be forgiven of that sin, but saying we cannot abstain from sin, and sin daily, and sin does not affect our relationship with God is the wrong belief, and these people will hold unto sin for they think they cannot beat it anyway, and it does not affect their relationship with God.

That is the difference between being led of the Spirit and not, for those led of the Spirit will know it is wrong to hold unto sin, and it does affect their relationship with God, so if they do sin it will be minor, and not done that often, and they will be sincere when they give it up and mean it, and keep moving forward not wanting sin, and will represent Christ, and act like Christ, a whole lot better.

But those not led of the Spirit will intentionally sin, and hold unto sin, for they think they are alright with God when they sin, so they have sin on their record and think they are alright.

And one of the big sins that they commit is going by their wants on money, and material things, which then they fall in to the category of the love of money is the root of all evil, for it neglects the poor and needy, and love is the fulfilling of the law.
 

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maybe this is it:

Jude:
3 Dear friends, I was busily at work writing to you about the salvation we share, when I found it necessary to write, urging you to keep contending earnestly for the faith which was once and for all passed on to God's people.
4 For certain individuals, the ones written about long ago as being meant for this condemnation, have wormed their way in - ungodly people who pervert God's grace into a license for debauchery and disown our only Master and Lord, Yeshua the Messiah.
No, that is not it. It talks of ungodly (unsaved) people that wormed their way into the group of saved ones and caused trouble.

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mailmandan

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Jude is exhorting believers to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints (vs. 3) because certain ungodly men who have crept in unnoticed. Jude further describes these ungodly men as ones who cause divisions, worldly-minded, devoid of the Spirit (vs. 19)

*In CONTRAST to those who are called, sanctified by God the Father, and PRESERVED in Jesus Christ (vs. 1).

*Psalm 37:28 - For the Lord loves justice, And does not forsake His saints; They are PRESERVED FOREVER, But the descendants of the wicked shall be cut off.
 
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Jude is exhorting believers to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints (vs. 3) because certain ungodly men who have crept in unnoticed. Jude further describes these ungodly men as ones who cause divisions, worldly-minded, devoid of the Spirit (vs. 19)

*In CONTRAST to those who are called, sanctified by God the Father, and PRESERVED in Jesus Christ (vs. 1).

*Psalm 37:28 - For the Lord loves justice, And does not forsake His saints; They are PRESERVED FOREVER, But the descendants of the wicked shall be cut off.
cause division? I hate causing conflicts and bickering,
now what would the sense of innocence be like? does it cease to exist because it's forever broken?
 

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I don't believe if we are born again and then stop following God by sinning, committing sexual sins, committing murder, etc, [without ever repenting] that we are still saved!!
The issue of salvation is not how much you are sinning, nor if you had faith God a year ago, but do you have faith in God today?
 

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About being born again

1PETER1
[4] To AN INHERITANCE INCORRUPTIBLE, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
[5] Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto SALVATION READY TO BE REVEALED IN THE LAST TIME.
[9] Receiving the END OF YOUR FAITH, EVEN THE SALVATION OF YOUR SOULS.[10] Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
[13] Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and HOPE TO THE END FOR THE GRACE THAT IS TO BE BROUGHT UNTO YOU AT THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST;
[23] BEING BORN AGAIN, NOT OF CORRUPTIBLE SEED, BUT OF INCORRUPTIBLE, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

1COR.15
[42] So also is the resurrection of the dead. IT IS SOWN IN CORRUPTION; IT IS RAISED IN INCORRUPTION:
[43] It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
[44] It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. THERE IS A NATURAL BODY, AND THERE IS A SPIRITUAL BODY. ........
[49] And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Phil.3{21}
[50] Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; NEITHER DOTH CORRUPTION INHERIT INCORRUPTION.
[51] Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but WE SHALL ALL BE CHANGED,
[52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
[53] FOR THIS CORRUPTIBLE MUST PUT ON INCORRUPTION, and this mortal must put on immortality.

Then we can enter the kingdom
 

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About being born again

1PETER1
[4] To AN INHERITANCE INCORRUPTIBLE, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
[5] Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto SALVATION READY TO BE REVEALED IN THE LAST TIME.
[9] Receiving the END OF YOUR FAITH, EVEN THE SALVATION OF YOUR SOULS.[10] Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
[13] Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and HOPE TO THE END FOR THE GRACE THAT IS TO BE BROUGHT UNTO YOU AT THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST;
[23] BEING BORN AGAIN, NOT OF CORRUPTIBLE SEED, BUT OF INCORRUPTIBLE, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

1COR.15
[42] So also is the resurrection of the dead. IT IS SOWN IN CORRUPTION; IT IS RAISED IN INCORRUPTION:
[43] It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
[44] It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. THERE IS A NATURAL BODY, AND THERE IS A SPIRITUAL BODY. ........
[49] And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Phil.3{21}
[50] Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; NEITHER DOTH CORRUPTION INHERIT INCORRUPTION.
[51] Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but WE SHALL ALL BE CHANGED,
[52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
[53] FOR THIS CORRUPTIBLE MUST PUT ON INCORRUPTION, and this mortal must put on immortality.

Then we can enter the kingdom
So you say we are not born again until we die?
 

LW97

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According to 1 John 5:13 we are saved now.
 

LW97

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"My son messed up, he's no longer my son" :-D "I once was saved but now I outsinned grace because Jesus was not as strong as my sins"
 

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I don't believe if we are born again and then stop following God by sinning, committing sexual sins, committing murder, etc, [without ever repenting] that we are still saved!!
I go with what Jesus said about this issue.

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John 10 NIV
24 The Jews who were there gathered around him, saying, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Messiah, tell us plainly.”
25 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”
31 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”

John 10 AMPC
24 So the Jews surrounded Him and began asking Him, How long are You going to keep us in doubt and suspense? If You are really the Christ (the Messiah), tell us so plainly and openly.
25 Jesus answered them, I have told you so, yet you do not believe Me [you do not trust Me and rely on Me]. The very works that I do by the power of My Father and in My Father’s name bear witness concerning Me [they are My credentials and evidence in support of Me].
26 But you do not believe and trust and rely on Me because you do not belong to My fold [you are no sheep of Mine].
27 The sheep that are My own hear and are listening to My voice; and I know them, and they follow Me.
28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never lose it or perish throughout the ages. [To all eternity they shall never by any means be destroyed.] And no one is able to snatch them out of My hand.
29 My Father, Who has given them to Me, is greater and mightier than all [else]; and no one is able to snatch [them] out of the Father’s hand.
30 I and the Father are One.

31 Again the Jews brought up stones to stone Him.
32 Jesus said to them, My Father has enabled Me to do many good deeds. [I have shown many acts of mercy in your presence.] For which of these do you mean to stone Me?