A day in earth

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Gen 1:31 "... evening and the morning were the sixth day". Is this word relative to a particular location on the earth? If yes then, it is still fifth day on the other side of the earth.
 

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The whole universe was created through the heart of a man. When it is said 'evening and morning, the 6th day', it is only with respect to man and how a man would perceive it. All reality is in the heart of a man- the reason God judges men.
 

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Gen 1:31 "... evening and the morning were the sixth day". Is this word relative to a particular location on the earth? If yes then, it is still fifth day on the other side of the earth.
I see these days as being God days not earth days..

Note how the first day is revealed::

Genesis 1: KJV
3 "And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. {4} And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. {5} And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day."

Now later in the Genesis account the Bible reveals the creation of the first world day::

Genesis 1: KJV
15 "And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. {16} And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. {17} And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, {18} And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. {19} And the evening and the morning were the fourth day."

So we see that the first world day did not come into existence until the fourth day of creation.. Thus the days of creation cannot be 24 hour world day periods.. But another Day Period.. God Days..

And we know from Scripture::

2 Peter 3: KJV
" {8} But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."
 

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Gen 1:31 "... evening and the morning were the sixth day". Is this word relative to a particular location on the earth? If yes then, it is still fifth day on the other side of the earth.
This is true each and everyday. It was obviously the completion of the sixth day from where God pronounced it complete. Depending on the location of the specific time zones it could very well be the previous day 1 inch away from the current day. Of course, at this short distance in relation to the earth's rotation the next day would come less than 1 second later. The effect is called "Back to the Future".
 

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#6
generally if an otherwise unreferenced phenomenon in scripture is dependent in some way on a specific geographic location, Jerusalem is an excellent 'guess'
 

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Gen 1:31 "... evening and the morning were the sixth day". Is this word relative to a particular location on the earth? If yes then, it is still fifth day on the other side of the earth.
Yes in nz we are a day ahead of those on the other side of the earth.
I dont believe the earth was flat when God made it but who really knows. What we do know is the continents etc would have been different and the plants and animals did spread out to cover the face of the earth as did man, at first there were only two (adam and eve) so there was actually nobody living on the other side!

But you know greenwich mean time is completely arbitrary its because the British wanted it to be the centre of the world and now its standardised all around.
but in Gods eyes that first place eden and its final place is Jerusalem.
 

posthuman

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I see these days as being God days not earth days..

Note how the first day is revealed::

Genesis 1: KJV
3 "And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. {4} And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. {5} And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day."

Now later in the Genesis account the Bible reveals the creation of the first world day::

Genesis 1: KJV
15 "And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. {16} And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. {17} And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, {18} And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. {19} And the evening and the morning were the fourth day."

So we see that the first world day did not come into existence until the fourth day of creation.. Thus the days of creation cannot be 24 hour world day periods.. But another Day Period.. God Days..

And we know from Scripture::

2 Peter 3: KJV
" {8} But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."
Yes

To comprehend this properly we need to know exactly what God means by morning and what God means by evening and what God means by darkness and what God means by light. We should not assume His thoughts are like our thoughts or that time - a created thing itself - means to Him what it means to us. Genesis tells us explicitly that He called something other than a human-measured-12-earth-hour-period 'day' - - 'darkness' isn't a time measurement. So what do we know from that?
 

Dino246

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The whole universe was created through the heart of a man. When it is said 'evening and morning, the 6th day', it is only with respect to man and how a man would perceive it. All reality is in the heart of a man- the reason God judges men.
Your objective reality is different from my objective reality.
 

Dino246

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More proof that the Earth is flat.
Now that is funny!

For all your boasting about your intelligence, you seem to have a limited understanding of "proof"... and of flat earth theories.
 

Dino246

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I see these days as being God days not earth days..

Note how the first day is revealed::

Genesis 1: KJV
3 "And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. {4} And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. {5} And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day."

Now later in the Genesis account the Bible reveals the creation of the first world day::

Genesis 1: KJV
15 "And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. {16} And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. {17} And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, {18} And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. {19} And the evening and the morning were the fourth day."

So we see that the first world day did not come into existence until the fourth day of creation.. Thus the days of creation cannot be 24 hour world day periods.. But another Day Period.. God Days..

And we know from Scripture::

2 Peter 3: KJV
" {8} But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."
The quote from 2 Peter is ripped from its context and is not a sufficient explanation. Given that it is explained both ways, we can't take that as any kind of evidence that "God's days" are different than ours.

In fact there is nothing in Scripture to indicate that "God's days" are any different than human days. The amount of time indicated for the passage of the first three days is not different than that of the later days. It's just that our standard methods for marking days were not created until day 4. Nothing prohibits days 1 to 3 from being the same length of time, and nothing suggests that their length was different.
 

Noose

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Your objective reality is different from my objective reality.
And that's where the problem is, there should be one truth. If your reality differs from mine which differs from what God put in men before the foundations of the world- then this is what is called sin.
This is the mystery that bible talks about - the heart of a man, God created it before anything else and so any other thing (reality) that is created is actualized within the heart of a man. The pure heart of a man (as was created) is what is referred to as deep waters. If a man looses that like Adam did, then they have forgotten God because God is this truth and is this reality.
 

Dino246

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And that's where the problem is, there should be one truth. If your reality differs from mine which differs from what God put in men before the foundations of the world- then this is what is called sin.
There is one truth. However, there is incomplete understanding and different perspectives. A different perspective is not "sin" though.

This is the mystery that bible talks about - the heart of a man, God created it before anything else and so any other thing (reality) that is created is actualized within the heart of a man. The pure heart of a man (as was created) is what is referred to as deep waters. If a man looses that like Adam did, then they have forgotten God because God is this truth and is this reality.
Which "bible" are you reading? It sounds more like pop psychology.
 

Noose

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There is one truth. However, there is incomplete understanding and different perspectives. A different perspective is not "sin" though.

Which "bible" are you reading? It sounds more like pop psychology.
Truth has only one perspective and that's why it is truth, and truth is God. A different perspective is what is referred to as sin, it is what causes the whole creation to succumb to decay (2nd law of thermodynamics).

First let me try to show from the scripture how God created the universe through the heart (mind) of a man and how man makes everything decay because he created his own perspective (reality) which became falsehood rather than the truth that God implanted in him.

It has been described that God created from water :
2 Pet 3:5But they deliberately overlook the fact that long ago by God’s word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water,6through which the world of that time perished in the flood.

And we see in Gen 1 that before anything, only darkness was covering the surface of the deep and the spirit of God over the waters.

We see the heart of man being described as deep waters:

Prov 20:5The intentions of a man’s heart are deep waters, but a man of understanding draws them out.

Proverbs 18:4The words of a man's mouth are deep waters; the fountain of wisdom is a bubbling brook.

Psalm 24:1 A Psalm of David. The earth is the LORD’s, and the fullness thereof, the world and all who dwell therein. 2For He has founded it upon the seas and established it upon the waters.

A superficial look would cheat a man that God created everything from H2O but that's not the case. The spirit (mind) of man was part of God initially:

Ecc 3:11He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the hearts of men, yet they cannot fathom the work God has done from beginning to end.

So reality is only actualized in the heart of a man and everything exist with the perspective of a man. There's one proof that God created through the heart of a man; God created but never created evil, evil was found in the heart of a man.

So when God says day 1 and day 2 and 3 and 1 week, it is all as per what the spirit of a man would perceive when it was blown into the clay structure. And for this reason, Genesis 2 starts the creation story from another angle:

Gen 2:
4This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made them.

5Now no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth, nor had any plant of the field sprouted; for the LORD God had not yet sent rain upon the earth, and there was no man to cultivate the ground. 6But springsa welled up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground.

This is a poetic way of describing the heart of a man, it is the garden of Eden where satan was found (not created).
 

Dino246

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Truth has only one perspective and that's why it is truth, and truth is God. A different perspective is what is referred to as sin, it is what causes the whole creation to succumb to decay (2nd law of thermodynamics).
Truth doesn't have any perspective; that's because truth is not an observer. Only an observer has a perspective.

"Truth is God" is false. "2 + 2 = 4" is truth, but it isn't God.

Nowhere in Scripture is "a different perspective" referred to as "sin".

First let me try to show from the scripture how God created the universe through the heart (mind) of a man and how man makes everything decay because he created his own perspective (reality) which became falsehood rather than the truth that God implanted in him.

It has been described that God created from water :
2 Pet 3:5But they deliberately overlook the fact that long ago by God’s word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water,6through which the world of that time perished in the flood.

And we see in Gen 1 that before anything, only darkness was covering the surface of the deep and the spirit of God over the waters.

We see the heart of man being described as deep waters:

Prov 20:5The intentions of a man’s heart are deep waters, but a man of understanding draws them out.

Proverbs 18:4The words of a man's mouth are deep waters; the fountain of wisdom is a bubbling brook.

Psalm 24:1 A Psalm of David. The earth is the LORD’s, and the fullness thereof, the world and all who dwell therein. 2For He has founded it upon the seas and established it upon the waters.

A superficial look would cheat a man that God created everything from H2O but that's not the case. The spirit (mind) of man was part of God initially:

Ecc 3:11He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the hearts of men, yet they cannot fathom the work God has done from beginning to end.

So reality is only actualized in the heart of a man and everything exist with the perspective of a man. There's one proof that God created through the heart of a man; God created but never created evil, evil was found in the heart of a man.

So when God says day 1 and day 2 and 3 and 1 week, it is all as per what the spirit of a man would perceive when it was blown into the clay structure. And for this reason, Genesis 2 starts the creation story from another angle:

Gen 2:
4This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made them.

5Now no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth, nor had any plant of the field sprouted; for the LORD God had not yet sent rain upon the earth, and there was no man to cultivate the ground. 6But springsa welled up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground.

This is a poetic way of describing the heart of a man, it is the garden of Eden where satan was found (not created).
Streeeeeetch... (pop)...

You're taking poetic passages as literal, and literal passages as poetic, and mixing up parts of Scripture that are not talking about the same events.

John 1:3 says that Jesus created everything.
 

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Now that is funny!

For all your boasting about your intelligence, you seem to have a limited understanding of "proof"... and of flat earth theories.
Maybe you just have a limited understanding of my jokes--even though you laughed at this one.

And I don't believe I have "boasted" about my intelligence, though I have provided my credentials when they have been questioned.
 
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A few lines of thought....an evening and morning can be any length of time and still be an evening and a morning....

God has the ability to stop, slow, back up, speed up the rotation of the earth at will.....Examples Joshua, Isaiah, 2nd Kings

Look at all that took place on the 6th day BEFORE EVE was even formed.....

I have no problem viewing the 6 days as defined by EVENINGS AND MORNINGS AS BEING longer than the way we view and see days as 24 hour time cycles .....

Whether 1 minute or 1,000,000 years....a evening and a morning can still be one day....

One day on Venus is 243 earth days!!
 

Noose

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Truth doesn't have any perspective; that's because truth is not an observer. Only an observer has a perspective.

"Truth is God" is false. "2 + 2 = 4" is truth, but it isn't God.

Nowhere in Scripture is "a different perspective" referred to as "sin".


Streeeeeetch... (pop)...

You're taking poetic passages as literal, and literal passages as poetic, and mixing up parts of Scripture that are not talking about the same events.

John 1:3 says that Jesus created everything.
2 + 2 = 4 is not truth, it is a humanly mathematical expression that follows some humanly created laws. Truth is a state of mind, 2+2 is not a state of mind. A state of mind can either be good (God) or evil (satan) therefore sin or righteousness. If men decided today to change their own laws so that 2+2=5, it won't make them evil or good because it has nothing to do with the condition of their heart/mind.


John 1:3 says Jesus created everything, but how?

Pro 8:
22The LORD possessed mec at the beginning of His work,d
before His deeds of old.
23From everlasting I was established,
from the beginning, before the earth began.
24When there were no watery depths, I was brought forth,
when no springs were overflowing with water.
25Before the mountains were settled,
before the hills, I was brought forth,
26before He made the land or fields,
or any of the dust of the earth.
27I was there when He established the heavens,
when He inscribed the horizon on the face of the deep,
28when He established the clouds above,
when the fountains of the deep gushed forth,
29when He set a boundary for the sea,
so that the waters would not surpass His command,
when He marked out the foundations of the earth.
30Then I was a skilled craftsman at His side,
and His delighte day by day,
rejoicing always in His presence.
31I was rejoicing in His whole world,
delighting together in the sons of men
.
 

posthuman

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If men decided today to change their own laws so that 2+2=5 . . .
you have two marbles ..

i give you two more ..

do you think you can make up your own law ((your own state of mind)) so that you have 5 marbles now?