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Im glad that I know John 3:16 which said believes and not "and you need to do this and this and this and this" to have eternal life.
I never said that sin was justified, I said it was forgiven. I always believe that sin brings death and destruction. I'm not a hypocrite, I'm a Christian who loves Christ with all my heart and believes that I dont have to become God to be like Him and accepted into heaven. That doesn't mean that I dont try to, but its not by my ability that I get to heaven it's by God's loving grace when I accepted Him into my heart. It says so in John 3:16.
If you dont agree with that then you have no need for the cross or Jesus. Anyone in the OT could have tried to be "so good" and gotten to heaven for it by your logic. Why do we need Jesus if we're just supposed to be good? That makes no sense. Jesus has no purpose except for appearances and a really bloody movie by Mel Gibson.
I'm so done with this, I can't throw my pearls at you anymore.
I never said that sin was justified, I said it was forgiven. I always believe that sin brings death and destruction. I'm not a hypocrite, I'm a Christian who loves Christ with all my heart and believes that I dont have to become God to be like Him and accepted into heaven. That doesn't mean that I dont try to, but its not by my ability that I get to heaven it's by God's loving grace when I accepted Him into my heart. It says so in John 3:16.
If you dont agree with that then you have no need for the cross or Jesus. Anyone in the OT could have tried to be "so good" and gotten to heaven for it by your logic. Why do we need Jesus if we're just supposed to be good? That makes no sense. Jesus has no purpose except for appearances and a really bloody movie by Mel Gibson.
I'm so done with this, I can't throw my pearls at you anymore.
oh well here goes.
i believed i was saved. i had confessed jesus as lord, and in believed that god had raised him from the dead.
things went along okay for a while, and then the church we belonged to became a cult. no kidding, a real cult, into ultra legalism and all sorts of strange things. we left, and looked for some other church home. in the meantime, i fell into sin, sin that was my life. well, i knew that what i was doing was wrong, was a sin, but i did not know how to stop. and i still held on to my faith, that because i believed the "sinners prayer" that i was saved.
it all came to a head one night, while i was reading a book about history from the point of view of the angels. i got to the part where jesus went to the cross, and god opened my eyes in a vision. he showed me my live as he saw it. he told me that this life could not come into his kingdom. i knew that he was right, just from seeing his holiness. he took my life which was so awful and put it into jesus on the cross, and told me that he would keep it there.
this is where i learned that the only cure for sin is the punishment for sin, namely, death in jesus on the cross. if we have not died to sin, then we are still under sins power, even if we do not sin. i don't think i have time to explain this, so let's see how this does.
i believed i was saved. i had confessed jesus as lord, and in believed that god had raised him from the dead.
things went along okay for a while, and then the church we belonged to became a cult. no kidding, a real cult, into ultra legalism and all sorts of strange things. we left, and looked for some other church home. in the meantime, i fell into sin, sin that was my life. well, i knew that what i was doing was wrong, was a sin, but i did not know how to stop. and i still held on to my faith, that because i believed the "sinners prayer" that i was saved.
it all came to a head one night, while i was reading a book about history from the point of view of the angels. i got to the part where jesus went to the cross, and god opened my eyes in a vision. he showed me my live as he saw it. he told me that this life could not come into his kingdom. i knew that he was right, just from seeing his holiness. he took my life which was so awful and put it into jesus on the cross, and told me that he would keep it there.
this is where i learned that the only cure for sin is the punishment for sin, namely, death in jesus on the cross. if we have not died to sin, then we are still under sins power, even if we do not sin. i don't think i have time to explain this, so let's see how this does.
That's the problem you probably only know John 3:16. 
. What does it mean to believe? What does it mean to trust? If you are truly trusting Christ, you aren't sleeping with your neighbours spouse. If anyone is sleeping with someone else outside of marriage they are not righteous.
I've never said it's our ability. Obedience comes by our willingness to trust Him and offer ourselves (note offer ourselves) as living sacrifices. He does the rest. But let's not misunderstand that Christianity is like falling down a water slide where heaven is at the bottom. There is some effort and decisions to be made on our part. I don't think you're throwing pearls at me, how about familiar doctrinal opinions?
Would you know that there's more to christianity than just getting saved? I guess that's all you might care about, getting to heaven. There is a thing called love for God, and obedience and trust is a symptom of that. Maybe you would love God enough not to disobey Him. Or maybe you're just interested in getting to heaven. Maybe if you care to look beyond John 3:16, we see some good instructions to be obedient children. It also says we should be like Him.
1Pe 1:13 Therefore girding up the loins of your mind, being sober, perfectly hope for the grace being brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ,
1Pe 1:14 as obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance,
1Pe 1:15 but according to the Holy One who has called you, you also become holy in all conduct,
1Pe 1:16 because it is written, "Be holy, for I am holy."
What happens to disobedient children? In any good family they get punished.
I'm glad I know Eph 5:6, because it says :
Eph 5:5 For you know this, that no fornicator, or unclean person, or covetous one (who is an idolater), has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the children of disobedience.
Again another area of deception is the belief that these unrighteous activities will still lead to righteousness. The scripture says opposite .Paul says it leads to death, here it says it leads to God's wrath. Note they are still children, but disobedient. I feel that the disobedient children would like to steal the icecream from the refrigerator and think they still get to play outside.
. What does it mean to believe? What does it mean to trust? If you are truly trusting Christ, you aren't sleeping with your neighbours spouse. If anyone is sleeping with someone else outside of marriage they are not righteous. I've never said it's our ability. Obedience comes by our willingness to trust Him and offer ourselves (note offer ourselves) as living sacrifices. He does the rest. But let's not misunderstand that Christianity is like falling down a water slide where heaven is at the bottom. There is some effort and decisions to be made on our part. I don't think you're throwing pearls at me, how about familiar doctrinal opinions?
Would you know that there's more to christianity than just getting saved? I guess that's all you might care about, getting to heaven. There is a thing called love for God, and obedience and trust is a symptom of that. Maybe you would love God enough not to disobey Him. Or maybe you're just interested in getting to heaven. Maybe if you care to look beyond John 3:16, we see some good instructions to be obedient children. It also says we should be like Him.
1Pe 1:13 Therefore girding up the loins of your mind, being sober, perfectly hope for the grace being brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ,
1Pe 1:14 as obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance,
1Pe 1:15 but according to the Holy One who has called you, you also become holy in all conduct,
1Pe 1:16 because it is written, "Be holy, for I am holy."
What happens to disobedient children? In any good family they get punished.
I'm glad I know Eph 5:6, because it says :
Eph 5:5 For you know this, that no fornicator, or unclean person, or covetous one (who is an idolater), has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the children of disobedience.
Again another area of deception is the belief that these unrighteous activities will still lead to righteousness. The scripture says opposite .Paul says it leads to death, here it says it leads to God's wrath. Note they are still children, but disobedient. I feel that the disobedient children would like to steal the icecream from the refrigerator and think they still get to play outside.
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That's the problem you probably only know John 3:16. . What does it mean to believe? What does it mean to trust? If you are truly trusting Christ, you aren't sleeping with your neighbours spouse. If anyone is sleeping with someone else outside of marriage they are not righteous.
I've never said it's our ability. Obedience comes by our willingness to trust Him and offer ourselves (note offer ourselves) as living sacrifices. He does the rest. But let's not misunderstand that Christianity is like falling down a water slide where heaven is at the bottom. There is some effort and decisions to be made on our part. I don't think you're throwing pearls at me, how about familiar doctrinal opinions?
Would you know that there's more to christianity than just getting saved? I guess that's all you might care about, getting to heaven. There is a thing called love for God, and obedience and trust is a symptom of that. Maybe you would love God enough not to disobey Him. Or maybe you're just interested in getting to heaven. Maybe if you care to look beyond John 3:16, we see some good instructions to be obedient children. It also says we should be like Him.
1Pe 1:13 Therefore girding up the loins of your mind, being sober, perfectly hope for the grace being brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ,
1Pe 1:14 as obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance,
1Pe 1:15 but according to the Holy One who has called you, you also become holy in all conduct,
1Pe 1:16 because it is written, "Be holy, for I am holy."
What happens to disobedient children? In any good family they get punished.
I'm glad I know Eph 5:6, because it says :
Eph 5:5 For you know this, that no fornicator, or unclean person, or covetous one (who is an idolater), has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the children of disobedience.
Again another area of deception is the belief that these unrighteous activities will still lead to righteousness. The scripture says opposite .Paul says it leads to death, here it says it leads to God's wrath. Note they are still children, but disobedient. I feel that the disobedient children would like to steal the icecream from the refrigerator and think they still get to play outside.
. What does it mean to believe? What does it mean to trust? If you are truly trusting Christ, you aren't sleeping with your neighbours spouse. If anyone is sleeping with someone else outside of marriage they are not righteous. I've never said it's our ability. Obedience comes by our willingness to trust Him and offer ourselves (note offer ourselves) as living sacrifices. He does the rest. But let's not misunderstand that Christianity is like falling down a water slide where heaven is at the bottom. There is some effort and decisions to be made on our part. I don't think you're throwing pearls at me, how about familiar doctrinal opinions?
Would you know that there's more to christianity than just getting saved? I guess that's all you might care about, getting to heaven. There is a thing called love for God, and obedience and trust is a symptom of that. Maybe you would love God enough not to disobey Him. Or maybe you're just interested in getting to heaven. Maybe if you care to look beyond John 3:16, we see some good instructions to be obedient children. It also says we should be like Him.
1Pe 1:13 Therefore girding up the loins of your mind, being sober, perfectly hope for the grace being brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ,
1Pe 1:14 as obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance,
1Pe 1:15 but according to the Holy One who has called you, you also become holy in all conduct,
1Pe 1:16 because it is written, "Be holy, for I am holy."
What happens to disobedient children? In any good family they get punished.
I'm glad I know Eph 5:6, because it says :
Eph 5:5 For you know this, that no fornicator, or unclean person, or covetous one (who is an idolater), has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the children of disobedience.
Again another area of deception is the belief that these unrighteous activities will still lead to righteousness. The scripture says opposite .Paul says it leads to death, here it says it leads to God's wrath. Note they are still children, but disobedient. I feel that the disobedient children would like to steal the icecream from the refrigerator and think they still get to play outside.
You should be ashamed of making such accusations about my Christian walk and parading yourself like a disciple of Christ. I know much more than John 3:16. I know Luke 10:25-28.
How do you feel when you run someone to the ground and belittle them? I just want to understand what part of you feels Godly when you try to deliberatly hurt someone because they dont agree with you. Or do you feel justified by your ungodly attitude when you quote scripture?
Debate me, not my walk with Christ. I asked you questions based on your arguments and not by calling you names. Be a man and not a child. Rediculous.
while we do not differentiate between sins we know that some sins show a lack of grace, grace being jesus in us. some may be caught in these sins and yet still find grace. others will be found in these sins, and never find grace. because one commits adultery does not mean that they are not one of his, but if one lives for adultery, you can bet that they are not his. but, what dread is saying is also true. we all have sin in us, and we all fall short of him. this is a fact. we cannot even know our sin, the level of our sinfulness, unless god shows us. without having his righteousness, how can we judge our own unrighteousness? and seeing this, how can we judge others unrighteousness? these sins in eph. are ones such that we can know not to associate with those who practice them.
god can save us from anything except denying the conviction of the spirit about our need and the supply in jesus christ, our salvation.
the obedience that is in christ is also found in 1st john. that we believe in him whom god has sent, and jesus' command that we love one another even as he loves us. and the power of these commandments is found only in the holy spirit.
god can save us from anything except denying the conviction of the spirit about our need and the supply in jesus christ, our salvation.
the obedience that is in christ is also found in 1st john. that we believe in him whom god has sent, and jesus' command that we love one another even as he loves us. and the power of these commandments is found only in the holy spirit.
What about verse 27:
Luk 10:27 And answering, he said, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself.
If you are living in sin you aren't loving God with all your heart..etc.
Which "ungodly attitude" was this, other than to disagree with you? If you feel belittled that's your own choice to believe like that, not mine. Maybe others would call it conviction.
Did I call you any names? Oh here's where you debated my walk with Christ I suppose:
"Fact is I'm learning that you have no need for the cross and Jesus. "
Yes it's something I'm used to. If you don't agree that we should be trusting and obedient to get to heaven, then by all means call it "works based".
The alternative is to believe we can get to heaven by being disobedient. Would you care to argue that point of view?
It doesn't still change the fact that I have found two verses that address and counter your particular deceptions. Eph 5:5-6 and the ones in 1 John.
Luk 10:27 And answering, he said, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself.
If you are living in sin you aren't loving God with all your heart..etc.
Which "ungodly attitude" was this, other than to disagree with you? If you feel belittled that's your own choice to believe like that, not mine. Maybe others would call it conviction.
Did I call you any names? Oh here's where you debated my walk with Christ I suppose:
"Fact is I'm learning that you have no need for the cross and Jesus. "
Yes it's something I'm used to. If you don't agree that we should be trusting and obedient to get to heaven, then by all means call it "works based".
The alternative is to believe we can get to heaven by being disobedient. Would you care to argue that point of view?
It doesn't still change the fact that I have found two verses that address and counter your particular deceptions. Eph 5:5-6 and the ones in 1 John.
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Time for some old timer protestant bible scholars on 1 Cor 9:
Gill commentary on the bible:
Be not deceived imagining, that through your knowledge and profession you shall be saved, live as you will:
PNT:
Be not deceived. Let no one make the mistake of thinking that any unrighteous man shall be an heir.
Wesley:
1Co 6:9 Idolatry is here placed between fornication and adultery, because they generally accompanied it. Nor the effeminate - Who live in an easy, indolent way; taking up no cross, enduring no hardship. But how is this? These good - natured, harmless people are ranked with idolaters and sodomites! We may learn hence, that we are never secure from the greatest sins, till we guard against those which are thought the least; nor, indeed, till we think no sin is little, since every one is a step toward hell.
Henry:
1Co 6:9-11
The Corinthians are warned against many great evils, of which they had formerly been guilty. There is much force in these inquiries, when we consider that they were addressed to a people puffed up with a fancy of their being above others in wisdom and knowledge. All unrighteousness is sin; all reigning sin, nay, every actual sin, committed with design, and not repented of, shuts out of the kingdom of heaven. Be not deceived. Men are very much inclined to flatter themselves that they may live in sin, yet die in Christ, and go to heaven. But we cannot hope to sow to the flesh, and reap everlasting life. They are reminded what a change the gospel and grace of God had made in them. The blood of Christ, and the washing of regeneration, can take away all guilt. Our justification is owing to the suffering and merit of Christ; our sanctification to the working of the Holy Spirit; but both go together. All who are made righteous in the sight of God, are made holy by the grace of God.
The opinions of these bible scholars and knowledgable theologians is that these verses applied to the believer as much as the unbeliever. Of course these men believed in a doctrine of works these old time baptist and prestbyerian men of God . *roll eyes here*
Gill commentary on the bible:
Be not deceived imagining, that through your knowledge and profession you shall be saved, live as you will:
PNT:
Be not deceived. Let no one make the mistake of thinking that any unrighteous man shall be an heir.
Wesley:
1Co 6:9 Idolatry is here placed between fornication and adultery, because they generally accompanied it. Nor the effeminate - Who live in an easy, indolent way; taking up no cross, enduring no hardship. But how is this? These good - natured, harmless people are ranked with idolaters and sodomites! We may learn hence, that we are never secure from the greatest sins, till we guard against those which are thought the least; nor, indeed, till we think no sin is little, since every one is a step toward hell.
Henry:
1Co 6:9-11
The Corinthians are warned against many great evils, of which they had formerly been guilty. There is much force in these inquiries, when we consider that they were addressed to a people puffed up with a fancy of their being above others in wisdom and knowledge. All unrighteousness is sin; all reigning sin, nay, every actual sin, committed with design, and not repented of, shuts out of the kingdom of heaven. Be not deceived. Men are very much inclined to flatter themselves that they may live in sin, yet die in Christ, and go to heaven. But we cannot hope to sow to the flesh, and reap everlasting life. They are reminded what a change the gospel and grace of God had made in them. The blood of Christ, and the washing of regeneration, can take away all guilt. Our justification is owing to the suffering and merit of Christ; our sanctification to the working of the Holy Spirit; but both go together. All who are made righteous in the sight of God, are made holy by the grace of God.
The opinions of these bible scholars and knowledgable theologians is that these verses applied to the believer as much as the unbeliever. Of course these men believed in a doctrine of works these old time baptist and prestbyerian men of God . *roll eyes here*