A sad truth.
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Strong's is a concordance listing usage in KJV.
anywhere the KJV is not accurate, Strong's generally parrots that inaccuracy.
is that not so?
but it's often cited by people as though it's more than what it really is. it is not a dictionary/lexicon.
anyhow my comment wasn't just an 'attack on Strong's' -- i've been told several times by people with training in the languages that biblehub's Greek/Hebrew analysis pages are sometimes misleading or inaccurate. i don't have that kind of education, so i can't evaluate their statements or further explain them. just saying i've been advised to take a grain of salt with me when i go there a-studying.
anywhere the KJV is not accurate, Strong's generally parrots that inaccuracy.
is that not so?
but it's often cited by people as though it's more than what it really is. it is not a dictionary/lexicon.
anyhow my comment wasn't just an 'attack on Strong's' -- i've been told several times by people with training in the languages that biblehub's Greek/Hebrew analysis pages are sometimes misleading or inaccurate. i don't have that kind of education, so i can't evaluate their statements or further explain them. just saying i've been advised to take a grain of salt with me when i go there a-studying.
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That's what's so amazing about the Holy Spirit. If we need wisdom, just ask God and He gives it via His Spirit within us. He’s faithful to do it. And when God gives clarity on a matter (the Truth), it's established in your heart and nobody or nothing can take it away from you.
How do you suppose the disciples and every other early follower of Christ got spiritual understanding? They didn’t have the luxury of carrying around study bibles, concordances, or other resources. They were 100% dependent on the Spirit of Christ Jesus.
Need God’s wisdom on a matter? Ask, and it will be given, our Father says. Talk with God.
How do you suppose the disciples and every other early follower of Christ got spiritual understanding? They didn’t have the luxury of carrying around study bibles, concordances, or other resources. They were 100% dependent on the Spirit of Christ Jesus.
Need God’s wisdom on a matter? Ask, and it will be given, our Father says. Talk with God.
I think you make a lot of sense.. but if a book of prophecy is the fruit of the prophet... we need to be willing to weight the fruit.. and reject the bad fruit.. which may have simply spoiled at the hand of man.
The bigger danger is is in accepting falsehoods as truth and rejecting even a little bit of truth... because if we reject any truth we reject a bit of Jesus.
The bigger danger is is in accepting falsehoods as truth and rejecting even a little bit of truth... because if we reject any truth we reject a bit of Jesus.
First off your primes is off . A copyright on translations from one language to another do not do not need to have any differences, as long as the publisher can demonstrate they did the work . Their are huge differences between copyright laws for general written works and a translations . Publishers of normal books have been penalized for copyright violations that only plagiarized a few lines . So lines like In the beginning, or Jesus wept . Is enough to get everyone hauled into court. That’s not happening. So they aren’t changing things for copyright issues. If you have ever talked to a person that is well versed in the original languages you will hear questions like why did they use that word in that translation. Men and women of God work hard to translate scripture not to water things down but to give what they believe is correct.
Also concerning the Message well if you have one it dose make a good doorstop .
Blessings
Bill
Also concerning the Message well if you have one it dose make a good doorstop .
Blessings
Bill
I would never trust in my eternal salvation to the word of strongs...
People who do place strongs as an authority over the Holy Bible have made strongs the judge of the Word of God.. They have made the men who produced strongs higher then the Apostles in authority..
In the end the people who judge the Word by their ""gospel of stongs"" will find out that the truth of the matter on the day of judgement..
People who do place strongs as an authority over the Holy Bible have made strongs the judge of the Word of God.. They have made the men who produced strongs higher then the Apostles in authority..
In the end the people who judge the Word by their ""gospel of stongs"" will find out that the truth of the matter on the day of judgement..
It really doesn't matter what Bible one reads since the book is sealed until the __________________ is given until them and will teach them all things. Otherwise it says whatever the reader wants it to say, which I wonder what the scripture in Isaiah 29, verse 11 means to those who are learned:
And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.
But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;2 Tim 3:14
And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.
But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;2 Tim 3:14
Before scientists discovered it, Isaiah and Jeremiah knew about such things as the water cycle and that the earth is a circle which hangs upon nothing. The Holy Spirit can guide ones' conscience and thoughts. So someone searching for the truth with all their heart and an unbiased conscience, can discover a sense of truth if they ask seek and knock for it through prayer. Even for those who do not have a bible at all, their conscience serves as a law unto themselves. GOD does have a backup plan. But if you dépend on it instead of studying when and if you can, then your heart is not really searching for truth. (God is truth- so your heart does not seek God). I feel it in my soul when I read something that is scripture or not scripture.
I requested evidence for Jason1975's assertion that "over time... this leads to a more watered down version of what God intended."
You have made similar assertions in the past, and you haven't provided evidence for them either. Further, unless there is an objective standard to which newer and older versions are compared, changes cannot be qualified as good or bad, truthful or erroneous.
Please go and read James White's The King James Only Controversy (2nd edn.).
You have made similar assertions in the past, and you haven't provided evidence for them either. Further, unless there is an objective standard to which newer and older versions are compared, changes cannot be qualified as good or bad, truthful or erroneous.
Please go and read James White's The King James Only Controversy (2nd edn.).
So what did Isaiah and Jeremiah say about how water originated on earth?
As far as the earth being a circle which hangs upon nothing then were they saying that God created nothing cause the celestial bodies hanging in the heaven aren't hanging upon nothing any more than fishing bobbers afloat in the waters are hanging upon nothing, we know that there is air above the water even thought we can't see it.
But rather the celestial bodies which shine in the invisible light are drifting upon the waves of the celestial seas that animate the universe like a soft summer breeze, even as the motion of air that animates the trees which dance to sound of the wind.
As far as the earth being a circle which hangs upon nothing then were they saying that God created nothing cause the celestial bodies hanging in the heaven aren't hanging upon nothing any more than fishing bobbers afloat in the waters are hanging upon nothing, we know that there is air above the water even thought we can't see it.
But rather the celestial bodies which shine in the invisible light are drifting upon the waves of the celestial seas that animate the universe like a soft summer breeze, even as the motion of air that animates the trees which dance to sound of the wind.
And that is not only sad but untrue. The people who have put Bible Hub together have done an OUTSTANDING JOB and should be commended for what they have accomplished. It is an amazing Bible study tool, which give you immediate access to any part of Scripture in almost any language. I believe they have been very conscientious, even though they have used the NASB as their standard Bible. But they have not blocked out the KJB and its updated versions. I would encourage every Christian to use it regularly.
2 Peter 1:20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation of things.
2 Peter 1:20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation of things.
Read the many translations of that single verse.
Their meanings range from "you will never be able to understand a single prophecy" to "all prophecy is not to be understand privately" to "prophecy is not from a prophets imagination."
These are all different statements/assertions... but they are all the same verse. 2Peter 1:20
2 Peter 1:20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation of things.
Read the many translations of that single verse.
Their meanings range from "you will never be able to understand a single prophecy" to "all prophecy is not to be understand privately" to "prophecy is not from a prophets imagination."
These are all different statements/assertions... but they are all the same verse. 2Peter 1:20
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New International Version
Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation of things.
New Living Translation
Above all, you must realize that no prophecy in Scripture ever came from the prophet's own understanding,
English Standard Version
knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation.
Berean Study Bible
Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture comes from the prophet's own interpretation.
Berean Literal Bible
knowing this first, that any prophecy of Scripture is not of its own interpretation.
New American Standard Bible
But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation,
King James Bible
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
Christian Standard Bible
Above all, you know this: No prophecy of Scripture comes from the prophet's own interpretation,
Contemporary English Version
But you need to realize that no one alone can understand any of the prophecies in the Scriptures.
Good News Translation
Above all else, however, remember that none of us can explain by ourselves a prophecy in the Scriptures.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
First of all, you should know this: No prophecy of Scripture comes from one's own interpretation,
International Standard Version
First of all, you must understand this: No prophecy in Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation,
NET Bible
Above all, you do well if you recognize this: No prophecy of scripture ever comes about by the prophet's own imagination,
New Heart English Bible
knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of private interpretation.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
While you first know this: No prophecy is its own exposition of the Scriptures.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
First, you must understand this: No prophecy in Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation.
New American Standard 1977
But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation,
Jubilee Bible 2000
understanding this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
King James 2000 Bible
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of one's own interpretation.
American King James Version
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
American Standard Version
knowing this first, that no prophecy of scripture is of private interpretation.
Douay-Rheims Bible
Understanding this first, that no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation.
Darby Bible Translation
knowing this first, that [the scope of] no prophecy of scripture is had from its own particular interpretation,
English Revised Version
knowing this first, that no prophecy of scripture is of private interpretation.
Webster's Bible Translation
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
Weymouth New Testament
But, above all, remember that no prophecy in Scripture will be found to have come from the prophet's own prompting;
World English Bible
knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of private interpretation.
Young's Literal Translation
this first knowing, that no prophecy of the Writing doth come of private exposition,
Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation of things.
New Living Translation
Above all, you must realize that no prophecy in Scripture ever came from the prophet's own understanding,
English Standard Version
knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation.
Berean Study Bible
Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture comes from the prophet's own interpretation.
Berean Literal Bible
knowing this first, that any prophecy of Scripture is not of its own interpretation.
New American Standard Bible
But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation,
King James Bible
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
Christian Standard Bible
Above all, you know this: No prophecy of Scripture comes from the prophet's own interpretation,
Contemporary English Version
But you need to realize that no one alone can understand any of the prophecies in the Scriptures.
Good News Translation
Above all else, however, remember that none of us can explain by ourselves a prophecy in the Scriptures.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
First of all, you should know this: No prophecy of Scripture comes from one's own interpretation,
International Standard Version
First of all, you must understand this: No prophecy in Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation,
NET Bible
Above all, you do well if you recognize this: No prophecy of scripture ever comes about by the prophet's own imagination,
New Heart English Bible
knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of private interpretation.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
While you first know this: No prophecy is its own exposition of the Scriptures.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
First, you must understand this: No prophecy in Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation.
New American Standard 1977
But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation,
Jubilee Bible 2000
understanding this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
King James 2000 Bible
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of one's own interpretation.
American King James Version
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
American Standard Version
knowing this first, that no prophecy of scripture is of private interpretation.
Douay-Rheims Bible
Understanding this first, that no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation.
Darby Bible Translation
knowing this first, that [the scope of] no prophecy of scripture is had from its own particular interpretation,
English Revised Version
knowing this first, that no prophecy of scripture is of private interpretation.
Webster's Bible Translation
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
Weymouth New Testament
But, above all, remember that no prophecy in Scripture will be found to have come from the prophet's own prompting;
World English Bible
knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of private interpretation.
Young's Literal Translation
this first knowing, that no prophecy of the Writing doth come of private exposition,
Bible > 2 Thessalonians > Chapter 2 > Verse 11
◄ 2 Thessalonians 2:11 ►
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New International Version
For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie
New Living Translation
So God will cause them to be greatly deceived, and they will believe these lies.
English Standard Version
Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false,
Berean Study Bible
For this reason, God will send them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie,
Berean Literal Bible
And because of this, God will send to them a working of delusion, for them to believe what is false,
New American Standard Bible
For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false,
King James Bible
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
Christian Standard Bible
For this reason God sends them a strong delusion so that they will believe the lie,
Contemporary English Version
So God will make sure they are fooled into believing a lie.
Good News Translation
And so God sends the power of error to work in them so that they believe what is false.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
For this reason God sends them a strong delusion so that they will believe what is false,
International Standard Version
For this reason, God will send them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie.
NET Bible
Consequently God sends on them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false.
New Heart English Bible
And because of this, God sends them a strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Because of this, God sent them the activity of delusion that they would believe lies.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
That's why God will send them a powerful delusion so that they will believe a lie.
New American Standard 1977
And for this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they might believe what is false,
Jubilee Bible 2000
Therefore, for this cause, God shall send the operation of error in them, that they should believe the lie;
King James 2000 Bible
And for this cause God shall send them a strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
American King James Version
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
American Standard Version
And for this cause God sendeth them a working of error, that they should believe a lie:
Douay-Rheims Bible
Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying:
Darby Bible Translation
And for this reason God sends to them a working of error, that they should believe what is false,
English Revised Version
And for this cause God sendeth them a working of error, that they should believe a lie:
Webster's Bible Translation
And for this cause God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
Weymouth New Testament
And for this reason God sends them a misleading influence that they may believe the lie;
World English Bible
Because of this, God sends them a working of error, that they should believe a lie;
Young's Literal Translation
and because of this shall God send to them a working of delusion, for their believing the lie,
that was 2 Thessalonians 2 : 11
I ask you... would God ever delude anyone? If A house divided against itself cannot stand, then truth will not work in favor of Lies... or through lies. If we believe these verses, then we misunderstand God.
All of these verses say God works with lies.
The watering down is complete.
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