A Saint's Guide to Sinning Less

[eternally-gratefull]

the whole issue of the sin of Elijah is I said I thought he was hiding in sin,, And Peter called me out on it.. And said that is the same as him saying that the 7000 were hidden by God so they would not be killed.

Elijah lost faith in God,, That's why he said, Kill me, I am no better than my fathers (because the nation did not repent) He was thinking of self NOT GOD,

That's why God responded the way he did, The nation will not die, I have 7000 mean who have not left me and turned to baal worship.

 

[Grace777x70]

I'm so confused I don't even know what we're talking about any more...sheesh...

I thought it was the "dreaded" Jezebel -like wife and maybe the "fear" of having her for a mother-in-law too?...

 

[PeterJens]

When he stops his nonsense I will.. Tell him to stop lying about other peoples beliefs so mercilessly..Then tell him to stop denying he is doing somethign EVERYONE knows and sees he is doing.

He hates anyone who tries to continually expose what he is doing..

That's not my fault.. I confront him out of love as God told us we should do.. You do not let a brother continue in sin,

As hate is not involved, nor do I mind people disagreeing with me, or even saying I am the worst person in the world.
I do though need to agree with something to say I agree, or say, good point, you are right.

I think as the 7,000 illustrates, certain dogmatic jump on this idea, it is the only idea being put on, boom, you are wrong etc.
You have to be a lot more careful. I know your job does not involve listening to people and one word could mean something else entirely, and you have to construct lots of possibilities and review every model and finally come up with one that works.

That is what I do for a living. Now I summarise too much and get lazy, but that is part of discussion.
What demonstrates how dogmatic is how far you escalate or just wait. I wait a very long time.

I really do not care about your ideas about lying or slander. Offence, people take it all the time about everything.
No after seeing you here on this, not surprised you go off on tangents over something 100% neutral, and even use it to say, I am a legalist avoiding sin.

You are a nutcase looking for an excuse with a mouth that shoots off at every opportunity you spot.
But as I said I have zero confidence in you and your judgements. Maybe you could learn, but with your background...

 

[PeterJens]

Let us look where this came from. I said God keeps secrets. I was challenged on this.

How is it something that is 100% true, turns into this. Because someone is looking for a fight.
I keep secrets, so does everyone on the planet. It is part of life.

The biggest secret is when the last days occur. Even Jesus did not know when this was.
Now if your heart is against someone, the merest wiff of a problem you jump on it.

A parable here, how sensitive to your heart and emotions are you? Do hurts come but you
do not notice until the knives are already out and you are fighting?

I do suffer like everyone on this. So I need to ask how I feel.
So on EG, I am just puzzled, and more so now that before. Still I need to repent, and see
the truth, of total free gift and future sin forgiven. I suppose this is how EG lives, with this
forever in his thinking. Or else all the sin that piles up will just rot him to hell. I mean no
need to repent to God, just agree ( not sure what ) and it is all ok. Sounds not biblical
but somehow I am meant to agree with this undefined process and know my sin is dealt with.

I can really see unbelievers convinced this amorphous gospel makes sense and christians
for centuries have testified to it in this way or even today. But oddly I read time and again,
God convicted me of sin, I repented, confessed it and got right with God. So it does not work.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

As hate is not involved, nor do I mind people disagreeing with me, or even saying I am the worst person in the world.
I do though need to agree with something to say I agree, or say, good point, you are right.

No one is demanding you agree with anyone Peter. You have been shown this over and over

But when you claim someone believes something they do not believe, And you are told by that person, and others it is not true, It does not matter if you agree or not.. Your wrong..

I think as the 7,000 illustrates, certain dogmatic jump on this idea, it is the only idea being put on, boom, you are wrong etc.
You have to be a lot more careful

First off, I never said you were wrong

And I never said you were right

I asked you to prove it with the word of God.

You could not, Neither could I. so we have an argument on a mute point which neither one of us can proof.. And dame is done.


WHICH WAS THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE.

I NEVER SAID YOU WER WRONG PETER.. I SAID PROVE IT. or else you should RETHINK IT. or keep it to yourself or only to people you know are saved..

know your job does not involve listening to people and one word could mean something else entirely, and you have to construct lots of possibilities and review every model and finally come up with one that works.

You do not know me at all. or what my job is, or what I have to do. there you go ASSUMIN AGAIN PETER.

What will it take for you to stop this?? can anyone get to you, being nice or not?? Will you ever stop assuming you know what everyone believes? or does, or thinks?

That is what I do for a living. Now I summarise too much and get lazy, but that is part of discussion.
What demonstrates how dogmatic is how far you escalate or just wait. I wait a very long time.

So it is your job to go and tell people what they believe, and if that person confronts you and says your wrong, it is your job to correct that person and tell them you are right?

am I misunderstanding you peter? because that is the issue between us, Not your theology or doctrine..

I really do not care about your ideas about lying or slander.

So I am lying now. and your not slandering people?

There you go everyone,, Everything I just said Peter just proved..

Offence, people take it all the time about everything.
No after seeing you here on this, not surprised you go off on tangents over something 100% neutral, and even use it to say, I am a legalist avoiding sin.

You are a nutcase looking for an excuse with a mouth that shoots off at every opportunity you spot.
But as I said I have zero confidence in you and your judgements. Maybe you could learn, but with your background...

Well, there you go again.. It is not enough to call someone mental. Now we are nutcases..

I guess again, the mods will have to be informed.

 

[Grace777x70]

See now EG..when you are called a "nutcase" and "supposedly having this background where you can't learn"...you can just let this go. We can see what is happening here...just let it go...and pray for those that say such things about you.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

See now EG..when you are called a "nutcase" and having this background where you can't learn...you can just let this go. We can see what is happening here...just let it go...and pray for those that say such things about you.

Calling me a nutcase means nothing.

But considering it is allowed to continue.. That should be disturbing.. to us all..

 

[PeterJens]

I think this all proves my point, dis-functional behaviour.

Odd picture this. I have listed your beliefs and mine together and said we are quite close and you agreed yet I do not know what you believe. I have stated certain positions logically mean things follow on, which I state, but that is slander, and lying.

I suppose everything must be escalated. That is what mental illness does to people. A minor issue becomes more and more important to them. You project hatred on to me, antangonism, hurt, etc where there is none.

I suggest you go on your holiday and relax. None of this matters as the content is non-existant except in your head.
If you have any real issues please tell me in detail and I will apologise. To date over months you have come up with nothing which is why I say it is only in your mind. But I am all ears. You show me, please my friend, the hurt party, the one I have wounded, who needs healing and restoration. I am here to help you, to give you comfort and support.

 

[PeterJens]

Dear reader, I apologise. I should not have engaged with EG. It always ends in the same place, me the guilty party, him wounded and I do not know why.

Maybe its a lovers tiff, and he actually has different intentions than I first thought. Not the first time this has happened to me. It must be my open loving personality. lol

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Dear reader, I apologise. I should not have engaged with EG. It always ends in the same place, me the guilty party, him wounded and I do not know why.

Maybe its a lovers tiff, and he actually has different intentions than I first thought. Not the first time this has happened to me. It must be my open loving personality. lol

Smh

It's always everyone else ain't it.

 

[PeterJens]

Interpretation

As a quick aside, saying Elijah sinned or did not sin having fear for his life defines you as a legalist or a hyper-grace believer.

The puzzel to this dilemma is an angel was sent to help Elijah after he had fled. And the threat was very real. Should he have fled but not in fear and that would have been ok. I suggest he had good reason to flee.

King David when hunted by Saul was told by the Lord to go to different places and had situations where he feared for his life. This was not regarded as sin, but here we have a group who openly moralise fear as sin. This is why I would call them hyper-legalists. Fear is a natural flight or fight reaction. You do not choose it.

It demonstrates why I say this is a different faith or moral outlook on God and how he works with people.
The more these interactions go on the more is actually revealed about our differences at fundamental levels of faith.

 

[PeterJens]

Just a small point, if I am willing to apologise, open to understand the hurt and offence, offering support, and then told I am saying its everyone else fault, then I can do no more, that is the definition of not wanting to engage or communicate and just complain about someone else.

It is the exact example of blaming others, and not accepting ones own part which I am being accused of.

I have no animosity at all because to me this is just dis-functional behaviour or nuts as I said.

 

[JGIG]

Funny.

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I knew you would read this and point that very part out. Its because you think I am saying we are to be oblivious to the sin, but that isn't what is being presented. The point is that old habits die hard. This is a process of sanctification, and so fruit takes time to bear. VVe must renew our mind, and in doing so, sin is reduced.

When we sin, the path to healing is to realize, yeah that is exactly who we are. Acknowledge it and be healed in GOD's grace.

When a believer sins, they are miserable because they have acted contrary to the New Creation they are in Christ. In Christ we have a New Nature - we always have a choice how to use our members - as instruments of righteousness or as instruments of sin.

When the believer sins, the path to healing is to realize that NO, that's NOT who we are in Christ, to acknowledge it and be healed in God's grace. Then we go forward and learn to walk as who we are in Christ!

You're almost there, HRFTD, almost there!

-JGIG

 

[Willie-T]

Can anyone here get behind these few words of W.H. Auden's poem?

If equal affection cannot be, let the more loving one be me.

 

[PeterJens]

Can anyone here get behind these few words of W.H. Auden's poem?

If equal affection cannot be, let the more loving one be me.

He is saying if affection between two people is not present, or is not balanced, so one loves the other more, he hopes, desires that he is the one who loves more than the other. He is expressing he does not want to be the subject of anothers affection which he cannot return but is happy to love people more than they love him.