A Study of Torah from Gen. - Rev.

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Rainrider

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This is going to be a study of Torah. For any that don't know the Torah is the first 5 books of the Bible, also known as the Book of Moses. Keep in mind this is a study of Torah, It has nothing to do with the argument of Law over grace, and holds no format for that debate.
As we all know, HaShem is orderly, and all things to do with Him or or any study of His Word should be as well. We are told to show LOVE, One can not show love if they are disruptive, or doing their best to force any Idea or IDEOLOGY on others. SO if you wish to ARGUE law over Law this is not the place for you.
Many I am sure I will see in this tread doing just that. Keep in mind, that if you failed to make your case in any other tread, you will also fail to do so here. Yeshua told you what to do,
Mat 10:14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
I ask that you please take that advice and move on. As you can tll, if you are one that loves to disrupt and can't stop from opening that debate, I have. That is why I have oped this tread, I don't with to fight, or debate a thing that has been so beat, if it were a horse it would be dead.
Rom 14:1 ¶Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things.
I post the above to point out that when one does enter into a debate that holds doubtful or what seems to be doubtful understandings, they do so out side of the Word tells them.
One last thing. Before any wish to try and make the point that I replace Yeshua with Law, back that truck on out of here. I have said many times, that salvation comes by faith, followed by obedience. Keep that in mind,
SALVATION BY FAITH!!!!! FOLLOWED BY OBEDIENCE!!!!!!!!
I know that this thread will most likely be over run by people that don't take to read this one post. So let me just say, that if you truly wish to show that you WALK WITH YESHUA Then please follow His WAYS, and just move on. You do your self no fevers nor do you help your witness, by being disruptive, and hateful to others. We all that HaShem would never disrupt any that are in a study of His Word, and that to do so, shows both selfish, and disrespectful behavior. Name calling shows a lake of understanding, and is more often seen as childish, and rude.
So in closing this post, I ask once more. If you can't stop from posting your ideas, and doing your best to impose them on others, MOVE ON!!!! Yeshua would not act as I have seen on so many treads in here. Once it became clear to Him that a person simply didn't want to here what He had to say, He moved on. I wish to make it real clear, I HAVE NO NEED NOR WISH TO HERE OTHERS RUN DOWN THAT FAITH OF ANOTHER JUST BECAUSE THEY CAN.
 

Rainrider

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When one seeks to find the first Commandment, were do we look? Some may say to Gen, 2:1-2. Is that true though, or should one first look to Gen 1?
Gen 1:28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

As one follows this commandment the next thing we should find would be,
Gen 2:24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.

This passage will come into play as we move on in this study. It plays a big part in understanding many of the commandments dealing with marriage, and the respect that is to be shown in marriage.



Pro 18:22
He who
finds a wife finds a good thing, And obtains favor from the LORD.

Though this is not a commandment, it does show us juts how HaShem see's the act of marriage. Yet as with all things, this can become a sin,
1Co 7:34 There is a difference between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman cares about the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit. But she who is married cares about the things of the world—how she may please her husband.

If the wife placed her husband before HaShem, she has lost her way. Just as if a man placed his wife first, he would have as well.

I do hope that someone will add to this, in keeping with the topic at hand. I know enough to say I don't know everything, and that I may well have over looked something. I will post on Gen. 3 tomorrow, and once more walk it through as fare as I can. Keep in mind I may not post ever passage that deals with a topic, as we will find the same topic later.
 

loveme1

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The old wine should be tasted.... then one can enjoy the great taste of the New wine. I hope many have studied the Bible like they read other books. It is page upon page.. precept upon precept. Glory to the Almighty GOD.
 

Rainrider

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The old wine should be tasted.... then one can enjoy the great taste of the New wine. I hope many have studied the Bible like they read other books. It is page upon page.. precept upon precept. Glory to the Almighty GOD.
Thank you for staying on topic. Ho that wasn't on topic, sorry my bad.
 

loveme1

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Thank you for staying on topic. Ho that wasn't on topic, sorry my bad.
Not sure why you believe it to be off topic. You speak of the Old and New Testament as did I.
 

Rainrider

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Not sure why you believe it to be off topic. You speak of the Old and New Testament as did I.
As it seems just a way to drag up a debate I wish not see on this tread.
 

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When one seeks to find the first Commandment, were do we look? Some may say to Gen, 2:1-2. Is that true though, or should one first look to Gen 1?
Gen 1:28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

As one follows this commandment the next thing we should find would be,
Gen 2:24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.

This passage will come into play as we move on in this study. It plays a big part in understanding many of the commandments dealing with marriage, and the respect that is to be shown in marriage.



Pro 18:22
He who
finds a wife finds a good thing, And obtains favor from the LORD.

Though this is not a commandment, it does show us juts how HaShem see's the act of marriage. Yet as with all things, this can become a sin,
1Co 7:34 There is a difference between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman cares about the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit. But she who is married cares about the things of the world—how she may please her husband.

If the wife placed her husband before HaShem, she has lost her way. Just as if a man placed his wife first, he would have as well.

I do hope that someone will add to this, in keeping with the topic at hand. I know enough to say I don't know everything, and that I may well have over looked something. I will post on Gen. 3 tomorrow, and once more walk it through as fare as I can. Keep in mind I may not post ever passage that deals with a topic, as we will find the same topic later.
In ref to Prov 18v22 it would seem a good thing for man and woman to come together.
In 1Cor 7v34....not so good...as this becomes a DIStraction from God. How can this be reconciled ?
 

Rainrider

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In ref to Prov 18v22 it would seem a good thing for man and woman to come together.
In 1Cor 7v34....not so good...as this becomes a DIStraction from God. How can this be reconciled ?
1Cor 7:34 is a warning of what we must avoid. When both work work together to build on a solid foundation, (That being HaShem) Then they avoid the distraction, and lift one another. As we know not all things are good at all times, yet when both work as one, they can correct the other with love, and help them back on the right path. That is why Prov. 18:22 calls the wife a good thing.
 

loveme1

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As it seems just a way to drag up a debate I wish not see on this tread.
You are mistaken... I have misunderstood your intentions it seems. I will retreat to show I was not looking to argue or even debate.

Peace.
 

Rainrider

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You are mistaken... I have misunderstood your intentions it seems. I will retreat to show I was not looking to argue or even debate.

Peace.
Then by all means please inform us of 2 things.
1. What you posted, how does it fit with the topic of marriage?
2. How does it have anything to do with Torah, and a study of it?
I am so looking foreword to seeing how it doesn't have anything to with your idea of the Law being nailed to the cross.
 

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1Cor 7:34 is a warning of what we must avoid. When both work work together to build on a solid foundation, (That being HaShem) Then they avoid the distraction, and lift one another. As we know not all things are good at all times, yet when both work as one, they can correct the other with love, and help them back on the right path. That is why Prov. 18:22 calls the wife a good thing.
Yes, I thought it would be something like that...not only to be 'one in the flesh but more importantly 'be one in Spirit !
However with most people it is the physical attraction that wins the day....especially since most people are just 'naturally/carnal minded from birth and then led astray with false teaching. Not all have the truth from the beginning to be able to start on the right foot.
 

Rainrider

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Yes, I thought it would be something like that...not only to be 'one in the flesh but more importantly 'be one in Spirit !
However with most people it is the physical attraction that wins the day....especially since most people are just 'naturally/carnal minded from birth and then led astray with false teaching. Not all have the truth from the beginning to be able to start on the right foot.
I may seem to be removing this next passage from it's true intent. Just hear me out on this one please.
2Co 6:14 Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?

One can also take this passage to mean that we should not marry out side of our faith. As we all know, that if a Faith only follower was to marry a faith first then obedience follower, the fight in that house would be never ending, unless one or the other, changed their following to fit the others. In a case like that however, resentment may well follow the change of faith.

Does that make both wrong? Not really.
However I do follow that I sound spiritual connection must come first. IN that I mean that we should do our best to find a person that follows the same teachings.
 
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Rainrider

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Beta,
That so you know is why I am single, and will most likely stay that way. People that try to follow faith first then obedience, seem to also follow at lest some form of replacement theology. For sure many 7th day Sabbath keeps do. Though like you said, most in the world today, only look at the outside. Then as they age, if they don't age well, then it is off to find the next bigger, better thing. Besides, I am 53, now, after being a lone for some 20 years or so, I may be a bit set in my ways, so I can't think of any women that would put up with me. ;)
 
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Then by all means please inform us of 2 things.
1. What you posted, how does it fit with the topic of marriage?
2. How does it have anything to do with Torah, and a study of it?
I am so looking foreword to seeing how it doesn't have anything to with your idea of the Law being nailed to the cross.
You said you didn't want to discuss anything other than what the topic is. So she said she would step down now that she knows her commit may have been off topic. But you continue to push it. So, do you or do you not want stay on topic?
 

Rainrider

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Beta,
I seem to have over looked one part of your reply, forgive me.
You are right in that many today only look at the out side. Then as age does work, if they are happy with what it does to the other, they simply go off looking for the next bigger, beater thing. I know one man, that fell "in love" with a girl. She was the supermodel type. Then after her first kid, she gained a little wight. Not much, she never lost what some call baby fat. He left her after only 6 mouths, over her having a little extra in the middle. What he thought was better turned into a nightmare for him.
He has turned His life over to HaShem, and now is married to a lady that is big enough to put a beat down on him. Yet they are both happy. Why? They follow the same teaching, and they didn't start out looking for lust. They slowly became friends, through a Bible class, then once they seen how the other was more in Love with HaShem they with the world, that became a love story that will last them both.
I know I am going to hear about this post when we got to divorce. Oh well, I have that covered.
 

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Beta,
That so you know is why I am single, and will most likely stay that way. People that try to follow faith first then obedience, seem to also follow at lest some form of replacement theology. For sure many 7th day Sabbath keeps do. Though like you said, most in the world today, only look at the outside. Then as they age, if they don't age well, then it is off to find the next bigger, better thing. Besides, I am 53, now, after being a lone for some 20 years or so, I may be a bit set in my ways, so I can't think of any women that would put up with me. ;)
No, don't put yourself down, you are YOUNG compared to myself...christian forums are full of single christian women = possibly looking for a husband...no need to deny yourself yet and would not do wrong to marry a ''like-minded.
It was different in my case, faith or religion never played a part in my life till I was 50 and drawn to the Word of God. Had I known sooner marriage would have ended differently...but even so it had it's purpose !!! GOD knows what He is doing !
 

Rainrider

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You said you didn't want to discuss anything other than what the topic is. So she said she would step down now that she knows her commit may have been off topic. But you continue to push it. So, do you or do you not want stay on topic?
I do wish to stay on topic. I was told it was not off topic, so I asked 2 things to find out how it was on topic. Simple as that.
 
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Hi Guys,

Just dropping by to say hello. I posted this somewhere in another thread but thought it may be useful here for those that do not actually know what that TORAH is. Some people think that TORAH is just for the Jews but its is like Ranirider said. Its God's part of God's Word for everyone. Its a meaning and definition cut and paste from wiki and Judaism 101


I would like to suggest that everyone that professes to be a Jew or a Christian is a Torah believer. So why do I say this?

What does the Word Torah mean?

"Torah" also called "Pentateuch from the Greek" is the first five books of the Bible (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy). These are also called the book of Moses as they were written by Moses.

Torah


Level: Basic
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[TD] • Torah in the narrowest sense refers to the first five books of the Bible
• In a broader sense, Torah includes all Jewish law and tradition
• Torah was given to Moses in written form with oral commentary
• The oral component is now written in the Talmud
• There are additional important writings

The word "Torah" is a tricky one, because it can mean different things in different contexts. In its most limited sense, "Torah" refers to the Five Books of Moses: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. But the word "torah" can also be used to refer to the entire Jewish bible (the body of scripture known to non-Jews as the Old Testament and to Jews as the Tanakh or Written Torah), or in its broadest sense, to the whole body of Jewish law and teachings.[/TD]
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Written Torah

To Jews, there is no "Old Testament." The books that Christians call the New Testament are not part of Jewish scripture. The so-called Old Testament is known to us as Written Torah or the Tanakh.
This is a list of the books of Written Torah, in the order in which they appear in Jewish translations, with the Hebrew name of the book, a translation of the Hebrew name (where it is not the same as the English name), and English names of the books (where it is not the same as the Hebrew name). The Hebrew names of the first five books are derived from the first few words of the book. The text of each book is more or less the same in Jewish translations as what you see in Christian bibles, although there are some occasional, slight differences in the numbering of verses and there are some significant differences in the translations.

TORAH (The Law):

  • Bereishith (In the beginning...) (Genesis)
  • Shemoth (The names...) (Exodus)
  • Vayiqra (And He called...) (Leviticus)
  • Bamidbar (In the wilderness...) (Numbers)
  • Devarim (The words...) (Deuteronomy)

NEVI'IM (The Prophets):

  • Yehoshua (Joshua)
  • Shoftim (Judges)
  • Shmuel (I &II Samuel)
  • Melakhim (I & II Kings)
  • Yeshayah (Isaiah)
  • Yirmyah (Jeremiah)
  • Yechezqel (Ezekiel)
  • The Twelve (treated as one book):
    • Hoshea (Hosea)
    • Yoel (Joel)
    • Amos
    • Ovadyah (Obadiah)
    • Yonah (Jonah)
    • Mikhah (Micah)
    • Nachum
    • Chavaqquq (Habbakkuk)
    • Tzefanyah (Zephaniah)
    • Chaggai
    • Zekharyah (Zechariah)
    • Malakhi

KETHUVIM (The Writings):

  • Tehillim (Psalms)
  • Mishlei (Proverbs)
  • Iyov (Job)
  • Shir Ha-Shirim (Song of Songs)
  • Ruth
  • Eikhah (Lamentations)
  • Qoheleth (the author's name) (Ecclesiastes)
  • Esther
  • Daniel
  • Ezra & Nechemyah (Nehemiah) (treated as one book)
  • Divrei Ha-Yamim (The words of the days) (Chronicles)

Written Torah is often referred to as the Tanakh, which is an acrostic of Torah, Nevi'im and Ketuvim.

This is just a cut and paste but you can find more information from (Wiki) or other websites if your interested.

So if your saying that as a Christians who follow Jesus, we should not believe the first five books of the Bible written by Moses (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy) then you need to be very careful because God tells us that...

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. " (2Tim 3:16)

"And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. (Matt 4:4; Luke 4:4)

As the first 5 books of the bible (Book of Moses) is God's Word in the Old Testament we need to treat it as it is.. God's Word

God bless you all
 
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Rainrider

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No, don't put yourself down, you are YOUNG compared to myself...christian forums are full of single christian women = possibly looking for a husband...no need to deny yourself yet and would not do wrong to marry a ''like-minded.
It was different in my case, faith or religion never played a part in my life till I was 50 and drawn to the Word of God. Had I known sooner marriage would have ended differently...but even so it had it's purpose !!! GOD knows what He is doing !
True. I have always said, if He wants to have a wife, He will put us together in a way that can't be denied. We did kinfd of get off topic, thats my bad, sorry.
 

Rainrider

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Hi Guys,

Just dropping by to say hello. I posted this somewhere in another thread but thought it may be useful here for those that do not actually know what that TORAH is. Some people think that TORAH is just for the Jews but its is like Ranirider said. Its God's part of God's Word for everyone. Its a meaning and definition cut and paste from wiki and Judaism 101


I would like to suggest that everyone that professes to be a Jew or a Christian is a Torah believer. So why do I say this?

What does the Word Torah mean?

"Torah" also called "Pentateuch from the Greek" is the first five books of the Bible (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy). These are also called the book of Moses as they were written by Moses.

Torah


Level: Basic
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[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD] • Torah in the narrowest sense refers to the first five books of the Bible
• In a broader sense, Torah includes all Jewish law and tradition
• Torah was given to Moses in written form with oral commentary
• The oral component is now written in the Talmud
• There are additional important writings

The word "Torah" is a tricky one, because it can mean different things in different contexts. In its most limited sense, "Torah" refers to the Five Books of Moses: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. But the word "torah" can also be used to refer to the entire Jewish bible (the body of scripture known to non-Jews as the Old Testament and to Jews as the Tanakh or Written Torah), or in its broadest sense, to the whole body of Jewish law and teachings.[/TD]
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[/TABLE]

Written Torah

To Jews, there is no "Old Testament." The books that Christians call the New Testament are not part of Jewish scripture. The so-called Old Testament is known to us as Written Torah or the Tanakh.
This is a list of the books of Written Torah, in the order in which they appear in Jewish translations, with the Hebrew name of the book, a translation of the Hebrew name (where it is not the same as the English name), and English names of the books (where it is not the same as the Hebrew name). The Hebrew names of the first five books are derived from the first few words of the book. The text of each book is more or less the same in Jewish translations as what you see in Christian bibles, although there are some occasional, slight differences in the numbering of verses and there are some significant differences in the translations.

TORAH (The Law):

  • Bereishith (In the beginning...) (Genesis)
  • Shemoth (The names...) (Exodus)
  • Vayiqra (And He called...) (Leviticus)
  • Bamidbar (In the wilderness...) (Numbers)
  • Devarim (The words...) (Deuteronomy)

NEVI'IM (The Prophets):

  • Yehoshua (Joshua)
  • Shoftim (Judges)
  • Shmuel (I &II Samuel)
  • Melakhim (I & II Kings)
  • Yeshayah (Isaiah)
  • Yirmyah (Jeremiah)
  • Yechezqel (Ezekiel)
  • The Twelve (treated as one book):
    • Hoshea (Hosea)
    • Yoel (Joel)
    • Amos
    • Ovadyah (Obadiah)
    • Yonah (Jonah)
    • Mikhah (Micah)
    • Nachum
    • Chavaqquq (Habbakkuk)
    • Tzefanyah (Zephaniah)
    • Chaggai
    • Zekharyah (Zechariah)
    • Malakhi

KETHUVIM (The Writings):

  • Tehillim (Psalms)
  • Mishlei (Proverbs)
  • Iyov (Job)
  • Shir Ha-Shirim (Song of Songs)
  • Ruth
  • Eikhah (Lamentations)
  • Qoheleth (the author's name) (Ecclesiastes)
  • Esther
  • Daniel
  • Ezra & Nechemyah (Nehemiah) (treated as one book)
  • Divrei Ha-Yamim (The words of the days) (Chronicles)

Written Torah is often referred to as the Tanakh, which is an acrostic of Torah, Nevi'im and Ketuvim.

This is just a cut and paste but you can find more information from (Wiki) or other websites if your interested.

So if your saying that as a Christians who follow Jesus, we should not believe the first five books of the Bible written by Moses (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy) then you need to be very careful because God tells us that...

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. " (2Tim 3:16)

"And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. (Matt 4:4; Luke 4:4)

As the first 5 books of the bible (Book of Moses) is God's Word in the Old Testament we need to treat it as it is.. God's Word

God bless you all
That was good thank you. The only thing I seen missing is that Torah can also mean, Teacher, Mark, Law, and commandment. That was beat into my hard head by a Rabbi I once studied under.