Abide in Christ

[Grandpa]

John 15:1-5
[SUP]1[/SUP]I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.


How is it done? How do we abide in Christ? What is this fruit that the Lord Jesus is talking about?

Do you think the fruit is the fruit of the Spirit described in Galatians 5 or some other fruit?

 

[p_rehbein]

John 15:1-5
[SUP]1[/SUP]I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.


How is it done? How do we abide in Christ? What is this fruit that the Lord Jesus is talking about?

Do you think the fruit is the fruit of the Spirit described in Galatians 5 or some other fruit?

(my opinion only I suspect..............just saying)

SOME OTHER FRUIT.............

Matthew 28:18) And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 .) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 .) Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

 

[Grandpa]

(my opinion only I suspect..............just saying)

SOME OTHER FRUIT.............

Matthew 28:18) And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 .) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 .) Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

I don't see the fruit that is grown by what you have shown. Can you explain?

 

[p_rehbein]

Sure................are not to work to INCREASE the Kingdom? The DUTY of the Church is to bring the Good News to the World and produce NEW BELIEVERS in Jesus Christ...............This is the "fruit" we produce..............and we can't do it without Him........

The "fruits" of the Spirit surely help us to "produce fruit" for the Kingdom, but it is those lost souls that are led to Christ that are the "fruit."

(anyway, my thoughts..............)

 

[Grandpa]

Sure................are not to work to INCREASE the Kingdom? The DUTY of the Church is to bring the Good News to the World and produce NEW BELIEVERS in Jesus Christ...............This is the "fruit" we produce..............and we can't do it without Him........

The "fruits" of the Spirit surely help us to "produce fruit" for the Kingdom, but it is those lost souls that are led to Christ that are the "fruit."

(anyway, my thoughts..............)

Is it possible that people can come to Christ without someone leading them? IF someone hasn't led them to Christ but they come to them on their own what fruit is this and whose does it belong to?

 

[BradC]

John 15:1-5
[SUP]1[/SUP]I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.


How is it done? How do we abide in Christ? What is this fruit that the Lord Jesus is talking about?

Do you think the fruit is the fruit of the Spirit described in Galatians 5 or some other fruit?

Proverbs 11:30 The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life and he that winneth souls is wise.

 

[p_rehbein]

Is it possible that people can come to Christ without someone leading them? IF someone hasn't led them to Christ but they come to them on their own what fruit is this and whose does it belong to?

in that case, I would say it was the "fruit" of the Holy Spirit...........BUT THAT NEW BELIEVER is still charged by Jesus to............

"go ye into all the world.........." are they not?

See, the fruits of the Sprit don't fit the Scripture you used in the OP........Why? Because we can't "bringeth forth" the fruits of the Spirit.......we "receive" those fruits FROM the Holy Spirit through His indwelling presence.......

again, my thoughts..........

 

[Jackson123]

Is it possible that people can come to Christ without someone leading them? IF someone hasn't led them to Christ but they come to them on their own what fruit is this and whose does it belong to?

The fruit is in Galatians 5, Love Joy etc.

And if we have love then we love people that not save and lead them to Christ. whether we success or not.

If we said we love but not leading people to Christ than we lie.

Love mean doesn't like people suffer in hell.

 

[Grandpa]

See, the fruits of the Sprit don't fit the Scripture you used in the OP........Why? Because we can't "bringeth forth" the fruits of the Spirit.......we "receive" those fruits FROM the Holy Spirit through His indwelling presence.......

again, my thoughts..........

Can the Lord Jesus bring forth those fruits? I suppose it depends on who you think is the one producing the fruit.

If we looked at the scripture the way you are looking at it then it should say every branch that doesn't bring forth another branch will be purged, right? That is what happens when a Christian "makes" another Christian, right? A Christian doesn't produce something other than what he is.

I think it is important to note that something is produced in the Life of a Christian when he abides in Christ, that the Christian can't produce himself. Only Christ can produce this fruit. Isn't that what the scripture is saying??

 

[Grandpa]

The fruit is in Galatians 5, Love Joy etc.

And if we have love then we love people that not save and lead them to Christ. whether we success or not.

If we said we love but not leading people to Christ than we lie.

Love mean doesn't like people suffer in hell.

That's what I think also.

 

[p_rehbein]

Can the Lord Jesus bring forth those fruits? I suppose it depends on who you think is the one producing the fruit.

If we looked at the scripture the way you are looking at it then it should say every branch that doesn't bring forth another branch will be purged, right? That is what happens when a Christian "makes" another Christian, right? A Christian doesn't produce something other than what he is.

I think it is important to note that something is produced in the Life of a Christian when he abides in Christ, that the Christian can't produce himself. Only Christ can produce this fruit. Isn't that what the scripture is saying??

not to me...........but it if works for you, that's cool too............God bless.......

(time for me to leave for church.........if I get the chance, I will give a more in depth response tonight or tomorrow......)

 

[CRC]

Jesus explains the key to producing fruit: “He that remains in union with me, and I in union with him, this one bears much fruit; because apart from me you can do nothing at all.” If, however, a person fails to produce fruit, Jesus says, “he is cast out as a branch and is dried up; and men gather those branches up and pitch them into the fire and they are burned.” On the other hand, Jesus promises: “If you remain in union with me and my sayings remain in you, ask whatever you wish and it will take place for you.”
Further, Jesus says to his apostles: “My Father is glorified in this, that you keep bearing much fruit and prove yourselves my disciples.” The fruit God desires from the branches is their manifestation of Christlike qualities, particularly love. Moreover, since Christ was a proclaimer of God’s Kingdom, the desired fruit also includes their activity of making disciples as he did.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

John 15:1-5
[SUP]1[/SUP]I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.


How is it done? How do we abide in Christ? What is this fruit that the Lord Jesus is talking about?

Do you think the fruit is the fruit of the Spirit described in Galatians 5 or some other fruit?

I believe he is speaking of 'growth'.

But when he saw the multitudes, he was moved with compassion on them, because they fainted, and were scattered abroad, as sheep having no shepherd. Then saith he unto his disciples, The harvest truly is plenteous, but the labourers are few; Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest that he will send forth labourers into his harvest. Matt. 9:36-38

If we picture a tree - there is the root, the trunk, the branches, the twigs - in order for the tree to grow the trunk has to be deeply rooted - [in Christ] - we speak, someone waters, God gives the increase - we speak and plant the seed - the fruit is developed in time. It's also a work of bringing others - the new growth - to maturity - by shepherding.

- my thoughts on the matter . . . .

 

[know1]

Jesus explains the key to producing fruit: “He that remains in union with me, and I in union with him, this one bears much fruit; because apart from me you can do nothing at all.” If, however, a person fails to produce fruit, Jesus says, “he is cast out as a branch and is dried up; and men gather those branches up and pitch them into the fire and they are burned.” On the other hand, Jesus promises: “If you remain in union with me and my sayings remain in you, ask whatever you wish and it will take place for you.”
Further, Jesus says to his apostles: “My Father is glorified in this, that you keep bearing much fruit and prove yourselves my disciples.” The fruit God desires from the branches is their manifestation of Christlike qualities, particularly love. Moreover, since Christ was a proclaimer of God’s Kingdom, the desired fruit also includes their activity of making disciples as he did.

Mat 10:8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
This also is the kind of fruit we are to produce in Him. If He told the disciples to do these things, why would He not tell us the same? It is the same spirit and faith He gave them.

 

[oldthennew]

MATTHEW 13:23.


But he that received seed into the good ground is he that hears the Word,
and understands: which also bears fruit, and brings forth,
some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

 

[Grandpa]

not to me...........but it if works for you, that's cool too............God bless.......

(time for me to leave for church.........if I get the chance, I will give a more in depth response tonight or tomorrow......)

I was thinking about what I said and I think I was wrong. A christian causing others to come to Christ can definitely be fruit.

 

[posthuman]

A christian causing others to come to Christ can definitely be fruit.

i think this is true too, but i don't think that everyone who does not evangelize will be "cut off" for not "bearing fruit"
that is, "evangelize" in the sense the word has today, actively and purposefully going out trying to make new converts.

i've never believed that someone who preaches the gospel is the one that saves - it is the Lord that draws us to Him, though He makes people as His mouth, or His tool or implement to do His work.

but even if we are not an evangelist, are we not still His witness on the earth? all the fruit of the Spirit is also His work, and His testimony in us to the world. you don't have to be making altar calls to produce fruit, and you don't have to be standing behind a pulpit for others to see Jesus in you.

so i think all of you are right - this fruit is the work of God in you, whether it be charity and kindness, goodness and hospitality, or teaching and proclaiming the gospel, both to the world and to encourage the body, all of this that is from God, is fruit, and everything from God is good - it is good fruit!

every good and perfect gift comes from God (fruit, too!)

thank Him, that causes us to grow and to bud and to blossom!

 

[Grandpa]

The production of the fruit isn't the cause of abiding in Christ. The fruit comes from the abiding.

So how is it done? How do we abide in Christ?

 

[Jackson123]

If the branch not abide to the vine, It will not produce fruit at all.

Abide is pre requirement to produce a fruit.

The fruit is love. and love mean help people to know the Lord by, helping them with the food, show them love what ever it mean. Then they fill the love of Christ in us. Then he come to the Lord.

Every body need to be love. no body like to be hate.

If they know God love them, they will come to the Lord. The problem is they are not sure that Jesus love them and Jesus provide with Mansion in Heaven.

I will make invitation, every body willing to come to my house, I will give them $ 10 million each.

If you trust me, I believe will be a thousand people came to my house.

But I know, no body will come because no body believe that I have even a million.

Jesus over Love and trillion dollar worth of heaven. Only few come.

I believe big part of the reason is most doesn't believe.

so in my opinion this is the order.

Abide in Christ, will produce love and one of the product of love is witnessing and lead people to Christ.
So Lead people to Christ is product of Love and love is product of Christ.

One my lead people to Christ without love, for example, his job is evangelist and if he doesn't do his job, he will lose it and lose his income.

But it is not what God want. He want we do it because of love.

So witnessing is not always product or fruit of Holy spirit. some time fruit of money/income. but love is always fruit of Holy spirit.

 

[Laodicea]

[h=3]2 John 1:9[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]9 [/SUP]Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.