Abomination of Desolation

[garee]

I think the one who kills those who dont worship the image(Revelation 13:15) because they don't worship him and die spiritually so they are killed literally,physically,carnally.

Die immediately? or in death you will die?

And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth (unconverted mankind) by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he (Satan not seen) had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.(Revelation 13:15)

To be killed is according to the letter of the law . Thou shall surely die. The tool that Satan turns upside down inspired from earth . You shall not surely die.

A good example that the image of the beast should both speak, is used with Peter when he blasphemed the Son of man .. . the MO of the antichrists

Peter did not have the mark .Non converted man .He was forgiven of blasphemy. Christ could deny himself that he had converted Peter. as it would seem the serial denier. .Satan a serial murderer from the beginning .

Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.Mathew 16:22-23

 

[iamsoandso]

Die immediately? or in death you will die?

And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth (unconverted mankind) by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he (Satan not seen) had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.(Revelation 13:15)

To be killed is according to the letter of the law . Thou shall surely die. The tool that Satan turns upside down inspired from earth . You shall not surely die.

A good example that the image of the beast should both speak, is used with Peter when he blasphemed the Son of man .. . the MO of the antichrists

Peter did not have the mark .Non converted man .He was forgiven of blasphemy. Christ could deny himself that he had converted Peter. as it would seem the serial denier. .Satan a serial murderer from the beginning .

Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.Mathew 16:22-23

Any way you try to apply spiritualism to Revelation 13:15 and Revelation 19:21 it will always end with the reality that Revelation is saying these will be fulfilled literally.

 

[garee]

And the link in the covenant will be worship the image and live,take the mark and buy and sell...Go to those who sell oil(since you have none) and Babylon is who trades in all the merchandise,,,

I think the mark is something we are born with . No faith in God.

I think it is more in respect to spiritual matters unseen .The buying and selling has to do with the gospel truth . The famine for hearing the word of God.

Good example with Esau a marked man seeing no value in spiritual things sold his birth rite for a cup of venison stew.

Proverbs 23:23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.

 

[garee]

Any way you try to apply spiritualism to Revelation 13:15 and Revelation 19:21 it will always end with the reality that Revelation is saying these will be fulfilled literally.

Literally in respect to the things not seen, the eternal? Why literalize the spiritual signified understanding.?

 

[iamsoandso]

I think the mark is something we are born with . No faith in God.

I think it is more in respect to spiritual matters unseen .The buying and selling has to do with the gospel truth . The famine for hearing the word of God.

Good example with Esau a marked man seeing no value in spiritual things sold his birth rite for a cup of venison stew.

Proverbs 23:23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.

Your missing my point....It don't matter what the mark is what matters is that the ones who wont worship the image the beast kills, and the ones who do worship it the fowl eat.

 

[iamsoandso]

Literally in respect to the things not seen, the eternal? Why literalize the spiritual signified understanding.?

Begin with Able,Cain literally slew him and his blood literally cried out. The flood literally overflowed the earth and the eight were literally safe in the Arc. Lot literally came out of Sodom and Gomorrah and they were literally destroyed. Abram was literally called out of Ur, and Jacobs children literally were in bondage in Egypt. Moses literally led them out after plagues literally were poured out on Egypt.

The Assyrians literally carried Ephraim into bondage and Nebuchadnezzar literally took Judah in bondage. Medea Persia literally ruled and then Greece and then Rome. Jerusalem was literally destroyed and the survivors literally carried into the nations. God the Almighty does not say he will literally do something and not literally do it. (Isaiah 46:10) it"s his MO...

 

[Shekinahglory]

Hi, how is everyone doing? I have been writing how this Abomination is anti-Christ counterfeiting the Christ. This is Him counterfeiting the time, he anti-Christ took the Lord up on the temple. The amount of counterfeiting cannot be a coincidence. In the Revelation we are shown Satan as a trinity of evil. This trinity of Evil counterfeits the Holy Trinity and opposes it. We are shown an unclean spirit and coming out of it three unclean spirit Satan, anti-Christ and the false prophet. They are three but one, one but three. -Christ is said The story that is getting ready to unfold.

An example is the false prophet. He is going to be false but he is going to be a very famous prophet he counterfeits will be Elijah. Elijah who is expected to come preparing the way of Messiah.. how he does it is a shock. There is only one lying signs and wonders he will do is to bring fire down from heaven just like Elijah did and you can see him coming to the Temple Mount and preparing to bring down the fire. All the cable channels are there and it seems like every newspaper in the world. The tension is high and he steps forward and prays towards the heavens and after a few minutes a noise begin and suddenly a bolt of lightening falls to the ground. Not only has anti-Christ arrived and just as importantly the fire for temple service. Any fire other than from heaven is strange fire and unacceptable. Anti-Christ can now take his seat on the throne of David.

 

[iamsoandso]

You calculate your pin number and memorize it in your forehead, you enter it on the pin pad with your right hand. It is the authority of your name and power to buy and sell. It works in every nation and none has the knowledge of the number save him who has the wisdom of it.

Now I know it's always better to keep this either in the past or in the future and to avoid the present but whats your credit score? I think it's outright discrimination based on religion for me to have to use usury. Do you have good credit? If you don't have good credit you pay more for car insurance. You can rent an apartment if you have good credit and if you can rent an apartment you have good enough credit to finance a home but cant yet understand to do it.

There's no excuse though if you think about it. All of you could have bought land as a group in your Churches and farmed. If you think about it you could file tax exempt if it was the Churches property. It's the greed that got you all in that you want your own little castles. If not though the beast could say to worship his image and you could tell him to go fly a kite and grow tomatoes and chickens right there on the tax exempt Church property but the castles are in the way. Seems like that's what the original Church thought to do in defense of it coming in their day right?

I know it's like seeing the starving children in Ethiopia, we sit on the easy chair and cringe. Then they show us the kids who need some medical help and we reach over and get the zapper and change the channel,the AC feels good right? I know,I know change the channel to where the camps say it's in the past or in the future because this whats in your wallet stuff's not showing on HDTV right?

 

[Ahwatukee]

"The antichrist will be revealed when he establishes that seven year covenant with Israel "

That is a ctitical question....when the AC will be revealed. I also take it as when the 7 year covenant is brokered. This concatenates with the book of Revelation and other passages in Daniel. Really its the only choice.

Well, since scripture states that he/antichrist will establish a seven year covenant with Israel, if I was on the earth during that time, as soon as the church was taken and I saw some pollical leader make a seven year covenant with Israel, to me that would be the antichrists being revealed. The setting up of the AOD would be his breaking of the covenant, not him being revealed.

To be clear, as soon as he established that seven year covenant, I would know 3 1/2 years later that he was going to stop the sacrifices and set up the AOD. I'd know who he is.

 

[Nehemiah6]

I think the mark is something we are born with . No faith in God.

We can't just make things up as we go along. Do you see the implications of what you just said?

 

[KJV1611]

We don't agree here K16.

What needs to be considered is the type and antitype of Christ's sacrifice in regards to the Day of Atonement sacrifice/ceremony. The high priest would enter the Holy of Holies with the blood, offer the blood and then RETURN to declare the acceptance of the sacrifice to the people.

The cross was the start of the Day of Atonement antitype, but it was not complete until Christ returned to the people. This is why the letter to Hebrews goes into a such complex explanation. But look at what it says was yet to be completed:

(Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.)

The return in and around the end of the 66 AD war completes the antitype.

No problem if we disagree AZ we can disagree and still run things by each other.

I see what you’re saying about the feasts but look at what Hebrews 9:8 says about him appearing the second time without sin UNTO SALVATION.

How does his return in and around the 66 AD war lead to salvation?

 

[Ahwatukee]

We can't just make things up as we go along. Do you see the implications of what you just said?

Was that for me Nehemiah?

 

[Nehemiah6]

Was that for me Nehemiah?

No. That was for Garee who said: "I think the mark is something we are born with..."

 

[KJV1611]

No. That was for Garee who said: "I think the mark is something we are born with..."

Here is wisdom. Count the number of the beast 666.
66 tens + 6 ones = The mark of the beast.
Almost everyone on this forum has that mark IN their forehead.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Your missing my point....It don't matter what the mark is what matters is that the ones who wont worship the image the beast kills, and the ones who do worship it the fowl eat.

its like most unfulfilled prophecy, we can not know all the details until it happens.

 

[bibleprophecy]

What is the abomination of Desolation? I would truly like to hear from you.

Virtually all symbols of sun worship exist in present-day Roman Catholic cathedrals.

 

[garee]

We can't just make things up as we go along. Do you see the implications of what you just said?

I would agree we need to search it out comparing scripture to scripture.

I would offer it is not a literal mark as if it was a "sign and wonder" something we could work to avoid looking to the things seen .. . . No signs as a wonder (source of faith). Jesus said it as evil generation (666) that looks to be fulfill signs as wonders non are given ..we walk by faith. He will come as a thief in the night on the last day just as in the days of Noah

666 is the number assigned to unconverted mankind .The mark of God word. . Like it will come to pass. The mark of Cain .No salvation no sabbath rest in his work spent his whole live as a restless wander. God had increased the work load .Cain said it was more than he could bear .

And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;

When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth. And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear. Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.Genesis 4: 11-15

The mark 666 is replaced with a seal of God marked in the forehead (mind will) of the believer.

The mark on the forehead cannot represent both . Kill them all. Ezekiel 9 says; You must kill all those who do not have the mark on their foreheads. Genesis do not kill

That is where the number 666 mark of the beast mankind under the influence of the father of lies comes into the understanding

Ezekiel 9:3-6 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV) Then the Glory of the God of Israel rose from above the Cherub angels where he had been. Then the Glory went to the door of the Temple and stopped when he was over the threshold. Then he called to the man wearing the linen clothes and the scribe’s pen and ink set. Then the Lord said to him, “Go through the city of Jerusalem. Put a mark on the forehead of everyone who feels sad and upset about all the terrible things people are doing in this city.” Then I heard God say to the other men, “I want you to follow the first man. You must kill all those who do not have the mark on their foreheads. It doesn’t matter if they are elders, young men or young women, children or mothers—you must use your weapon and kill everyone who does not have the mark on their forehead. Don’t show any mercy. Don’t feel sorry for anyone. Start here at my Temple.” So they started with the elders in front of the Temple.

Revelation 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

 

[garee]

Here is wisdom. Count the number of the beast 666.
66 tens + 6 ones = The mark of the beast.



Almost everyone on this forum has that mark IN their forehead.

The mark as the seal of God yes

Mankind created on day 6 as the beast of the field made with the clay.

We are all born dead in our trespasses and sins with out hope without God and born again being sealed by God in our forehead .The mark of the believer.

 

[Ahwatukee]

No. That was for Garee who said: "I think the mark is something we are born with..."

That's what I thought, because I didn't see who you were responding to, so I thought that it might be someone that I have on ignore and garee is one of them.

Regarding what garee said "I think the mark is something we are born with," the scripture states that "he" the false prophet will cause all both great and small, rich and poor, free and slave to receive a mark on the right hand or forehead. Therefore, there would be no need to receive it, if in fact we were born with it.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Garee believes in *imaginative interpretation* which can lead to flights of fancy.