Abortion

[ada]

Ok its late and i am done for today.
Just have at least a short overview of ED..
Thank you for your patience and in the end a good talk..
Good night and
in Christ

 

[Elizabeth619]

Ok its late and i am done for today.
Just have at least a short overview of ED..
Thank you for your patience and in the end a good talk..
Good night and
in Christ

Goodnight. Sweet dreams. <3

 

[systemdown101]

And i do not want to intentionally to hurt anyone feelings..

How about calling someone you disagree with a paid agent of the Mossad? That's still okay, right?

Why is mossad the biggest secret agency of the world?
Cause of the many payed sayanims.You must be one of them.

 

[Saul_Durian]

The thing is, if you label all surgical abortions as "murder," that goes for those that are done for the health or well-being of the mother as well. You are basically labeling any woman who is trying to save her life a murderer.

If abortion is murder, then almost every sexually active woman is a murderer, because it is rare for a woman not to have a "spontaneous abortion" at some point in her life. Often, she is not even aware this happens, as it coincides with her period -- a fertilized egg flushes through instead of implanting. It's more common than a lot of people think.

If you say that spontaneous abortions are not murder, but surgical abortions are, then women like me, who have had to get those surgeries for medical reasons, are murderers. Sure, we had no choice, but there is still the stigma and label of "murderer" to deal with. Losing the chance of having a baby is traumatic enough, why add to it with an additional label of "murderer"? So, even if you say, "Abortion is murder, but we'll allow it in cases where...." that still leaves thousands of women psychologically scarred.

There was one other poster on this thread who put it very well: it is flesh and blood, but not life. Abortion is very serious, and IMHO it is a sin -- in the same way that gossip is a sin, or sloth, or any of the things that we all engage in every day without even thinking about it. But it is not murder.

I never said surgical abortion is murder. I never even said abortion is murder. Just that I don't agree with abortion. But that I was fine with surgical abortions were fine if it was due to the mother's health....that was even the part you quoted.

 

[Saul_Durian]

YAY!!!! I just got a child support check!!! My goodness miracles DO happen! hahaha

Sorry, totally not part of the op...but I rarely get these checks.

Congrats, I know how that goes. You would think it was Christmas at my house whenever my mom got one lol.

And don't worry about going off topic on stuff I post, I fully support ADD conversations

 

[TheGrungeDiva]

I never said surgical abortion is murder. I never even said abortion is murder. Just that I don't agree with abortion. But that I was fine with surgical abortions were fine if it was due to the mother's health....that was even the part you quoted.

No, you didn't, but others have. I was just making a point. Sorry, I should have been more clear.

 

[AnandaHya]

Well, you were talking about lesbians earlier. I can't say I completely agree with you one your statement, but I cansee why you would think that.

Fighting a headache...kinda out of it...sorry.

hope you feel better

 

[Saul_Durian]

No, you didn't, but others have. I was just making a point. Sorry, I should have been more clear.

It's fine And I do agree with ya

 

[Elizabeth619]

Congrats, I know how that goes. You would think it was Christmas at my house whenever my mom got one lol.

And don't worry about going off topic on stuff I post, I fully support ADD conversations

hahahaha

I was in the chat room yesterday and i was accused of being ADD>...maybe i should get tested lol

 

[lil_christian]

God takes lives too. Does that make him wrong?

...For REAL?

Man trying and taking the matter of life and death (such as killing someone or killing themselves) out of God's hand and into their own is WRONG. God is the one who says when we are to go on this earth, and when we die.

 

[lil_christian]

The only time abortion is "right" (even then it's a very sad situation) is if you would die if you didn't do it. Even then aborting the pregnancy might just lead to another issue.

 

[ada]

Did you know?​

Follow Your Heart, it is Smarter Than You Think​

The heart is also the first organ that is being formed in the womb. The rest comes later.​

Though the article may sound a bit esoteric for some reason there is enough to ponder for the thread topic.

by Rebecca Cherry

Recently, Neurophysicists have been astonished to discover that the Heart is more an organ of intelligence, than (merely) the bodies' main pumping station. More than half of the Heart is actually composed of neurons of the very same nature as those that make up the cerebral system. Joseph Chilton-Pearce, author of The Biology of Transcendence, calls it "the major biological apparatus within us and the seat of our greatest intelligence."

The Heart is also the source of the body's strongest electromagnetic field. Each heart cell is unique in that it not only pulsates in synchrony with all the other heart cells, but also produces an electromagnetic signal that radiates out beyond the cell. An EEG that measures brain waves shows that the electromagnetic signals from the heart are so much stronger than brain waves, that a reading of the heart's frequency spectrum can be taken from three feet away from the body...without placing electrodes on it!

The Heart's electromagnetic frequency arcs out from the Heart and back in the form of a torus field. The axis of this Heart torus extends from the pelvic floor to the top of the skull, and the whole field is holographic, meaning that information about it can be read from each and every point in the torus.

The Hearts' torus electromagnetic field is not the only source that emits this type of electromagnetic field. Every atom emits the same torus field. The Earth is also at the center of a torus, so is the solar system and even our galaxy...and all are holographic. Scientists believe there is a good possibility that there is only one universal torus encompassing an infinite number of interacting, holographic tori within its spectrum. Because electromagnetic torus fields are holographic, it is more than likely that the sum total of our Universe is present within the frequency spectrum of a single torus.

This means that each one of us is connected to the entire Universe and as such, can access all the information within it at any given moment. When we get quiet and access what we hold in our Hearts, we are literally connecting to the limitless supply and Wisdom of the Universe, thereby enabling what we perceive as "miracles" to enter into our lives.

...LINK...
Follow Your Heart, it is Smarter Than You Think | Nick Oddo

 

[Shilo]

Jeremiah 2:33-35. Why do you beautify your way to seek love. Therefore you have taught the wicked women your ways. Also on your skirts is found the blood of the lives of innocent. I have not found it by secret search but plainly on all these things. Yet you say I am innocent, Surely his anger shall turnfrom me. Behold, I will plead my case against you, Because you say ,I have not sinned

 

[systemdown101]

Did you know?​

Follow Your Heart, it is Smarter Than You Think​

The heart is also the first organ that is being formed in the womb. The rest comes later.​

Though the article may sound a bit esoteric for some reason there is enough to ponder for the thread topic.

You know what's REALLY interesting? The last two paragraphs in that link that Ada DIDN'T quote:

When we disconnect and shut down the Heart's innate wisdom of Love-based thinking, the ego-based intellect takes over and operates independently of the Heart, and we revert to a survival mentality based on fear, greed, power, and control. In this way, we come to believe that we are separate, our perception of life shifts into one of limitation and scarcity, and one in which we must fight in order to survive. This amazing organ, that we often time ignore, neglect and build walls around, is where we can find our strength, our faith, our courage and our compassion, enabling our higher emotional intelligence that can, if we allow it, guide us through our lives.
We must now switch the gears out of the fear-based mental state that we have been taught to believe in, and move into Heart Centered living. For this transformation to take place, one must learn to meditate, "go into your Heart" and access the inner wisdom of the Universe. It is the only way, it is THE WAY. As each one of us begins this quiet revolution of living from the Heart, we will begin to see it reflected in our lives and in our World. This is how each one of us will create change in the world, create Peace, create Harmony and Balance, and in this way, will we all create the New World Paradigm of Heaven on Earth.

Ada! You just posted a link glorifying The New World Order! Imagine that!

 

[ada]

You know what's REALLY interesting? The last two paragraphs in that link that Ada DIDN'T quote:



Ada! You just posted a link glorifying The New World Order! Imagine that!

Therefor i wrote:

Though the article may sound a bit esoteric for some reason there is enough to ponder for the thread topic.

But that is not the point!

You missed it systemdown101.

But i am afraid you will never understand.

 

[systemdown101]

Therefor i wrote:


But that is not the point!

You missed it systemdown101.

But i am afraid you will never understand.

Esoteric means "understood by or meant for only the select few who have special knowledge or interest". But don't worry Ada, I won't tell everyone you're a proponent of the New World Order. Just as I try not to tell everyone that GC Chesterson was revered by Zionists. Really, I won't.

At least, not too many people.

 

[Helloimandrewyo]

I feel abortion is wrong period. There is passages in the bible, especially the psalm 137 passage, that are for sure head turning. Not exactly the sunday scool version of life we hear about at church. Forgive yourenemies and bash their children against rocks?

I feel that there is rightous anger. There is many cases in the bible where God demanded that all the man, women, children AND livestock be completely wiped off the face of the earth. Even saul decided to keep some of his enemies finest livestock for sacrifices,and he was punished. I think if God commands something like that, then it is for the preservation of life. Maybe one of those children he knew were going to grow up and persecute israel.

In this day and age, i know i don't think mant have the spiritual discernment to understand if God was calling them to kill children. I think thats a pretty extreme case, either way though if God commanded it, i don't see it as abortion. I can't think of any case where he ever commanded them to specifically kill an unborn child. I think God would just allow a misscarry or natural abortion at that point.

My understanding and perception, take it for what it's worth.

 

[ada]

@Helloimandrewyo

And why are most of rabbinical, jewish and yiddish folks support, endorse and promote abortion?

 

[systemdown101]

@Helloimandrewyo

And why are most of rabbinical, jewish and yiddish folks support, endorse and promote abortion?

Well, it appears that you're wrong on this, or as you might say: "Baloney". Jews appear to vary in their opinions politically speaking, sort of like everyone else. From here: WARNING: Attempting to understand that Jews have differing opinions on subjects may be hazardous to the mental health of people who believe Jews think as a groupmind or as a block, such as bigots often do.

In Judaism, views on abortion draw primarily upon the legal and ethical teachings of the Hebrew Bible, the Talmud, the case-by-case decisions of responsa, and other rabbinic literature. In the modern period, moreover, Jewish thinking on abortion has responded both to liberal understandings of personal autonomy as well as Christian opposition to abortion. Generally speaking, observant Jews firmly oppose abortion, with few health-related exceptions, and liberal Jews tend to allow greater latitude for abortion.

Or better yet, here:

As abortion resurfaces as a political issue in the upcoming U.S. presidential election, it is worthwhile to investigate the Jewish approach to the issue. The traditional Jewish view of abortion does not fit conveniently into any of the major "camps" in the current American abortion debate. We neither ban abortion completely, nor do we allow indiscriminate abortion "on demand."

A woman may feel that until the fetus is born, it is a part of her body, and therefore she retains the right to abort an unwanted pregnancy. Does Judaism recognize a right to "choose" abortion? In what situations does Jewish law sanction abortion?

To gain a clear understanding of when abortion is permitted (or even required) and when it is forbidden requires an appreciation of certain nuances of halacha (Jewish law) which govern the status of the fetus.1
The easiest way to conceptualize a fetus in halacha is to imagine it as a full-fledged human being -- but not quite.2 In most circumstances, the fetus is treated like any other "person." Generally, one may not deliberately harm a fetus. But while it would seem obvious that Judaism holds accountable one who purposefully causes a woman to miscarry, sanctions are even placed upon one who strikes a pregnant woman causing an unintentional miscarriage.3 That is not to say that all rabbinical authorities consider abortion to be murder. The fact that the Torah requires a monetary payment for causing a miscarriage is interpreted by some Rabbis to indicate that abortion is not a capital crime4 and by others as merely indicating that one is not executed for performing an abortion, even though it is a type of murder.5 There is even disagreement regarding whether the prohibition of abortion is Biblical or Rabbinic. Nevertheless, it is universally agreed that the fetus will become a full-fledged human being and there must be a very compelling reason to allow for abortion.
As a general rule, abortion in Judaism is permitted only if there is a direct threat to the life of the mother by carrying the fetus to term or through the act of childbirth

Imagine that!

 

[ada]

Cause they as a whole endorse talmudic judaim which allows it...
Therefor!"