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Have you actually gone into the spiritual realm before?
That's code for getting deceived by demons!

When the Lord decides to allow one of His children to have a vision or some other supernatural experience... it is ALWAYS in agreement with what the Lord has already taught in His Word.

One of the oldest tricks the devil uses to get people to believe false doctrine is to give them some feeling, revelation, or vision of some doctrine that is not taught by the Lord in His Word.

Those that don't know and understand this... are ripe for deception like those that believe in purgatory! clueless-doh.gif

I'm simply warning people about false doctrine such as killing one's self dies not cause thenm to go to hell... it does lead straight to hell!
 

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Samson died fighting an enemy of Israel and is listed in the Faith Hall of Fame in the Book of Hebrews.... so the Lord obviously did not count his actions as committing suicide.

Reckon 1 Corinthians 3:16,17 is a lie that some how got sneaked in to God's Word when Jesus wasn't looking?

Why wouldn't we simply accept what God says in His Word? View attachment 257020
Know ye not that ye are a temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man destroyeth the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, and such are ye.





The "you and ye's" are supposedly plural in the original texts "you all", if so it may be referring specifically to attacks against the church body as a whole?

here's one translation that says it that way, don't know how great the new living translation is as a whole though.
Don’t you realize that all of you together are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God lives in you?
 

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as far as I can see scripture is based only on what we percieve to be truth we tae our own views our own understanding our own theology and doctrine this only causes confusion didvision arguments this isn't good enough for me
This is some of the most ridiculous rubbish I've heard, and I've heard a lot. It's not up to you to decide what's good enough and what isn't. You seem to think no one is capable of reading the Bible with an unbiased mind and understanding truth. You must have a very low opinion of the Holy Spirit then because He's the one who teaches and leads into all truth.
 

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sometimes I think cremation. has been a common way to destroy peoples bodies rather than christian burial which is laying to rest our bodies 'to sleep' as it says in the Bible.

I am personally wary of cremation now and dont like going to funerals where people are cremated, but its quite common for christians to do this now. It never used to be like that people would have equated it with going to hell, burning up the body.

Its not just the burning, but totally destorying the bones and grinding them up to a powder or ash of millions of pieces. Flesh decays but bones are meant to be preserved, because in the Bible, the valley of the dry bones those bones come back to life.

I guess many people dont believe that anymore or dont take it so literally.
 

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sometimes I think cremation. has been a common way to destroy peoples bodies rather than christian burial which is laying to rest our bodies 'to sleep' as it says in the Bible.

I am personally wary of cremation now and dont like going to funerals where people are cremated, but its quite common for christians to do this now. It never used to be like that people would have equated it with going to hell, burning up the body.

Its not just the burning, but totally destorying the bones and grinding them up to a powder or ash of millions of pieces. Flesh decays but bones are meant to be preserved, because in the Bible, the valley of the dry bones those bones come back to life.

I guess many people dont believe that anymore or dont take it so literally.
The cost of a Christian burial is beyond many people these days.
 

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Not a chance, it is located in Asia, to the east of Turkey. It is also mentioned in the bible. The ark settled upon the mounts of Ararat. Ararat or Urartu is what the country was called in antiquity, now a days it is known as Armenia.
Good grief... the country of Armenia (SPELLING) has nothing to do with Arminianism..... smh

"Arminianism is named after Jacobus Arminius (1560—1609), a Dutch theologian. "
 

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Good grief... the country of Armenia (SPELLING) has nothing to do with Arminianism..... smh

"Arminianism is named after Jacobus Arminius (1560—1609), a Dutch theologian. "
the poor Armenian people have taken quite a beating on these boards. :cautious:

i think @stilllearning knows the difference, though.
 

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Samson died fighting an enemy of Israel and is listed in the Faith Hall of Fame in the Book of Hebrews.... so the Lord obviously did not count his actions as committing suicide.

Reckon 1 Corinthians 3:16,17 is a lie that some how got sneaked in to God's Word when Jesus wasn't looking?

Why wouldn't we simply accept what God says in His Word? View attachment 257020
I see you and context are not well acquainted.
 

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Good grief... the country of Armenia (SPELLING) has nothing to do with Arminianism..... smh

"Arminianism is named after Jacobus Arminius (1560—1609), a Dutch theologian. "
His direct question was "Is there a country in Europe called Arminia by chance?"

So my reply was just to his question, so I just quoted it so there would be no confusion that was all my reply was in regards to.
 

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i think @stilllearning knows the difference, though.
So my reply was just to his question, so I just quoted it so there would be no confusion that was all my reply was in regards to.
Yes.... I am sure he/she knows the difference.... it was spelled correctly.... (y)(y)
I was directing my comments at the others that took the "country of Arminia" ball and ran with it.... o_O
they don't seem to realize.... spelling matters.... :LOL:
 

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as an aside.... I really miss the pink/blue colored avatar areas in here.... it made it easier to know if you are discussing with a male or female.... I know it probably doesn't matter much to everyone, but I dislike calling someone by the wrong pronoun....

of course, with my "name" and avatar, I'm not likely to be mistaken for a female.
others.....
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So you then do believe a Christian can kill themselves... and they would go to Heaven?

The devil enjoys hearing that people believe this way as this helps his cause of getting as many in to hell as possible.

You must be a Catholic! They believed this for years. Someone who committed suicide couldn’t even be buried in a Catholic cemetery.

I have worked as a chaplain in long term care. I’ve worked on suicide lines, and both Christians and non Christians get depressed!

Depression is caused by low neurotransmitters in the brain, like Serotonin, Dopamine and Norepinephrine. Anti depressants add those endorphins back. If depression is caught early. Antidepressants, with counseling can reverse the depression. If you are depressed for a year, it takes about a year to recover. If you are depressed 2 years, it will take 5 years to recover, meaning no more need for antidepressants. Longer than 5 years, you will need to be on meds the rest of your life.

There are many types of depression. SAD or Seasonal Affective Disorder, is very short, and triggered by low light levels, esp in northern climates. Not every one gets it. When I got SAD, I lived north of Edmonton., with 6 hours of sunlight. A light box can often help.

Situational depression is very common. It’s where you experience a series of losses, and the brain can’t cope. Some examples might be death of a loved one, a job, friends or health. Often through no fault of the person. I run a Rheumatoid Arthritis group with 4000 people on FB. When I used to fill out medical forms to get my biologics, 1/3 of the questions were on mental health- how blue do you feel? How anxious are you? I asked the intake nurse why all the mental health questions and she said that when people get sick with a chronic & painful disease they often become very depressed, in fact 99% if people do. In my group, there are always people depressed and suicidal. Sometimes just u drat and the dynamic of how losing the old you, helps people. More often. They need to seek medical help including counselling. The OP has obviously never been sick a day in his life, or he would have experienced depression, and have some compassion for those who are in a very dark place, even contemplating suicide, if only to stop the pain.

Then there are the more chronic kinds of depression like;
Depression
Depression with psychosis
Bipolar depression
Schizophrenic depression.

These need heavy meds, sometimes hospitalizations to keep them stable. I had a man in a Christian group I ran years ago. He was always posting for prayer., he was suicidal constantly. He was also a believer in Jesus Christ, in spite of his mental health. The members of the group tried so hard to help him. But one time he got delusionally mad, left the group and didn’t return. I pray he is ok!

So that is a brief run down for the OP on depression, which underlies most suicide. Instead of acting as judge & executioner maybe you need to understand and find some compassion for the huge number of people who are like this n
 

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As someone who is chronically ill with multiple painful diseases, I have been depressed. Suicidally depressed. With “a plan.” How to kill myself. And God has helped me through that valley!

When I finally started feeling better, physically. I stopped being depressed. Not being able to get out of the bed in my own, coupled with extreme pain is suicidally depressing. But when I got on meds that worked, I was able to start riding my bike, garden, going to church and get out of a wheelchair. In the early years, if my meds failed, the depression would be overwhelming. I even stopped reading my Bible for 2 years, I was so angry at God. I had Word Faith friends mocking me because I wasn’t healed (they both became deathly ill not long after this. One died of breast cancer, the other had emergency surgery, didn’t die) God told me to read 5 Psalms every day. I did for 2 years. I met all kinds of sad, angry, confused people who loved God in the Psalms. Then, I got on good meds, my marriage was restored (broken marriages can often result where an unwilling partner is forced to become a caregiver!) I found a good Bible based church. Then. God called me to seminary. I met imperfect people, who wanted to serve God. One man was addicted to pornography. He gave his testimony about how the seminary helped him recover. We learned in Pastoral Ministries that many men pastors get involved in doing sermon prep in their offices and get a pop up porn window, and they literally get pulled into that sordid world. Every major denomination in the US has websites specifically for pastors addicted to porn.

Sadly, real people, spirit led Christians do get sick. They lose loved ones, and don’t have the resources to cope. I did papers on mental illness in seminary. Partly, I wanted to understand it. I also wanted some answers as to how to help depressed people, esp those who are physically ill, too. I have been working on a PhD in Disability Theology. I want to help people who are depressed and suicidal. I do not want to judge and condemn them, like this terrible OP. But what does the Bible say about depression and suicide?

"Why am I so depressed?
Why this turmoil within me?
Put your hope in God, for I will still praise Him,
my Savior and my God.
6 I am deeply depressed;" Psalm 42:5 HCSB


Most versions say "cast down" which is right for a direct translation. It is when a sheep falls over on its back, it is cast down - a shepherd's term. It can't get up on its own. If left alone, it will actually die. The shepherd needs to turn the sheep over, onto its feet. What a lovely picture of what our heavenly Shepherd does for us! When we are cast down by the troubles and trials of life, we can call out to God, and put our hope in him. We can praise him in the storm!

Sadly, a lot of people in the modern church don't know this. God is there in the fire, the flood and famine.

“Fear not, for I have redeemed you;
I have called you by name, you are mine.
2 When you pass through the waters, I will be with you;
and through the rivers, they shall not overwhelm you;
when you walk through fire you shall not be burned,
and the flame shall not consume you.
3 For I am the Lord your God,
the Holy One of Israel, your Saviour." Isa. 43:1b, 2, 3a.


Christians do get depressed. Pastors get depressed, too! And some people don't have the breadth of Biblical knowledge, the deep theological understanding that God will never leave or forsake them. They have been taught they have to work for their salvation, and if they do not, they will lose it. That means if they sin, any sin, they are always in danger of losing their salvation. That is all this OP really is. It is bad theology telling people that they alone are responsible for their salvation, and if they commit suicide, no matter the reasons, it is too big a sin for God to forgive. But, God saved us before the foundation of the world, and not by works, but by his grace!

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, 4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love 5 he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, 6 to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. 7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, 8 which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight 9 making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ 10 as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth." Eph. 1:3-9

"For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them." Eph. 2:8-10

Not of works! God already knew what our actions would be, because God is above time. Yet he chose us before the foundation of the world! That makes me want to love, serve and obey God more. That he chose a wretch like me! And God will not leave or forsake us.

"I will never leave you, and I will never abandon you." Hebrews 13:5; from Deut 31:6,8.

A promise in the Old Testament and the New Testament. It doesn't say "as long as you behave I won't abandon you." It doesn't say, "I'm never going to leave and abandon you, unless you get depressed or commit suicide." In fact, the entire Bible is the good news, that Jesus came to die for our sins - that includes depression and suicide. And suicide is a sin. We should fight to live. But, we do not go to hell, in that last hour when life on earth has become a hell. No, God remains with us. God chose us, he did not make a mistake.

Basically, this whole thread by Jimmy has been based on faulty theology. It assumes that we make the choice to cut ourselves off from God's love. But that is not true! God is love. He will never abandon us, and certainly not when we are in deepest depression, sadness and/or grief. I pray Jimmy never has to cope with major loss that throws his life into total chaos and confusion. Some people don't go through that. As someone who has, and clings to God, I'll give you the verse God gave me during a bad med failure, when I was back in bed, in agony.

"Not only that, but we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, 4 and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, 5 and hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us." Romans 5:3-5

God does not cast out the Christian. He understands depression and suicide better than we do. He is there, even in the midst of the wrong decision to commit suicide. I want to encourage anyone reading this post who is suffering from depression, and even has a plan, to seek medical help and spiritual counselling. My husband was depressed for 25 years after his father died in a skiing accident my husband was in at age 15, where he survived, but his father did not. He had enormous survivor guilt, but he thought as a Christian it was wrong to get help for his endless grief and depression. I was finally able to convince him to go on antidepressants. He came home from work one day, and told me he could do his work. He literally was living in a depressive fog, and could not think. He's on those pills forever, but he never wants to go back to that miserable, foggy serious depression. I've learned the skills so I don't get depressed if a med fails and I end up in bed/wheelchair. That is even a bigger trick. To be chronically in pain or ill, to know you will never get better, and still love life and God? Those people have developed true character, with the help of the Holy Spirit. I'm lucky and God keeps giving me more chances to keep loving him, and sharing the truth that Jesus is our saviour, and died on the cross for our sins. We only need to believe and repent!

"Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved." Romans 10:9-10

Please send me a message if you are depressed or suicidal and need help. I am not a certified counsellor, but I have had courses in counselling from seminary and I have been through it myself. God has helped me out the other side. I have been able to point a lot of people in the right direction. And while God does not abandon those who kill themselves, that is not God's plan for our lives, ever! God wants us to choose life, not death. No matter how dark the clouds, how terrible the circumstances, or how bad the sin, God is in the business of helping us all to be conformed to the image of his son. And that means living now, and with help, climbing out of that pit of sadness and depression. And that is a good thing!

"And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers." Romans 8:29
 

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Very sensitive topic that has been raised here in a very insensitive manor,

I am appalled by the lack of empathy shown by the author of this thread,

I just wonder if the author of this thread could answer honesty if he views suicide as murder.

Because how can a person who has commited suicide who's mental well being was unfit be tried for murder, or has there ever been a case in history where someone who attempted suicide got charged with attempted murder.

Would the author of this thread put him self above every court of law in this world ?.
 
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I see you and context are not well acquainted.
I see accepting what the Lord says... is not something you are interested in.
That's too bad for you, and the consequences will be felt for eternity!



Good grief... the country of Armenia (SPELLING) has nothing to do with Arminianism..... smh

"Arminianism is named after Jacobus Arminius (1560—1609), a Dutch theologian. "
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That's hilarious! I said this as a joke and I's funny that others took it seriously! laughing4.gif laughing7.gif


As someone who is chronically ill with multiple painful diseases, I have been depressed. Suicidally depressed. With “a plan.” How to kill myself. And God has helped me through that valley!
Actually, that would be one of satan's demons helping you plan to kill yourself.

If you go thru with it.... it will be the worst mistake you ever make and it will not be reversible.



Would the author of this thread put him self above every court of law in this world ?.
Wrong question!

The question should be why would anyone want to oppose the Lord and destroy themselves causing the Lord to have to destroy them as He said He would do?

And like I said earlier... if one really really believed suicide was the pathway to go to Heaven... they would have already whacked themselves and wouldn't be here gawkin about it. They'd be be gone already.

Kinda goes to show they don't really believe suicide is OK
 

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That's hilarious! I said this as a joke and I's funny that others took it seriously!
No, that's funny.... you sure sounded serious to everyone else on this thread... now that you've been shown to be ignorant, you backpedal? Funny....
And like I said earlier... if one really really believed suicide was the pathway to go to Heaven...
what a self-serving idiot you are! NOBODY has ever said that.... you are the only person off-kilter enough to even come up with that kind of thinking...
I am beginning to think you need professional help....
 
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you've been shown to be ignorant, you backpedal? Funny....
That's even more hilarious! You are too slow to get the joke! laughing.gif

Don't give up bud, someday you'll eventually get some intelligence... maybe... we'll have to see...



NOBODY has ever said that
Actually if you would have paid attention you would have noticed that some of the nation's popular teachers have come out and actually said that if a Christian whack themselves they go to Heaven.

You gotta keep up and pay attention man!
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I see accepting what the Lord says... is not something you are interested in.
That's too bad for you, and the consequences will be felt for eternity!



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Actually, that would be one of satan's demons helping you plan to kill yourself.

If you go thru with it.... it will be the worst mistake you ever make and it will not be reversible.





Wrong question!

The question should be why would anyone want to oppose the Lord and destroy themselves causing the Lord to have to destroy them as He said He would do?

And like I said earlier... if one really really believed suicide was the pathway to go to Heaven... they would have already whacked themselves and wouldn't be here gawkin about it. They'd be be gone already.

Kinda goes to show they don't really believe suicide is OK
you still have evaded the question.

Has any person through out history ever been charged with attempted murder when such person has attempted to commit suicide.
 

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Yes.... I am sure he/she knows the difference.... it was spelled correctly.... (y)(y)
I was directing my comments at the others that took the "country of Arminia" ball and ran with it.... o_O
they don't seem to realize.... spelling matters.... :LOL:
sometimes i'm feeling mischievous and want to bring the designer Armani into it, but then i say, ellie, behave yourself! :D
 

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sometimes i'm feeling mischievous and want to bring the designer Armani into it, but then i say, ellie, behave yourself! :D
So, Armani, who lives in Armenia, is an Arminian, theologically...... not confusing at all! :ROFL:

edit: he probably sips on an Armagnac after supper....