According to some God can't tell time!

[Timeline]

1 Kings 19:11-14
[SUP]11 [/SUP]So He said, “Go forth and stand on the mountain before the Lord.” And behold, the Lord was passing by! And a great and strong wind was rending the mountains and breaking in pieces the rocks before the Lord; but the Lord was not in the wind. And after the wind an earthquake, but the Lord was not in the earthquake. [SUP]12 [/SUP]After the earthquake a fire, but the Lord was not in the fire; and after the fire a sound of a gentle blowing. [SUP]13 [/SUP]When Elijah heard it, he wrapped his face in his mantle and went out and stood in the entrance of the cave. And behold, a voice came to him and said, “What are you doing here, Elijah?” [SUP]14 [/SUP]Then he said, “I have been very zealous for the Lord, the God of hosts; for the sons of Israel have forsaken Your covenant, torn down Your altars and killed Your prophets with the sword. And I alone am left; and they seek my life, to take it away.”

It says that the Lord wasn't in the strong wind, the earthquake, or the fire, but He was in the gentle breeze. Yes, I know this was a previous time, but there is often foreshadowing in the bible. And I must mention that Elijah was at the transfiguration. Not only that, but Jesus suggest that Elijah will come again. Perhaps we missed the coming of the Lord because it was a gentle breeze.


Matthew 17:11-13[SUP]11 [/SUP]And He answered and said, “Elijah is coming and will restore all things; [SUP]12 [/SUP]but I say to you that Elijah already came, and they did not recognize him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.” [SUP]13 [/SUP]Then the disciples understood that He had spoken to them about John the Baptist.

Matthew 11:14 And if you are willing to accept it, John himself is Elijah who was to come.

If Jesus meant that Elijah was going to come again, who was he when he came again? I mean in the power and spirit of Elijah. Perhaps it is just a translation problem. I don't know.

 

[crossnote]

Ezekiel 12:28 Therefore say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God, “None of My words will be delayed any longer. Whatever word I speak will be performed,”’” declares the Lord God.

Daniel 8:26
“The vision of the evenings and mornings Which has been told is true; But keep the vision secret, For it pertains to many days in the future.”


Daniel 12:4
But as for you, Daniel, conceal these words and seal up the book until the end of time; many will go back and forth, and knowledge will increase.”


Daniel 12:9
He said, “Go your way, Daniel, for these words are concealed and sealed up until the end time.


Revelation 22:10
And he *said to me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near.

Ezekiel 12:28 is a good example that God's 'soon' is not necessarily ours.

 

[damombomb]

And swore by him that lives for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:Rev10:6

 

[crossnote]

1 Kings 19:11-14
[SUP]11 [/SUP]So He said, “Go forth and stand on the mountain before the Lord.” And behold, the Lord was passing by! And a great and strong wind was rending the mountains and breaking in pieces the rocks before the Lord; but the Lord was not in the wind. And after the wind an earthquake, but the Lord was not in the earthquake. [SUP]12 [/SUP]After the earthquake a fire, but the Lord was not in the fire; and after the fire a sound of a gentle blowing. [SUP]13 [/SUP]When Elijah heard it, he wrapped his face in his mantle and went out and stood in the entrance of the cave. And behold, a voice came to him and said, “What are you doing here, Elijah?” [SUP]14 [/SUP]Then he said, “I have been very zealous for the Lord, the God of hosts; for the sons of Israel have forsaken Your covenant, torn down Your altars and killed Your prophets with the sword. And I alone am left; and they seek my life, to take it away.”

It says that the Lord wasn't in the strong wind, the earthquake, or the fire, but He was in the gentle breeze. Yes, I know this was a previous time, but there is often foreshadowing in the bible. And I must mention that Elijah was at the transfiguration. Not only that, but Jesus suggest that Elijah will come again. Perhaps we missed the coming of the Lord because it was a gentle breeze.


Matthew 17:11-13[SUP]11 [/SUP]And He answered and said, “Elijah is coming and will restore all things; [SUP]12 [/SUP]but I say to you that Elijah already came, and they did not recognize him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.” [SUP]13 [/SUP]Then the disciples understood that He had spoken to them about John the Baptist.

Matthew 11:14 And if you are willing to accept it, John himself is Elijah who was to come.

If Jesus meant that Elijah was going to come again, who was he when he came again? I mean in the power and spirit of Elijah. Perhaps it is just a translation problem. I don't know.

If the Lord already came, what's next on the prophetic agenda?

 

[Rachel20]

So what would you say about these verses from the OT, before Jesus was born, talking about the Day of the Lord?

Isaiah 13:6

6 Howl ye; for the day of the Lord is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty

Ezekiel 30:3
3 For the day is near,
the day of the Lord is near;
it will be a day of clouds,
a time of doom forthe nations.


Joel 1:15

15 Alas for the day!
bFor the day of the Lord is near,
and as destruction from the Almighty3 it comes.


Joel 2:1

2 jBlow a trumpet in kZion;sound an alarm on kmy holy mountain!Let all the inhabitants of the land tremble,for lthe day of the Lord is coming; it is near,

Joel 3:14

4 Multitudes, multitudes,in the valley of decision!For bthe day of the Lord is nearin the valley of decision.


obadiah 15:1

For wthe day of the Lord is near upon all the nations.xAs you have done, it shall be done to you;your deeds shall return on your own head.

Zephaniah 1:7

Be silent before the Lord God!For nthe day of the Lord is near;othe Lord has prepared a sacrificeand pconsecrated his guests.


Zephaniah 1:14

The great day of the Lord is near,near and hastening fast;the sound of the day of the Lord is bitter;ethe mighty man cries aloud there.
​

There's an anticipation and nearness with these passages as well. As you know Jesus , was born 700 years after the time of Isaiah.

(Oh and I think God doesn't need to keep time. His time is the perfect time.)​

 

[john832]

And swore by him that lives for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:Rev10:6

Actually, this si one of the places that the KJV falls down. A better rendering is...

Rev 10:6 and swore by Him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and the things that are in it, the earth and the things that are in it, and the sea and the things that are in it, that there should be delay no longer,

 

[Timeline]

And swore by him that lives for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:Rev10:6

[SUP]6 [/SUP]and swore by Him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and the things in it, and the earth and the things in it, and the sea and the things in it, that there will be delay no longer,

If you are going to challenge it, you should use the greek instead of just another translation.

(NIV) [SUP]6 [/SUP]And he swore by him who lives for ever and ever, who created the heavens and all that is in them, the earth and all that is in it, and the sea and all that is in it, and said, “There will be no more delay!

(KJV) [SUP]6 [/SUP]And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:

(NKJV) [SUP]6 [/SUP]and swore by Him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and the things that are in it, the earth and the things that are in it, and the sea and the things that are in it, that there should be delay no longer,

(ESV) [SUP]6 [/SUP]and swore by him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and what is in it, the earth and what is in it, and the sea and what is in it, that there would be no more delay,

Maybe in the New New King James Version they will get it right.

 

[Timeline]

[SUP]6 [/SUP]and swore by Him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and the things in it, and the earth and the things in it, and the sea and the things in it, that there will be delay no longer,

If you are going to challenge it, you should use the greek instead of just another translation.

(NIV) [SUP]6 [/SUP]And he swore by him who lives for ever and ever, who created the heavens and all that is in them, the earth and all that is in it, and the sea and all that is in it, and said, “There will be no more delay!

(KJV) [SUP]6 [/SUP]And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:

(NKJV) [SUP]6 [/SUP]and swore by Him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and the things that are in it, the earth and the things that are in it, and the sea and the things that are in it, that there should be delay no longer,

(ESV) [SUP]6 [/SUP]and swore by him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and what is in it, the earth and what is in it, and the sea and what is in it, that there would be no more delay,

Maybe in the New New King James Version they will get it right.

Yes, I realize the hypocrisy. But I don't know the greek. All I can do is quote multiple translations. Maybe someone else, that actually knows greek (not someone that is just playing with the Strong's) can give us a breakdown.

 

[Timeline]

If the Lord already came, what's next on the prophetic agenda?

How should I know, did I ever say that I am a prophet? We need to be humble servants of our Lord. Why do you need more prophecy? Jesus was the answer. I don't see how anyone could need more than Jesus. How does Jesus and the Apostles fulfilling all prophecy (or at least most of it (just in case I missed something)) take any hope away from us. Actually, if He poured out wrath like that on the Israelites, then I would say that if the love of Jesus wasn't enough to get us inspired, then the wrath that we see directed onto Israel should be enough. Though I would say that love based action would be better than just fear based action.

 

[Timeline]

So what would you say about these verses from the OT, before Jesus was born, talking about the Day of the Lord?

Isaiah 13:6

6 Howl ye; for the day of the Lord is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty

Ezekiel 30:3
3 For the day is near,
the day of the Lord is near;
it will be a day of clouds,
a time of doom forthe nations.


Joel 1:15

15 Alas for the day!
bFor the day of the Lord is near,
and as destruction from the Almighty3 it comes.


Joel 2:1

2 jBlow a trumpet in kZion;sound an alarm on kmy holy mountain!Let all the inhabitants of the land tremble,for lthe day of the Lord is coming; it is near,

Joel 3:14

4 Multitudes, multitudes,in the valley of decision!For bthe day of the Lord is nearin the valley of decision.


obadiah 15:1

For wthe day of the Lord is near upon all the nations.xAs you have done, it shall be done to you;your deeds shall return on your own head.

Zephaniah 1:7

Be silent before the Lord God!For nthe day of the Lord is near;othe Lord has prepared a sacrificeand pconsecrated his guests.


Zephaniah 1:14

The great day of the Lord is near,near and hastening fast;the sound of the day of the Lord is bitter;ethe mighty man cries aloud there.
​

There's an anticipation and nearness with these passages as well. As you know Jesus , was born 700 years after the time of Isaiah.

(Oh and I think God doesn't need to keep time. His time is the perfect time.)​

Bible in Chronological Order:

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[TD]Day 23[/TD]
[TD]2 Kings 1-2, 6-7, 11-12[/TD]
[TD]Elijah, Elisha, Kings[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Day 24[/TD]
[TD]2 Chronicles 24-26[/TD]
[TD]Kings[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Day 25[/TD]
[TD]Joel 2, Jonah 1, Amos 3, Micah 1-2[/TD]
[TD]Prophecies[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Day 26[/TD]
[TD]Isaiah 1-2, 6, Hosea 1-4[/TD]
[TD]Prophecies[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Day 27[/TD]
[TD]2 Kings 17-20, 2 Chronicles 29-32[/TD]
[TD]Hezekiah[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Day 28[/TD]
[TD]Isaiah 40 and 52-55[/TD]
[TD]Consolation of Israel[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Day 29[/TD]
[TD]2 Kings 21-23, 2 Chronicles 33-35[/TD]
[TD]Manasseh, Josiah[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Day 30[/TD]
[TD]Nahum 1, Zephaniah 3, Jeremiah 1-5, Habakkuk 1[/TD]
[TD]Prophecies[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Day 31[/TD]
[TD]Ezekiel 1-3, 18, and 33, Lamentations 3, Obadiah[/TD]
[TD]Fall of Jerusalem[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Day 32[/TD]
[TD]Daniel 1-2, 4-6[/TD]
[TD]Daniel[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Day 33[/TD]
[TD]Ezra 3, 6-7, Haggai, Zechariah 1-2[/TD]
[TD]Return, rebuilding of Jerusalem[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Day 34[/TD]
[TD]Esther 1-4, 7-8[/TD]
[TD]Story of Esther[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Day 35[/TD]
[TD]Nehemiah 1-2, 4, and 6[/TD]
[TD]Rebuilding the wall[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Day 36[/TD]
[TD]Malachi[/TD]
[TD]Last Old Testament prophecies[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


I would suggest you look at the chronological order to see if it is possible that those books you quoted where written before of after Ezekiel. From what I can tell they were either close or before.

 

[servantotehmosthigh]

How can people say that God cannot tell time when He in fact, created time.
(Gen 1:14) And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
The luminaries were created in the earth for signs and to tell time. The ancients counted their shadows and looked at the position of the sun and moon to know the time in day and in night. For example, the sun always rises in the east and sets in the west. The time was counted in parts.
(Dan 7:25) And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

It was man who thought to change time. No one but God can change time for the luminaries are used for time.

(2Pe 3:8) But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

One day to the Lord is a thousand years, so we can not be literal with the time the Most High describes when things shall happen. Therefore it took 6000 years for the Most High to create the earth. Adam only lived up to one day or a little less than one thousand years. Christ is to be expected back after 2 days or two thousand years after his death.

(Hos 6:2) After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

 

[Timeline]

Chronological Bible Reading Plan (www.esv.org/biblereadingplans)
Copyright ©Back to the Bible (www.backtothebible.org).
Jul 16 Isa 13‐17 Jul 17 Isa 18‐22 Jul 18 Isa 23‐27
Jul 19 2 Kgs 18:1‐8, 2 Chr 29‐31, Ps 48 Jul 20 Hos 1‐7
Jul 21 Hos 8‐14 Jul 22 Isa 28‐30 Jul 23 Isa 31‐34
Jul 24 Isa 35‐36 Jul 25 Isa 37‐39, Ps 76 Jul 26 Isa 40‐43
Jul 27 Isa 44‐48 Jul 28 2 Kgs 18:9‐19:37, Ps 46, Ps 80, Ps 135
Jul 29 Isa 49‐53 Jul 30 Isa 54‐58 Jul 31 Isa 59‐63 Aug 1 Isa 64‐66
Aug 2 2 Kgs 20‐21 Aug 3 2 Chr 32‐33 Aug 4 Nahum 1‐3
Aug 5 2 Kgs 22‐23, 2 Chr 34‐35 Aug 6 Zeph 1‐3 Aug 7 Jer 1‐3
Aug 8 Jer 4‐6 Aug 9 Jer 7‐9 Aug 10 Jer 10‐13 Aug 11 Jer 14‐17
Aug 12 Jer 18‐22 Aug 13 Jer 23‐25 Aug 14 Jer 26‐29 Aug 15 Jer 30‐31
Aug 16 Jer 32‐34 Aug 17 Jer 35‐37 Aug 18 Jer 38‐40, Ps 74, Ps 79
Aug 19 2 Kgs 24‐25, 2 Chr 36 Aug 20 Hab 1‐3 Aug 21 Jer 41‐45
Aug 22 Jer 46‐48 Aug 23 Jer 49‐50 Aug 24 Jer 51‐52 Aug 25
Lam 1:1‐3:36 Aug 26 Lam 3:37‐5:22 Aug 27 Ezek 1‐4 Aug 28 Ezek 5‐8
Aug 29 Ezek 9‐12 Aug 30 Ezek 13‐15 Aug 31 Ezek 16‐17 Sep 1 Ezek 18‐19
Sep 2 Ezek 20‐21 Sep 3 Ezek 22‐23 Sep 4 Ezek 24‐27 Sep 5 Ezek 28‐31
Sep 6 Ezek 32‐34 Sep 7 Ezek 35‐37 Sep 8 Ezek 38‐39 Sep 9 Ezek 40‐41
Sep 10 Ezek 42‐43 Sep 11 Ezek 44‐45 Sep 12 Ezek 46‐48 Sep 13 Joel 1‐3
Sep 14 Dan 1‐3 Sep 15 Dan 4‐6 Sep 16 Dan 7‐9 Sep 17 Dan 10‐12
Sep 18 Ezra 1‐3 Sep 19 Ezra 4‐6, Ps 137 Sep 20 Hag 1‐2 Sep 21 Zech 1‐7
Sep 22 Zech 8‐14 Sep 23 Est 1‐5 Sep 24 Est 6‐10 Sep 25 Ezra 7‐10
Sep 26 Neh 1‐5 Sep 27 Neh 6‐7 Sep 28 Neh 8‐10 Sep 29 Neh 11‐13, Ps 126
Sep 30 Mal 1‐4


Sorry Obadiah was higher than I thought so I cut it off. Joel seems to be the only one in question according to this chronology. But 400 years is hardly 2,000.

 

[prove-all]

God made the clock, how can it be wrong.

man gets it wrong.

he is looking for the wrong sign in the wrong place.


brothers in christ please understand theres more then one generation.

one more time i will point this out.

adam to now is an age

but adam to noah
noah to veil
veil to return

are all different

that veil seperated two ages

jesus age was ending at death

he told the next generation that they would live in after veil

this generation will not end till all fullfiled


a generation is an age or era.


from veil to second comming is only one generation

so go back and reaply age or generation in the right light

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Oh I just love posting this chapter for you brother Larryus. Seems Apostle Peter all ready covers the topic of time and our little eschatological themed discussions quite well.

My personal opinion is God doesn't just tell time, He created and thus is rightful owner and Time is nothing compared to God because Jesus lives forever. Futurist or Eternalist? Isms be isms though lol, maybe we should just be Watchers instead therefore like Jesus and Peter and many others suggest.

Peter 2:3

3 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
[SUP]16 [/SUP]As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

 

[Rachel20]

I would suggest you look at the chronological order to see if it is possible that those books you quoted where written before of after Ezekiel. From what I can tell they were either close or before.

Sorry Obadiah was higher than I thought so I cut it off. Joel seems to be the only one in question according to this chronology. But 400 years is hardly 2,000.

All those verses were referring to the Day of the Lord but thanks for posting the chronological orders.

I am not too sure about how much time has passed between the prophecy and from the time of birth, but if you say its 400 years, you would consider that near?

I am awaiting Larry's response, because though I am not very well versed with some of the eschatology views, he did come strongly against futuristic interpretations, putting them across as false prophets who infer the apostles as false.

Yep, we have people - "futurologists" effectively claiming God can't tell time.

They claim when God through his prophets and apostles made time statements he didn't mean what he said and these statements can be elasticized into what ever theology suits your futuristic fulfillment can dream up...
........


But the "futurologist" have to ignore how human beings understand time statements and play hanky panky with language.

Not only that, they are inferring that these inspired apostolic writers are false prophets warning of imminencey where none existed.
.........

Hardly likely, the only conclusion left is that those denying the imminencey of the apostles statements are at best not understanding those statements and at worst are false prophets themselves.

......
I'll take Jesus' and the apostles words over some desperate looking futurist "theology" that ignores context and makes false prophets out of the apostles.

 

[Larry_Stotle]

All those verses were referring to the Day of the Lord but thanks for posting the chronological orders.

I am not too sure about how much time has passed between the prophecy and from the time of birth, but if you say its 400 years, you would consider that near?

I am awaiting Larry's response, because though I am not very well versed with some of the eschatology views, he did come strongly against futuristic interpretations, putting them across as false prophets who infer the apostles as false.

What you want me to do is your homework for you - you need to look into the context of those verses you quoted and figure out when they were fulfilled - most relate to events not long after that were prophesied not hundreds of years and not thousands for the NT prophecies.

When I have time I may respond to each in turn.

 

[tarzan]

Larry: what is our hope? Where is the end of suffering? If all things are fulfilled, then why is there so much chaos and falling away?

You are a further witness against your own teaching. Because if all things were complete, and the Kingdom of God had fully manifested, then do you think you would have to tell us? Would we not know by reason of being perfect in a perfect creation? You would not have to teach Christ crucified if the Kingdom had already fully manifested! And you see how since the beginning of time, God has always had a prophecy for us; a statement of what will happen next. Even from the beginning, God told Adam what will come to pass if he ate from that tree. And then God spoke prophecy against the serpent, and the woman, and the man; and always for the woman and the man, that their salvation would come. And every step of the way since always a word is given for guidance and hope. If there is no prophecy, there is no hope and no guidance. If all things are complete, then this argument could not possibly exist. Please stop attacking the hope of truth and those that hold it in obedience. I'm tired of your mocking and attacks, especially since you are in error. But I think if one finds themselves constantly making light of others and attacking their intelligence, not because you are grieved, but because you are hurtful, then obviously you are found in error. Stop it, forever. That is a word of time for you. Then you will be contributing to the perfect world that you claim already exists.

 

[Larry_Stotle]

Listen up Tarzan stay out of my threads - you are on my ignore list for a reason - I don't want to hear from you. This is the second time I've asked you to stay away - you are now at the cyber harassment stage.

NO means NO, IGNORE means IGNORE.

If I have to contact a mod or admin to issue you a posting suspension I will.

No further warnings.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

Listen up Tarzan stay out of my threads - you are on my ignore list for a reason - I don't want to hear from you. This is the second time I've asked you to stay away - you are now at the cyber harassment stage.

NO means NO, IGNORE means IGNORE.

If I have to contact a mod or admin to issue you a posting suspension I will.

No further warnings.

you don't get to decide who posts on your threads...and if you actually do have someone on ignore then there is no reason why their posts should bother you any more...

disagreeing with you and saying things you don't want to hear is not 'cyber harassment'

 

[Timeline]

Larry: what is our hope? Where is the end of suffering? If all things are fulfilled, then why is there so much chaos and falling away?

You are a further witness against your own teaching. Because if all things were complete, and the Kingdom of God had fully manifested, then do you think you would have to tell us? Would we not know by reason of being perfect in a perfect creation? You would not have to teach Christ crucified if the Kingdom had already fully manifested! And you see how since the beginning of time, God has always had a prophecy for us; a statement of what will happen next. Even from the beginning, God told Adam what will come to pass if he ate from that tree. And then God spoke prophecy against the serpent, and the woman, and the man; and always for the woman and the man, that their salvation would come. And every step of the way since always a word is given for guidance and hope. If there is no prophecy, there is no hope and no guidance. If all things are complete, then this argument could not possibly exist. Please stop attacking the hope of truth and those that hold it in obedience. I'm tired of your mocking and attacks, especially since you are in error. But I think if one finds themselves constantly making light of others and attacking their intelligence, not because you are grieved, but because you are hurtful, then obviously you are found in error. Stop it, forever. That is a word of time for you. Then you will be contributing to the perfect world that you claim already exists.

It is interesting that in the very post that you say the kingdom would be perfect that you mention the Garden of Eden. Even in the Garden, Adam and Eve were capable of sinning.