Adam and Eve, communication, in the garden before sin entered the world

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collective

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When God made Adam, before God made Eve these were Gods instructions to Adam, simply and plainly
Genesis 2:16 And the LORD GOD commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Eve was made for his helpmeet but when it came for Eve and Satan to confront this was her understanding of the instruction of the command which God gave Adam, The instructions Adam would have passed on to her which I thought was very interesting on how she worded it and look at the comparison,

Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD GOD had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
Genesis 3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the trees of the garden :
Genesis 3:3 But of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.


What was Adams communication to her such a loose way of understanding it especially after she was quoting God hath said, when confronted with the serpent (the devil) 3:15, (and the prophesy of Jesus conquering Satan) I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; and it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heal it would have been vital that she understood the command exactly to quote it back to the serpent the way God had said it to Adam, then Adams sin would not have birthed into the world, well at least not in that scenario,....... consequently

1 Timothy 2:13 Adam was first formed, then Eve

1 Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
King James Authorised Version

I’ve had a lot of personal lessons from this that God has opened my heart eyes and understanding legalism in churches, not letting someone’s words the be all and end all when it comes to the truth about God or anything to do with taking someone’s word about a person ill speaking and making it my own so I thought Id like to share this with my beloved brothers and sisters in Christ God bless
 
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It would appear that you are inferring things not necessarily implied by the text or context. The scripture is clear that she was deceived. This is the result of Satan's lies. The scripture does not indict Adam with her sin.
 
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I don't understand why Eve gets it so tough. She was decieved, she was the first person to encounter a lie, and she had no concept of what a lie was. Adam, however, was not decieved, he didn't require any kind of lie or justification to eat the apple, he just did it because she told him to, yet Eve is the one held in higher disdain...
 
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Well many scholars believed that the story was used to justify sexism, especially by the time of Paul. It seems to me that Adam's sin was greater since he ate of the tree knowing what he was doing. Also, that's hardly the only passage where Paul seems to be implying that women are somehow inferior, despite other passages where he says all are equal in Christ.
 
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I thought I was being fair to both sexes not putting flack in case I got a show down of sexist oppinions, what I dont understand is why she didnt quote out what adam was told by God when when sin hadnt entered the world yet, If Adam just told he the way she said it, It was neglectfulness on his behalf in this perfect little world they were living in
 
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Eve is not held in higher disdain. Eve is not held as inferior. But there has to be order. God made Adam first, Eve sinned first.

The whole concept of sin and death upon the human race is laid at Adam's feet not Eve's. Jesus is even referred to as the 2nd Adam, not the 2nd Eve.
 

pickles

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Another interesting point is that { the fruit of this tree gave the KNOWLEDGE of good and evil} . So does this mean that Adam and Eve were inocent of sin by no Knowledge of it before eating the fruit? Yet probably sinned before the fruit but were free by the fact that they did not know of sin? But once they ate the fruit the knowlage of sin , is what convicted them. What do you think? Was it the act or the knowladge, or simply the act that gave them the knowledge? God bless, pickles
 

iwant2serve

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Intreing views I must say. This may help clear somethings. God's word was given to Adam directly and Even indirectly. As it is to us also most times indirectly as in some ones translation. Yet it still holds the same judgement, it is still the Word of God. Even though Eve had not incountered a lie as we read it she knew the truth I would believe. Even as we know the truth Satan can still con us into excepting his lies I heard some one say it was Adams love for Eve that he bit of the forbidden fruit as to not loose his companion. So I conclude that they both disobeyed God's Word knowing the truth. Does not matter how you get the truth direct ot indirect, it is still the truth. Disobedience is just that not obeying and God hates that.
 
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What do you think life would be like had they not eaten the apple? I'm sure someone would have screwed it up sooner or later, but it's interesting to think of how things would have been if we had remained sinless. Jesus would never have had to die for us. We wouldn't know war, or pain, or strife.
 
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When God made Adam, before God made Eve these were Gods instructions to Adam, simply and plainly
Genesis 2:16 And the LORD GOD commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Eve was made for his helpmeet but when it came for Eve and Satan to confront this was her understanding of the instruction of the command which God gave Adam, The instructions Adam would have passed on to her which I thought was very interesting on how she worded it and look at the comparison,

Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD GOD had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
Genesis 3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the trees of the garden :
Genesis 3:3 But of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.


What was Adams communication to her such a loose way of understanding it especially after she was quoting God hath said, when confronted with the serpent (the devil) 3:15, (and the prophesy of Jesus conquering Satan) I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; and it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heal it would have been vital that she understood the command exactly to quote it back to the serpent the way God had said it to Adam, then Adams sin would not have birthed into the world, well at least not in that scenario,....... consequently

1 Timothy 2:13 Adam was first formed, then Eve

1 Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
King James Authorised Version

I’ve had a lot of personal lessons from this that God has opened my heart eyes and understanding legalism in churches, not letting someone’s words the be all and end all when it comes to the truth about God or anything to do with taking someone’s word about a person ill speaking and making it my own so I thought Id like to share this with my beloved brothers and sisters in Christ God bless
How do you not know that Adam maybe instructed Eve exactly the way God had instructed him?...we do not know as the Bible does not tell us, but I'm pretty sure he did because when I tell my wife something she sometimes gets it all screwed up! :p
 
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ALL THESE RESPONSES ARE GREAT AND HAS CLARIFIED CERTAIN THINGS I NEVER THOUGHT OF i APPRECIATE YOUR PERSONAL OPPINIONS
 

pickles

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Something I wondered about, before Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowladge of good and evil they were obedient to God. By eating from the tree they came to know good from evil. Was the act of eating the change to free will by sin? Or because of free will that they were able to sin? A sort of what came first the chicken or the egg? God bless, pickles
 
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