First, I ALWAYS comment on what the verses say. But I have the politeness to post the actual verse, so anyone reading can compare immediately if my "interpretation" is true, or out to lunch. Second, sometimes the Bible says it SO CLEARLY, like in the case of the Old Covenant being obsolete, extinct, gone, there is no reason to comment. Interpreting, for me is a BAD word. Because, it is all about me. My opinions! Now, exegeting, looking into the words, in Greek or Hebrew, but also using good hermeneutical practices, which you are clueless about, is a better way to discuss the Bible.
You are practicing eisigesis. That means, you start with an idea "The Torah sacrifices are returning to the 4th Temple, when it is built" and then grabbing a bunch of disassociated verses to prove your point. It comes from Greek - eis, meaning "into" as in "reading into."
Proper hermeneutics uses exegesis. That means, you go to the Bible first, and see what comes out of the text, using the whole bible as your background. Ex comes from exo, meaning "out." Thus, you take OUT of the verses what they say, instead of reading into it your opinion and interpretation.
Got it? You are practicing bad hermeneutics, which only makes sense since you have drawn such totally wrong conclusion.
But I want to address your posting reams of Bible addresses, versus posting the actual verses WITH their addresses.
Here are some excellent verses which PROVE that animal sacrifices are not necessary!
Gen. 12:10, 34:3; Exodus 14:9, 14; Lev. 20:2, 22:5, 19, 24; Numbers 4:25, Deut. 6:6, 30:18, Joshua 9:12; 1 Sam. 15:22; 1 Kings 22:8; 2 Kings 3:34; Job 2:10: Psalm 4:10, 15:7, 22:6, 39:13, 149:5, Isa. 53:5d: Jeremiah 48:15; Ezekiel 32:8.
See! I proved you were wrong!
So, are you now going to read each and everyone of those verses? I could have added more, just to overwhelm you with verses. In fact, to my knowledge, only one of those verses apply to animal sacrifices. Although I suppose random chance might have hit on another. I made up the addresses, hoping no one will take the time to check them out. By actually posting the verses, as I do below, it saves you and the other readers the time of having to look each address up to see if it means anything, or not. And how out of context or not it is.
So, do you want to guess which one in that long list of addresses is correct? Look them all up? Or, I could just do what forum etiquette says, and copy and paste, or even type out the actual verses we are discussing.
" Then Samuel said,[FONT="][FONT="]“Does the Lord take pleasure in burnt offerings and sacrifices
as much as he does in obedience?
Certainly, obedience is better than sacrifice;
paying attention is better than the fat of rams." 1 Sam. 15:22
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Now this verse really summarizes the importance of sacrifices in the OT. And Saul was deposed as king, and his line wiped out, because he did not obey God. Now, surely if sacrifices were required, God would have set aside the rule about only the priest sacrificing. Instead, he pointed out the important principle that God looks at our heart, and the sacrifice is not only irrelevant, but soon to be replaced by Jesus (Ok, maybe in 1000 years - call it foreshadowing)
"After He says above, You did not want or delight in sacrifices and offerings, whole burnt offerings and sin offerings (which are offered according to the law), 9 He then says, See, I have come to do Your will. He takes away the first to establish the second. 10 By this will of God, we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once and for all.[FONT="]11 Every priest stands day after day ministering and offering the same sacrifices time after time, which can never take away sins. 12But this man, after offering one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God. 13 He is now waiting until His enemies are made His footstool. 14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are sanctified. 15 The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. For after He says:[/FONT]
[FONT="][FONT="]16 This is the covenant I will make with them
after those days, says the Lord:
I will put My laws on their hearts
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[FONT="]17 He adds:[/FONT]
[FONT="][FONT="]I will never again remember
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[FONT="]18 Now where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer an offering for sin." Hebrews 10:8-18[/FONT]
Over and over, the writer of Hebrews says NO LONGER AN OFFERING FOR SIN, and "AFTER OFFERING ONE SACRIFICE FOR SINS FOREVER," and "HE TAKES AWAY THE FIRST, TO ESTABLISH THE SECOND (Covenant).
The Torah, the ritual ceremonies the sacrifice is over! Jesus took their place! They were only meant to foreshadow Jesus. In connection with this, back to Hebrews 8:13
" In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away." Hebrews 8:13 ESV
" By saying, a new covenant, He has declared that the first is old. And what is old and aging is about to disappear." Hebrews 8:13 HCSB
"In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away." Hebrews 8:13 KJV
"When he speaks of a new covenant, he makes the first obsolete. Now what is growing obsolete and aging is about to disappear." Hebrews 8:13 NET
"By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete;and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear." Hebrews 8:13 NIV[FONT="]
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It doesn't matter which translation you look at - the Old Covenant is obsolete, and vanishing: old and age, about to disappear, GONE, GONE, GONE!
You are re-crucifying Jesus, and/or discounting what he did on the cross, to say that we will ever need land based animal sacrifices. The promises in the OT were revoked because they were conditional on the obedience of Israel. The NT is clear, we are all one body.
"For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt." Hebrews 6:4-6
This combination "worst of dispensationalism/Hebrew Roots" is so far from the Biblical picture, of Jesus!!
" She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus,[FONT="] because he will save his people from their sins.” Matt 1:21
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The whole purpose of animal sacrifice was to pay for sins! Now we have Jesus who paid it all!
"In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace," Eph. 1:7
"Knowing that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold, but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot." 1 Peter 1:18-19
"He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed." 1 Peter 2:24
"Who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works." Titus 2:14
"Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree" Gal. 3:13
"Who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time." 1Tim. 2:6
"He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world." 1 John 2:2
"Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God." Romans 5:9
"Who gave himself for our sins to deliver us from the present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father," Gal. 1:4
"He entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption." Hebrews 9:12
I'll close with a long excerpt from Hebrews 9, which details the purpose of the sacrifice, and the change
[FONT=Corbel, Verdana, sans-serif]"[/FONT]So with these things prepared like this, the priests enter continually into the outer tent as they perform their duties. 7 But only the high priest enters once a year into the inner tent, and not without blood that he offers for himself and for the sins of the people committed in ignorance. 8 The Holy Spirit is making clear that the way into the holy place had not yet appeared as long as the old tabernacle was standing. 9 This was a symbol for the time then present, when gifts and sacrifices were offered that could not perfect the conscience of the worshiper. 10 They served only for matters of food and drink and various washings; they are external regulations imposed until the new order came.
[FONT="]But now Christ has come as the high priest of the good things to come. He passed through the greater and more perfect tent not made with hands, that is, not of this creation, 12and he entered once for all into the most holy place not by the blood of goats and calves but by his own blood, and so he himself secured eternal redemption. 13 For if the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a young cow sprinkled on those who are defiled consecrated them and provided ritual purity, 14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our consciences from dead works to worship the living God.
15 And so he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the eternal inheritance he has promised, since he died to set them free from the violations committed under the first covenant. 16 For where there is a will, the death of the one who made it must be proven. 17 For a will takes effect only at death, since it carries no force while the one who made it is alive. 18 So even the first covenant was inaugurated with blood. 19 For when Moses had spoken every command to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and goats with water and scarlet wool and hyssop and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people, 20 and said, “This is the blood of the covenant that God has commanded you to keep."
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[FONT="] And in the same way he sprinkled with the blood both the tent and all the vessels used in worship. 22 Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.[/FONT]
23 Thus it was necessary for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these rites, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.24 For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf.25 Nor was it to offer himself repeatedly, as the high priest enters the holy places every year with blood not his own, 26 for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, 28 so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him." Hebrews 9:6-28
This passage clearly lays out the purpose of the Old Covenant, and that Christ is a better offering, a better covenant, a better sacrifice! Because, as Hebrews 8:13 points out, when Christ did this, he made the Old Covenant OBSOLETE! It vanished! Replaced by a better covenant.
So, I hope you see why I am not going to look up every address you post. If you really cared, you would post them yourself, instead of coming on here with rapid machine gun fire of addresses, that most of us will not bother to look at. If you have any point at all, then I want to read the verse, and in context.
Of course, you do NOT have a point. No Torah, no animals sacrifices needed. Jesus died once for all! "It is finished!"
