ANIMAL SACRIFICES to resume FOR US in the future!

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Ok got a question . You said how can you say this then promote the idea of animal sacrifice?
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Blessings
Bill

Bingo! The concept missed.

 

[Depleted]

I see your point...but not persuaded yet.

I mean, the impacts of a massive EMP could render electronics (and everything they power) largely obsolete.

And future EMP events (man-made or solar-induced or the result of some other possible yet-unforseen-but-prophsied SIGNS in the sky) could be what sets us back to conventional technology.

Just saying it's possible.

And since we don't really know how to evaluate the probabilities of such things, it follows that we can not use modern technology as an argument for the improbability of Zec. 14 (or other similar passages) being yet future.

regards...

Also, not true. While an EMP can destroy electronics, it will not make electronics obsolete. It would make us need to make new electronics and a new grid for the electricity.

This may sound unrelated to the subject matter. But it's very related. You also seem to think Jesus' sacrifice will become "obsolete" some time in the future. Noper! He's not electronics. He's not electricity. He is God! No one undoes what he does, and he already gave the ULTIMATE sacrifice, so it will never be undone.

You're preaching a lesser-than-God god, where Man has to make good on his own salvation. Again, if Man saves himself, he was never in danger of being unsaved to need to be saved. What you preach is anti-God, anti-Bible.

 

[PennEd]

ANIMAL SACRIFICES to resume FOR US in the future!

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Ya know, I'm onboard with Roger's perspective on this issue, but I bypassed the great point you make here on the thread title. Thanks.

I think virtually everyone agrees that animal sacrifices can NEVER be FOR US.

I venture to say that is very dangerous waters to tread in, and comes way too close to Hebrews 10 offense.

 

[Depleted]

Ok...but remember, it did not yet pass away. It merely entered a state of being only partially observable due to our diaspora the past roughly 2000 years. But when we return, it will again be 100% observable and observed (Dt. 30:1-8).

Heb 8:13 merely says it is READY to pass away (which means it did not yet pass away).

Jesus might agree that heaven and earth won't pass away until everything in the law is fulfilled (Mt. 5), but Dt. 30:1-8 is not yet fulfilled. Therefore, Torah of the Old Covenant has not passed away.

regards...

So you think the Bible is about "we?" (I enlarged the part of what you said to show you were I got that.)

Yeah, that's the problem. You think the Bible is about WE, and WE is the abler. Very much the problem. God has left the center of your theology to be replaced by man. That's not THEOlogy, given "Theo" means God.

Stop thinking the Bible is a book about you and realize it's a book about God.

 

[Depleted]

Hmmm....problem is that your "clueless" claim remains unjustified.

After all, you have virtually no understanding of the full breadth and depth of my noetic structure, its inter-related justifying functions, or its overall scope, or its explanatory power, or its logical structure, or the justification for the logic employed.

So go ahead and resort to a "works a lot faster and cuts to the chase" methodology, if that's what you really need...

But that only exposes your lack of justification.

And, I think you could be a bit more kind (kinder?) if you really wanted to be.

And rather than pretend that you know I'm clueless....why not try to be friendly and share truths with me that you think I need to learn?

Furthermore, when did you engage the detailed justification for the position I set forth?

Or do you merely resort to "clueless" whenever you're unable to do so?

Yikes!

That's not a very diligent truth-seeking attitude...

Don't expect to discover truths that you're not willing to seek and find.

regards...

Soooo, you suddenly don't want to teach me where I'm wrong in my beliefs about teddy bears? OR could it be the same problem I have with your "teaching?" It's so utterly ridiculous there is no where to begin refuting it, and no particular angle of digging into it at any level to have an agreeable moment to start with?

After all, I did exactly what you did. I gave a premise, backed it up with history, and concluded with the same premise I started with.

"Don't expect to discover truths that you're not willing to seek and find."

Not a person on here hasn't told you something about where you're wrong, and yet... how is it going toward proving it to you? As I read this, all your doing is
-- Hi.
-- Disagree.
-- Pithy Christianese ending.
-- Next.

So much for seeking and finding.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The blood of bulls and goats NEVER took away sin, NEVER will. End of story.

 

[PlainWord]

Hello friends,

It appears we have a dozen Scripturally-grounded reasons which jointly confirm that animal sacrifices will (in the future) be resumed in conjunction with the full restoration of Priestly/Levitical duties. And, we will participate in these activities as fellow Israelite participants in the covenants between God and Israel. Most of us Christians are unaware of our future destiny in Israel; I hope this thread begins (in at least some small way) the process of correcting this unfortunate circumstance.

1. A. Dt. 30:1-8 is not yet fulfilled.
B. Dt. 30:1-8 guarantees the restoration of priestly/Levitical/sacrificial Torah-obedience.
C. Priestly/Levitical/sacrificial Torah-obedience will occur in the future.

2. A. Eze. 40-47 is not yet fulfilled.
B. Eze. 40-47 guarantees the restoration of priestly/Levitical/sacrificial activity.
C. Priestly/Levitical/sacrificial activity will occur in the future.

3. A. Jer. 33:20-22 is not yet fulfilled.
B. Jer. 33:20-22 guarantees the restoration of priestly/Levitical/sacrificial Torah-obedience.
C. Priestly/Levitical/sacrificial Torah-obedience will occur in the future.

4. A. Zec. 14 guarantees future GLOBAL participation in the sacrifice-laden feast of Sukkot (with punishment upon the nations who do not participate).
B. Therefore, global participation in sacrifice-laden feasts will occur in the future, and it will be required, and it will be good to obey, and it will be bad to disobey.

5. A. Mal. 3:1-4 guarantees that the Messiah will RESTORE the covenant with Levi, complete with sacrifices to be offered again in the future.
B. We should not oppose what the Messiah will come to restore in the forthcoming kingdom rule.

6. A. Is. 66 guarantees future restoration of Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activities associated with new moon and Sabbath observance.
B. We should not oppose what Isaiah guarantees will occur in the future.

7.A. The Old Covenant is READY (Gr. "engoos", Heb. 8:13) to disappear.
B. That which is ready to disappear has NOT yet disappeared (from the meaning of "engoos").
C. The Old Covenant was still in force (as of the New-Covenant-era time of the writing of Hebrews) (from B).
D. The inauguration of the New Covenant does NOT entail termination of the Old Covenant (from C).
E. Old Covenant Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activities are good and proper to persist into the New Covenant era (from D).

8. A. Many New-Covenant-era priests were disciples of the Messiah (Ac. 6:7).
B. Priests perform sacrificial/priestly/Levitical duties.
C. Priestly sacrificial/Levitical duties are acceptable in the New-Covenant-era (from A and B).

9. A. Thousands of first-century disciples were zealous for Torah (Ac. 21:20).
B. Torah-obedience requires sacrificial/priestly/Levitical duties (when performed properly).
C. Thousands of first-century disciples were zealous for Torah-obedient sacrificial/priestly/Levitical activity.
D. These disciples encouraged Paul (and Paul agreed!) to condone a vow (evidently the sacrifice-laden Nazirite vow) for the purpose of publicly affirming that Paul likewise walked orderly according to the Torah.
E. Sacrifices are, thus, affirmed as a valid ongoing New-Covenant-era practice.


10. A. Sabbath Torah is (present tense!) a shadow of the substance in Christ (Col. 2:16-17).
B. Col. 2 was written after the inauguration of the New-Covenant era.
C. Col. 2 is, thus, evidence that Sabbath Torah (which, of course, includes associated sacrificial activity when properly performed) is an ONGOING FUNCTIONING SHADOW which CONTINUES to point to the substance in Christ.

11. A. Christians are included as fellow Israelites who partake in the Torah-laden covenants between YHVH and Israel (Eph. 2).
B. The covenants (Abrahamic, Mosaic, Davidic, and New) are all still in force, and we Christians partake in these covenants (plural! Eph. 2:12).
C. The covenants entail Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activity when properly performed.
D. Thus, we Christians should condone the proper restoration and participation in the Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activities associated with the Torah-laden covenants in which we participate.

12. A. Israelites will again participate in Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activity when they return from ALL the countries to which they have been scattered (Eze. 20:30-44).
B. This return has not yet occurred.
C. Animal sacrifices will occur in the future (from A and B).
D. We Christians are included as fellow Israelite participants in the covenants between YHVH and Israel (e.g., Jer. 31).
E. Thus, we are Israelites who will participate in the restoration of animal sacrifices in the future.


CONCLUSION: We appear to have a dozen (I could list many more!) Scripturally-grounded lines of reasoning which jointly confirm that Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activity is good and proper and forthcoming.

Yes, sin offerings point to the Lamb of God (Jesus) who is the ultimate sin-offering on our behalf. But this is no excuse to terminate the ONGOING SHADOW FUNCTION authorized by Scripture, affirmed by Scripture, and guaranteed (in Scripture) to properly occur in the future, just as it also properly occurred even AFTER the inauguration of the New Covenant in the first century.

Then again, maybe I'm wrong on all 12 arguments. I'm open to correction from any better-justified viewpoint.

If you agree with my 12 arguments, please let me know, because that would be encouraging to me.

If you disagree, please help me understand:
1. Which specific premise(s) in my 12 arguments do you reject (and why)?
2. Which Scriptural passage do you believe disconfirms my position (and why)?

Let's study and learn together, growing in love and grace and knowledge in our Lord Jesus Christ.

blessings to you all...


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Perhaps study history in addition to the Bible if you want to learn that all these things have taken place.

 

[Depleted]

Rosemary, for fear you will buy into what he is saying only (since he's not listening to anyone but himself)....

Hey there!

Well, I won't pretend to know all of God's reasons.

But I suspect the ongoing SHADOW FUNCTION of the law (Col. 2:17) is a big reason.

That is, the sacrifices continuously remind us of the need for the ultimate sacrifice which was, of course, Jesus.

But sacrifices have other benefits...for example, it looks like Paul condoned a sacrifice-laden Nazirite vow (Ac. 21) for the purpose of making a public declaration that he walked orderly in accordance with all Torah. So, the benefit, here, is that the sacrificial vow enabled Paul to make a very strong public declaration. So that's another benefit.

I'm sure there are plenty of other good reasons too.

blessings....

Here's Col. 2:17 in context.

[FONT=&quot]13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins,[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]14 having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]15 And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.[/FONT]
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16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you. Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]19 They have lost connection with the head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.[/FONT]

So please don't think there is a "SHADOW FUNCTION of the Law." The shadow is that we aren't able to totally see what the Lord is doing, and yet we see it is him doing it.

Add to that, please note the verses about how to handle people who go into great detail of what they have seen and yet are falsely humble.

The very verse he hid to validate himself, when taken in context, cancels the validation. Like I said, I don't expect him to see this. Just didn't want you to fall for it.

 

[Rosemaryx]

Rosemary, for fear you will buy into what he is saying only (since he's not listening to anyone but himself)....


Here's Col. 2:17 in context.

13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins,14 having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross.15 And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.

16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you. Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind.19 They have lost connection with the head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.

So please don't think there is a "SHADOW FUNCTION of the Law." The shadow is that we aren't able to totally see what the Lord is doing, and yet we see it is him doing it.

Add to that, please note the verses about how to handle people who go into great detail of what they have seen and yet are falsely humble.

The very verse he hid to validate himself, when taken in context, cancels the validation. Like I said, I don't expect him to see this. Just didn't want you to fall for it.

Lynn...I aint buying into nothing , my LORD Jesus Christ paid the most ultimate price for me , and that is all I need , His blood on me , saved by Him , I do not understand anyone seeking for anymore than what Jesus has already done , it s finished thanks be to God...

I wanted to know why this was brought up , I have never heard of anyone say there is going to be a need for more animal sacrifices , that is why I asked...Maybe it is something I have yet to come across in the bible , I am still in need of learning much , and this just confused me...xox...

 

[Angela53510]

Lynn...I aint buying into nothing , my LORD Jesus Christ paid the most ultimate price for me , and that is all I need , His blood on me , saved by Him , I do not understand anyone seeking for anymore than what Jesus has already done , it s finished thanks be to God...

I wanted to know why this was brought up , I have never heard of anyone say there is going to be a need for more animal sacrifices , that is why I asked...Maybe it is something I have yet to come across in the bible , I am still in need of learning much , and this just confused me...xox...

Rosemary, the only thing the Bible says about animal sacrifices in the NT is that they are obsolete and done away with. Read all of the book of Hebrews, especially chapter 10.

“For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.” Hebrews 10:4

“When he said above, “You have neither desired nor taken pleasure in sacrifices and offerings and burnt offerings and sin offerings” (these are offered according to the law), 9 then he added, “Behold, I have come to do your will.” He does away with the first in order to establish the second. 10 And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.” Hebrews 10:8-10. [FONT=&quot]

We only need Jesus Christ in our lives. This OP is so far from the truth of the Bible, it is ridiculous. But read all of Hebrews, in a modern version so you can understand it. You will see the truth of who Jesus is, and how he is all we need, and there will be no more animal sacrifices!

God bless![/FONT]

 

[Nehemiah6]

...and yes, i missed whatever verse it is where the temple in his vision was commanded to be built - do you know where it is?

Not "commanded" to be built but "prophesied" to be built as an eternal sanctuary, tabernacle, and temple. Please note (Ezek 37:25-28):

25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.

27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

28 And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.

When you look at just this small passage, it is an amazing prophecy. So how could there be a suitable temple in Jerusalem unless Israel was first regathered, redeemed, restored, and established by Christ Himself? As to who will build that temple, we are not told, but that there will be a future literal temple in Jerusalem which will be totally acceptable to God cannot be doubted for a second.

 

[Nehemiah6]

This OP is so far from the truth of the Bible, it is ridiculous.

It is ridiculous in identifying the Church with Israel. Other than that it is providing the prophecies which have yet to be fulfilled.

...and there will be no more animal sacrifices!

Whether we understand the significance of this or not, there is no question that there will be animal sacrifices in a future redeemed and restored Israel. As to how God will reconcile that with the one great sacrifice of Christ is something best left to Him.

And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel. (Ezek 45:17).

 

[Depleted]

Not "commanded" to be built but "prophesied" to be built as an eternal sanctuary, tabernacle, and temple. Please note (Ezek 37:25-28):

25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.

27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

28 And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.

When you look at just this small passage, it is an amazing prophecy. So how could there be a suitable temple in Jerusalem unless Israel was first regathered, redeemed, restored, and established by Christ Himself? As to who will build that temple, we are not told, but that there will be a future literal temple in Jerusalem which will be totally acceptable to God cannot be doubted for a second.

Here is the new temple:
John 2:[FONT=&quot]18 So the Jews said to him, “What sign do you show us for doing these things?”[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]20 The Jews then said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?”[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]21 But he was speaking about the temple of his body.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]22 When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this, and they believed the Scripture and the word that Jesus had spoken.[/FONT]

Built 2000 years ago and still standing! Always standing. Eternally standing!

 

[Rosemaryx]

Rosemary, the only thing the Bible says about animal sacrifices in the NT is that they are obsolete and done away with. Read all of the book of Hebrews, especially chapter 10.

“For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.” Hebrews 10:4

“When he said above, “You have neither desired nor taken pleasure in sacrifices and offerings and burnt offerings and sin offerings” (these are offered according to the law), 9 then he added, “Behold, I have come to do your will.” He does away with the first in order to establish the second. 10 And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.” Hebrews 10:8-10.

We only need Jesus Christ in our lives. This OP is so far from the truth of the Bible, it is ridiculous. But read all of Hebrews, in a modern version so you can understand it. You will see the truth of who Jesus is, and how he is all we need, and there will be no more animal sacrifices!

God bless!

Thank you Angela , this s Scripture as you have shown it...And if I am correct ( please correct me if I am wrong ) Hebrews 6:4 is a warning to those who had heard of the good news but kept going back to sacrifice animals when Jesus was the sacrifice...
[FONT=&quot]4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]6 if they fall away,[b] to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame...xox...[/FONT]

 

[Nehemiah6]

Here is the new temple:
John 2:18 So the Jews said to him, “What sign do you show us for doing these things?”19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”20 The Jews then said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?”21 But he was speaking about the temple of his body.22 When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this, and they believed the Scripture and the word that Jesus had spoken.

Built 2000 years ago and still standing! Always standing. Eternally standing!

And here's a good example of taking Scripture out of context and then misapplying it. The passage quoted indicates that Christ called His own body a metaphorical temple and that He would rise again the third day. Following Pentecost, every person who has the indwelling Holy Spirit also becomes a metaphorical temple of the Spirit, thus the Church itself becomes the Building of God, and every believer becomes a "living stone". These are all metaphorical and spiritual applications of "temple".

But when we come to the prophecy of Ezekiel there is NOTHING METAPHORICAL about that future temple to be built in Jerusalem. So why are Christians so determined to dismiss or negate what God has promised for a redeemed and restored Israel? The only logical answer is jealousy. But God has a perfect plan for BOTH the Church and redeemed Israel, and Christians should rejoice in this fact. God made covenants with Abraham and David, and those covenants will be TOTALLY fulfilled in the future. And God will reconcile any anomalies which we perceive so that all will become clear in the future.

 

[Dan_473]

Hello friends,

It appears we have a dozen Scripturally-grounded reasons which jointly confirm that animal sacrifices will (in the future) be resumed in conjunction with the full restoration of Priestly/Levitical duties. And, we will participate in these activities as fellow Israelite participants in the covenants between God and Israel. Most of us Christians are unaware of our future destiny in Israel; I hope this thread begins (in at least some small way) the process of correcting this unfortunate circumstance.

1. A. Dt. 30:1-8 is not yet fulfilled.
B. Dt. 30:1-8 guarantees the restoration of priestly/Levitical/sacrificial Torah-obedience.
C. Priestly/Levitical/sacrificial Torah-obedience will occur in the future.

2. A. Eze. 40-47 is not yet fulfilled.
B. Eze. 40-47 guarantees the restoration of priestly/Levitical/sacrificial activity.
C. Priestly/Levitical/sacrificial activity will occur in the future.

3. A. Jer. 33:20-22 is not yet fulfilled.
B. Jer. 33:20-22 guarantees the restoration of priestly/Levitical/sacrificial Torah-obedience.
C. Priestly/Levitical/sacrificial Torah-obedience will occur in the future.

4. A. Zec. 14 guarantees future GLOBAL participation in the sacrifice-laden feast of Sukkot (with punishment upon the nations who do not participate).
B. Therefore, global participation in sacrifice-laden feasts will occur in the future, and it will be required, and it will be good to obey, and it will be bad to disobey.

5. A. Mal. 3:1-4 guarantees that the Messiah will RESTORE the covenant with Levi, complete with sacrifices to be offered again in the future.
B. We should not oppose what the Messiah will come to restore in the forthcoming kingdom rule.

6. A. Is. 66 guarantees future restoration of Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activities associated with new moon and Sabbath observance.
B. We should not oppose what Isaiah guarantees will occur in the future.

7.A. The Old Covenant is READY (Gr. "engoos", Heb. 8:13) to disappear.
B. That which is ready to disappear has NOT yet disappeared (from the meaning of "engoos").
C. The Old Covenant was still in force (as of the New-Covenant-era time of the writing of Hebrews) (from B).
D. The inauguration of the New Covenant does NOT entail termination of the Old Covenant (from C).
E. Old Covenant Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activities are good and proper to persist into the New Covenant era (from D).

8. A. Many New-Covenant-era priests were disciples of the Messiah (Ac. 6:7).
B. Priests perform sacrificial/priestly/Levitical duties.
C. Priestly sacrificial/Levitical duties are acceptable in the New-Covenant-era (from A and B).

9. A. Thousands of first-century disciples were zealous for Torah (Ac. 21:20).
B. Torah-obedience requires sacrificial/priestly/Levitical duties (when performed properly).
C. Thousands of first-century disciples were zealous for Torah-obedient sacrificial/priestly/Levitical activity.
D. These disciples encouraged Paul (and Paul agreed!) to condone a vow (evidently the sacrifice-laden Nazirite vow) for the purpose of publicly affirming that Paul likewise walked orderly according to the Torah.
E. Sacrifices are, thus, affirmed as a valid ongoing New-Covenant-era practice.


10. A. Sabbath Torah is (present tense!) a shadow of the substance in Christ (Col. 2:16-17).
B. Col. 2 was written after the inauguration of the New-Covenant era.
C. Col. 2 is, thus, evidence that Sabbath Torah (which, of course, includes associated sacrificial activity when properly performed) is an ONGOING FUNCTIONING SHADOW which CONTINUES to point to the substance in Christ.

11. A. Christians are included as fellow Israelites who partake in the Torah-laden covenants between YHVH and Israel (Eph. 2).
B. The covenants (Abrahamic, Mosaic, Davidic, and New) are all still in force, and we Christians partake in these covenants (plural! Eph. 2:12).
C. The covenants entail Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activity when properly performed.
D. Thus, we Christians should condone the proper restoration and participation in the Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activities associated with the Torah-laden covenants in which we participate.

12. A. Israelites will again participate in Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activity when they return from ALL the countries to which they have been scattered (Eze. 20:30-44).
B. This return has not yet occurred.
C. Animal sacrifices will occur in the future (from A and B).
D. We Christians are included as fellow Israelite participants in the covenants between YHVH and Israel (e.g., Jer. 31).
E. Thus, we are Israelites who will participate in the restoration of animal sacrifices in the future.


CONCLUSION: We appear to have a dozen (I could list many more!) Scripturally-grounded lines of reasoning which jointly confirm that Levitical/priestly/sacrificial activity is good and proper and forthcoming.

Yes, sin offerings point to the Lamb of God (Jesus) who is the ultimate sin-offering on our behalf. But this is no excuse to terminate the ONGOING SHADOW FUNCTION authorized by Scripture, affirmed by Scripture, and guaranteed (in Scripture) to properly occur in the future, just as it also properly occurred even AFTER the inauguration of the New Covenant in the first century.

Then again, maybe I'm wrong on all 12 arguments. I'm open to correction from any better-justified viewpoint.

If you agree with my 12 arguments, please let me know, because that would be encouraging to me.

If you disagree, please help me understand:
1. Which specific premise(s) in my 12 arguments do you reject (and why)?
2. Which Scriptural passage do you believe disconfirms my position (and why)?

Let's study and learn together, growing in love and grace and knowledge in our Lord Jesus Christ.

blessings to you all...


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prophecy doesn't always happen I the order it's written

so i say walk by the spirit
and see what happens

 

[Ahwatukee]

Here is the new temple:
John 2:18 So the Jews said to him, “What sign do you show us for doing these things?”19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”20 The Jews then said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?”21 But he was speaking about the temple of his body.22 When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this, and they believed the Scripture and the word that Jesus had spoken.

Built 2000 years ago and still standing! Always standing. Eternally standing!

Hello Depleted,

Though the scripture you provided here is obviously speaking figuratively of Jesus' body as the temple, we cannot apply the same meaning to every where the word temple appears. The context must determine whether it is speaking symbolically or literally. That said, those scriptures that Nehemiah6 provided are speaking of the literal temple. For there is nothing in the context that would alert the reader to apply a symbolic meaning.

 

[dcontroversal]

1st Corinthians 15:46 and on is concerning ADAM and Christ, the comparison between flesh and spirit and culminates with the contrast between the physical body of flesh and the resurrected celestial body of power....

It is....

a. Ridiculous to apply it to the physical/spiritual things of Israel
b. Goes way beyond the context to apply it to the physical/spiritual things of Israel

 

[Ariel82]

Not gonna happen - your theology is wrong.

Might happen during the reign of an AntiChrist

Lots of folks will swallow unhook line and sinker

 

[Locutus]

Labeling makes it easier to explain who people are. Would you have preferred 20 paragraphs on what Armstrongites believe, or just the word "Armstrongite?"

And you just labeled him a labeler, so don't you label too?

I have never understood this modern "negative" on labeling.

Personally, I think it is ridiculous to argue over eschatology as if eschatology IS the message, but, I'd rather have a pithy word like "Armstrongite" then 20 paragraphs against a particular End Times guess. Especially since every eschatology-arguer (another label) is going to turn this thread into another argument for personal belief.

Lynn - I don't worry over the fiery darts from Lucyfer...