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"Failed experiments by God as a helper " But yes I believe that's how Genesis reads. God made these animals, he found they didn't help the man as much as God might have thought they might have,, so God decides to create a woman. That raises interesting issues about how man was to procreate without women but we wont' discuss that here. I do believe animals were created to help and assist the man to subdue the earth but they couldn't meet man's emotional and physical needs, of course when the fall occurred the animals rebelled and fell against God too by default. That's why you sometimes see animals having anal sex I suppose with the same gender kind, and why animals may be possessed by demonic spirits and serve the cause of satan.
 
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sheep baaaaa
 
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"Failed experiments by God as a helper " But yes I believe that's how Genesis reads. God made these animals, he found they didn't help the man as much as God might have thought they might have,, so God decides to create a woman. That raises interesting issues about how man was to procreate without women but we wont' discuss that here. I do believe animals were created to help and assist the man to subdue the earth but they couldn't meet man's emotional and physical needs, of course when the fall occurred the animals rebelled and fell against God too by default. That's why you sometimes see animals having anal sex I suppose with the same gender kind, and why animals may be possessed by demonic spirits and serve the cause of satan.
Interesting points but I still would not label it as a "failed experiment", the difficulty is that we know God is perfect in every sense, so how could He make something when He already knows what the outcome will be..as He is all knowing.

That raises interesting issues about how man was to procreate without women but we wont' discuss that here.
now this is a real "heavy" subject, if it is what I have heard. At first it blew my mind and I outright rejected the thought, but the more I thought about it the more it actually made sense!..but a gigantic pill to swallow I must say!
 
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Interesting points but I still would not label it as a "failed experiment", the difficulty is that we know God is perfect in every sense, so how could He make something when He already knows what the outcome will be..as He is all knowing.
That question is asked on many levels such as why did God create man in the first place if He knew man would fail?, and no one knows the answer to that except God. In essence the whole of human race became a failed experiment after it fell. I use the term failed experiment to think of God as a scientist and Eden His laboratory. We could also think of Noah's flood as God cleaning up the mess of His failed experiment. But some would say that it wasn't a failure but part of God's intended plan all along to let or make Adam/Eve fail. Since I believe that God tempts no one with evil, I cannot accept the view that it was God's plan all along. This obviously blows ones mind when they think about God's foreknowledge versus His predestination as we cannot fathom how God who is outside of time, can also be limited by time. Or how a perfect God , can have failed experiments (or outcomes rather) at all!

When we read the book of Genesis from beginning to end, in my mind it does give that impression that God creating the woman for man was an after-thought. I said "failed experiment in giving Adam a helper". Not that the animals were failed or imperfect themself. But it does give the impression that animals were not found to be suitable (implying that God's original intention was to use animals, (and I'm still not talking about procreation )), so God decides to make a woman.

Also, the whole language of Genesis about God "seeing that it was good", makes one think that the whole creation process was a test chamber in which the resultant outcome could have been "it was bad". If God always made everything perfect why would God need to approve Himself by saying it was good? Reading Genesis, it seems that as God goes along creating each thing in sequence, He pauses to reflect and evaluate the outcome, and concludes "it is good", before going to the next step in creation.

It raises questions about whether God knew what He was doing with absolute surity of the outcome as is often assumed, from beginning to end of the 7 day creation. Or whether it was a step by step process in which there was some possibility of failure in the outcome. I might be so bold as to say, that if God had not taken His time, 6 days, to create everything, but decided to do everthing in one "big bang" (pardon the pun) in a split second, the outcome may not have been successful. Much like putting steak, vegetables and fruit and icecream in a blender and pouring it into a bowl doesn't give you a properly made three course meal.
 
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The horsemen in Rev is what i thought you were alluding to Grey. I'm not going to tell you that Christ won't come on a white horse literally, that wasn't my point. My point was the horses are all described to have been ridden before the new heaven and earth...the four forsemen, are during the tribulation, and christ comes at the end of that and thus begins his thousand year reign. The old earth still exists during the thousand years. So, Grey, it doesnt say that there will be horses in the new heavens and earth.
 
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.....I'm not going to tell you that Christ won't come on a white horse literally, that wasn't my point. My point was the horses are all described to have been ridden before the new heaven and earth...the four forsemen, are during the tribulation, and christ comes at the end of that and thus begins his thousand year reign. The old earth still exists during the thousand years. So, Grey, it doesnt say that there will be horses in the new heavens and earth.
if Jesus returns riding a horse, where did He get the horse from?
 
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Technically I think the reference to Jesus riding horses is a symbol of His authority and power and victory. Which in reality is the same thing as the saint's victory over the world and not loving their lives unto death. If we take it to be literal we also have to believe that Jesus lliterally has a literal sword coming out of His mouth only 5 verses later in Rev 19 which doesn't really make sense. Coloured horses in a prophetic book such as Revelation is always symbolic. The white horse is all about the final triumph of the church over the false prophet and the beast. Sorry, but if you're pre-trib rapture believer none of that will make sense to you. If the bible was written today it would probably say Jesus comes riding in a white tank or a white apache gunship. But if there's animals on the new earth there should be horses I would think as it's one of the most featured animals in the bible.


If we take it too literally we miss the whole point and purpose of Revelation. We can't read one verse literally and then read the next verse symbolically it's either one or the other for the whole passage. The reason why Revelation was written was basically to comfort the persecuted church. The references to Christ being portrayed as warring against His enemies is very much symbolic of the saints victory over the world and their persecutors through their overcoming to remain faithful to God even in intense persecution and death. I believe this is the "sword" which proceeds out of the "mouth of Christ" and strikes the nations. They overcome by the word of their testimony and the Word of God (Rev 12:11).
 
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